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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:20:23 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
The point is to reproduce a male voice at sufficient quality to
convince an eyes-closed listener that there is a real person present
in the room and not a Hi Fi. That clearly can't be done with a
recorded "performance" however special.

I have heard it just about done with an anechoic recording through
Quad electrostatics, and even that wasn't 100% perfect. It is
absolutely impossible with vinyl. Surface noise will always be heard
in the spaces between words, however well the recording is made -
simple fact of life, I'm afraid.

What mic did you use? I agree about the choice of speaker, though. And
something like a 4038 (PGS) ribbon, as most modern mics have a mid and top
range boost.

A while ago now, but it was a B&K measuring mic (which just happened
to be in the anechoic chamber). Flat from 5Hz to about 40kHz, I
believe.

d

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In article ,
tony sayer wrote:
Don's right about that surface noise. Its quite amazing just how quiet
it has to be to do a single voice...

Having tried it a while ago with a AKG capacitor mike and Quad speakers
and a Studer B67 with no noise reduction...

One way is to play weighted noise along with the live voice when doing the
comparison. Or record surface noise if you were foolish enough to use
vinyl.

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Dave Plowman London SW 12
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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 18:52:30 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:08:13 +0100, Richard Ashton used
to say...

In uk.net.news.config on Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:00:39 +0100, Dave Plowman
wrote:

}In article ,
} Dave J. wrote:
} A *good* quality
} system is the one with clean midrange and none of this ludicrous
} (monosodium glutamate as I call it) pre-emphasis of top and bottom.
}
} The test of someone's 'glorious' 500W hifi system is to turn it down
} to a whisper and see how it sounds. Most will lose definition and
} clarity and some will even disappear into the noise floor.
}
} Absolutely. One of the most stringent tests of a system is to reproduce
}well recorded male speech at a realistic level naturally. And *very* few
}will. But don't even try if it's off vinyl, because then nothing will.

Bull****. I still have the vinyl of Gerrard Hoffnung's address to the Oxford
Union in 1957, a magnificent recording and the funniest record ever made.

{R}


I do wish we could stand Plowman under "the barrel coming down". :)

Ah, but we sensible people would not let go of the
rope................

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Message-ID: from Richard
Ashton contained the following:


The only real music is live music.

Nonsense.

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"Richard Ashton" wrote in message
...
In uk.net.news.config on Thu, 3 Jul 2003 17:27:17 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:
}"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
} On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 17:08:13 +0100, Richard Ashton
} wrote:
}
} In uk.net.news.config on Thu, 03 Jul 2003 14:00:39 +0100, Dave Plowman
} wrote:
}
} }In article ,
} } Dave J. wrote:
} } A *good* quality
} } system is the one with clean midrange and none of this ludicrous
} } (monosodium glutamate as I call it) pre-emphasis of top and bottom.
} }
} } The test of someone's 'glorious' 500W hifi system is to turn it
down
} } to a whisper and see how it sounds. Most will lose definition and
} } clarity and some will even disappear into the noise floor.
} }
} } Absolutely. One of the most stringent tests of a system is to
reproduce
} }well recorded male speech at a realistic level naturally. And *very*
few
} }will. But don't even try if it's off vinyl, because then nothing
will.
}
} Bull****. I still have the vinyl of Gerrard Hoffnung's address to the
} Oxford Union in 1957, a magnificent recording and the funniest record
} ever made.
}
} I don't think you have quite grasped Dave's point. Magnificence and
} humour have nothing to do with it - indeed magnificence is a mark of
} failure.

You have a dogey dictionary.

:-)


(BTW, bad snipping - I didn't say any of the above!)

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"Geoff Berrow" wrote in message
...
Message-ID: from Richard
Ashton contained the following:


The only real music is live music.

Nonsense.


Agreed entirely. When I play a record, I'm playing a sodding record - I'm
not trying to recreate seats J9 and J10 at the frickin' Barbie.......!!!

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On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 23:40:59 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Thu, 03 Jul 2003 21:08:31 GMT, Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

Ah, but we sensible people would not let go of the
rope................

Hence all our remarks about your lack of wit...

I entirely agree that you and Ronnie are a wit.

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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering