Pushed in dust caps

[RJH[_4_]]

While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:

http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes

They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:

https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz

The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.

They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
grilles.

I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
wondering what the thinking was on making this good.

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Cheers, Rob

[Don Pearce[_3_]]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:19:28 +0000, RJH > wrote:

>While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>
>http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>
>They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>
>https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>
>The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>
>They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
>grilles.
>
>I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>wondering what the thinking was on making this good.

Have you tried a piece of tube the same size, and sucking?

d

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[RJH[_4_]]

On 16/11/2016 20:36, Don Pearce wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:19:28 +0000, RJH > wrote:
>
>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>>
>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>
>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>
>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>>
>> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
>> grilles.
>>
>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>
> Have you tried a piece of tube the same size, and sucking?
>

The thought had occurred as one of the least invasive options. Unless I
lashed up some sort of cone device I think, amazingly, that my mouth
wouldn't be big enough (!). Also, would there be enough seal?

And thanks to Johan who emailed the pin trick - I'd like to try
something that doesn't damage the cones first. Although it does look as
though it's creased, so back to original is looking unlikely.

I've also seen a cut cotton bud and super glue on youtube.

Any idea what might replace the sticky laquer? I have written to ATC for
advice.

The seller has agreed to help sort it, which is a start.


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Cheers, Rob

[[email protected]]

On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 20:49:45 +0000, RJH > wrote:

>On 16/11/2016 20:36, Don Pearce wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Nov 2016 18:19:28 +0000, RJH > wrote:
>>
>>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>>> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>>>
>>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>>
>>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>>
>>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>>> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>>>
>>> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
>>> grilles.
>>>
>>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>>
>> Have you tried a piece of tube the same size, and sucking?
>>
>
>The thought had occurred as one of the least invasive options. Unless I
>lashed up some sort of cone device I think, amazingly, that my mouth
>wouldn't be big enough (!). Also, would there be enough seal?
>
>And thanks to Johan who emailed the pin trick - I'd like to try
>something that doesn't damage the cones first. Although it does look as
>though it's creased, so back to original is looking unlikely.
One of the things that worked for me on my Audio Note hemp dustcaps (I
believe they are stiffer than the non-hemp variety) is some strong
masking tape (here in the US, it is blue masking tape, don't know
about the UK). It took a few tries but it ended up working fine as I
didn't want to do the pin trick either.
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[Phil Allison[_3_]]

RJH wrote:
> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>
> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>
> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>
> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>
> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>
> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
> grilles.
>
> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>
> --


** A sewing needle usually does the job.

Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the needle over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.


..... Phil

[Johan Helsingius]

On 17-11-16 07:32, Phil Allison wrote:

> ** A sewing needle usually does the job.

That was pretty much my advice too - intended to post it,
but clicked wrong button and replied by email instead.

Julf

[Iain Churches[_2_]]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
> RJH wrote:
>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>>
>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>
>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>
>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>
>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>>
>> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
>> grilles.
>>
>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>>
>> --
>
>
> ** A sewing needle usually does the job.
>
> Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the needle
> over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.


Phil's remedy is a good one.

An alternative, is a small soft-plastic suction cup
(for example the kind used to attach a parking
permit to a car windscreen)

Iain

[Eiron[_3_]]

On 17/11/2016 10:49, Iain Churches wrote:
> "Phil Allison" > wrote in message
> ...
>> RJH wrote:
>>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>>> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>>>
>>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>>
>>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>>
>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>>
>>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>>> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>>>
>>> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this. And no
>>> grilles.
>>>
>>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>>>
>>> --
>>
>>
>> ** A sewing needle usually does the job.
>>
>> Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the needle
>> over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.
>
>
> Phil's remedy is a good one.
>
> An alternative, is a small soft-plastic suction cup
> (for example the kind used to attach a parking
> permit to a car windscreen)

Gentle suction, and improvise something from whatever you find in the house.
For instance I would use a VAX vacuum cleaner on its lowest setting,
with the bypass hole open, and a clarinet, though a kitchen funel would do instead.
Regulate the vacuum with the hand holding the VAX to the funnel.
Or you could just suck. It needs very little force.

--
Eiron.

[Jim Price]

On 17/11/16 11:09, Eiron wrote:
> On 17/11/2016 10:49, Iain Churches wrote:
>> "Phil Allison" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> RJH wrote:
>>>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a pair of
>>>> S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as these:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>>>
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>>>
>>>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with bubble
>>>> wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in during transit.
>>>>
>>>> They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them like this.
>>>> And no
>>>> grilles.
>>>>
>>>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>>>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>> ** A sewing needle usually does the job.
>>>
>>> Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the
>>> needle
>>> over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.
>>
>>
>> Phil's remedy is a good one.
>>
>> An alternative, is a small soft-plastic suction cup
>> (for example the kind used to attach a parking
>> permit to a car windscreen)
>
> Gentle suction, and improvise something from whatever you find in the
> house.
> For instance I would use a VAX vacuum cleaner on its lowest setting,
> with the bypass hole open, and a clarinet, though a kitchen funel would
> do instead.
> Regulate the vacuum with the hand holding the VAX to the funnel.
> Or you could just suck. It needs very little force.

What you need is a self-limiting force - an initial jolt to get the
thing moving, but you don't want it to move further than the position
it's supposed to be in. I'm thinking of something like a cross between a
breast milk pump the shape of the dome and a solder sucker. Once the
dome material reaches the dome shaped breast pump bit, any further
movement has to be somewhere else. Someone on here with loudspeaker
design experience ought to be able to design the parameters of the
solder-sucker bit, but as long as it's a good fit for the dome and the
evacuation hole[s] are small enough that the suction doesn't break the
dome material, a play-it-by-ear solution ought to work.

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[Phil Allison[_3_]]

Iain Churches wrote:

>
> >
> > ** A sewing needle usually does the job.
> >
> > Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the needle
> > over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.
>
>
> Phil's remedy is a good one.
>
> An alternative, is a small soft-plastic suction cup
> (for example the kind used to attach a parking
> permit to a car windscreen)
>
>

** I've seen dust dome made of porous cloth that cannot respond to suction, plus some aluminium or aluminised plastic domes have a deliberate hole in the centre.

The sewing needle trick works withs all of them.


.... Phil

[~misfit~[_2_]]

Once upon a time on usenet Jim Price wrote:
> On 17/11/16 11:09, Eiron wrote:
>> On 17/11/2016 10:49, Iain Churches wrote:
>>> "Phil Allison" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> RJH wrote:
>>>>> While on the theme of questionable upgrades, I've just bought a
>>>>> pair of S/H ATC SCM 19 speakers - an older pair, the same as
>>>>> these:
>>>>> http://www.tmraudio.com/product/atc-scm-19-bookshelf-speakers-cherry-finish-in-factory-boxes
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They arrived with the dust caps pushed in - both:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbLmi
>>>>> https://flic.kr/p/PhbPLz
>>>>>
>>>>> The seller sent them in decent boxes, but packed them solid with
>>>>> bubble wrap. I think the bubble wrap just worked its way in
>>>>> during transit. They work fine - but obviously I'm not happy with them
>>>>> like this.
>>>>> And no
>>>>> grilles.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've contacted the buyer, and I'll see what he says - but I was
>>>>> wondering what the thinking was on making this good.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ** A sewing needle usually does the job.
>>>>
>>>> Just dig the point into the depressed centre of the dome, lean the
>>>> needle
>>>> over and pull back. May need a couple of tries to get it all out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil's remedy is a good one.
>>>
>>> An alternative, is a small soft-plastic suction cup
>>> (for example the kind used to attach a parking
>>> permit to a car windscreen)
>>
>> Gentle suction, and improvise something from whatever you find in the
>> house.
>> For instance I would use a VAX vacuum cleaner on its lowest setting,
>> with the bypass hole open, and a clarinet, though a kitchen funel
>> would do instead.
>> Regulate the vacuum with the hand holding the VAX to the funnel.
>> Or you could just suck. It needs very little force.
>
> What you need is a self-limiting force - an initial jolt to get the
> thing moving, but you don't want it to move further than the position
> it's supposed to be in.

If you're careful that's not an issue as the semi-sphere shape is very
strong - far stronger that the energy needed to suck a dent out (as long as
you're not trying to pull away while sucktion is applied).

> I'm thinking of something like a cross
> between a breast milk pump the shape of the dome and a solder sucker.
> Once the dome material reaches the dome shaped breast pump bit, any
> further movement has to be somewhere else. Someone on here with
> loudspeaker design experience ought to be able to design the
> parameters of the solder-sucker bit, but as long as it's a good fit
> for the dome and the evacuation hole[s] are small enough that the
> suction doesn't break the dome material, a play-it-by-ear solution
> ought to work.

I have used a variable speed vacuum cleaner with a by-pass hole and a cut up
50p plastic funnel attachment to fit in the past with good results (as Eiron
described). I used my thumb over the bypass hole and made sure I wasn't
pulling against the cone's travel or dome's glue.

With the porous fabric ones a neede is the best bet - a felting needle works
too if you have access to one.
--
Shaun.

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