Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

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"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Me:
Good analogy. In my hypothetical situation, the mosaic artist has his
own store where he sells mosaics based on oil paintings that he hides
in his basement. Not only that, the oil paintings were commissioned as
templates for his mosaics. The artist adds details and effects not
found in the template painting. His customers have a cultural bias
towards tiles.

The vinyl equivalent of this would be LP's that were produced from the onset
only for distribution as LP's, with no hopes of future improvements in
media. I don't believe that this has ever been the case, except for perhaps
some tiny, short-run boutique recordings.

I've never seen an LP that wasn't meant for distribution as other than
an LP, unless you count those melted lamp shade things in gift shops
years ago. I assumed those were returns, not special pressings.

I suppose we all want something better to hope for.

Stephen

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

"MiNE 109" wrote in message

In article ,
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Me:
Good analogy. In my hypothetical situation, the mosaic artist has
his own store where he sells mosaics based on oil paintings that he
hides in his basement. Not only that, the oil paintings were
commissioned as templates for his mosaics. The artist adds details
and effects not found in the template painting. His customers have
a cultural bias towards tiles.

The vinyl equivalent of this would be LP's that were produced from
the onset only for distribution as LP's, with no hopes of future
improvements in media. I don't believe that this has ever been the
case, except for perhaps some tiny, short-run boutique recordings.

I've never seen an LP that wasn't meant for distribution as other than
an LP, unless you count those melted lamp shade things in gift shops
years ago. I assumed those were returns, not special pressings.

Irrelevant since the point was that the same musical performances
distributed on LPs were at various times distributed as:

(1) 45's
(2) Open reel tapes
(3) 8 track tapes
(4) cassette tapes
(5) CDs
(6) DVDs
(7) Radio broadcasts
(8) TV broadcasts
(9) Laserdiscs

and that this was often known at the time the performance was recorded.

I suppose we all want something better to hope for.

Yes, like a relevant thoughtful answer from you Stephen.

You've been hanging out with people like Ludovic too much, Stephen.

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

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Dave Plowman wrote:

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MiNE 109 wrote:
You should have overdubbed it.

Indeed. A classic punch in.

Heh heh. 'Punching in' is what you do to pick up after a mistake.
Overdubbing replaces the original section completely.

Not around here. One punches in a short segment, a phrase, even just a
note or two to replace a mistake.

Terminology could be different in the UK.

Stephen

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

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Dave Plowman wrote:

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MiNE 109 wrote:
In the cutting engineers lab to bring you back on topic?

That wasn't the topic. My point was that the recording can be changed at
any production stage.

And my point was that it won't be other than in the studio.

That's no distinction. It's not even correct. Even digital masters go to
mastering studios and can also be changed at the pressing plant.

Forget about the cutting engineer for a moment and pretend you're
recording direct-to-disc a la Sheffield Lab. You've decided to do an
avant-garde tape and solo instrument piece from the 60s and want to
record the tape direct and the solo instrument with microphones.

Possible?

Err, direct to disc means just that - no tape. Care to try again?

"Tape and solo instrument," remember? There's a whole genre of music for
pre-recorded tapes and live performers.

So you assemble the entire orchestra and vocals, do an identical mix
on your portable mixer, arrange for a sync output to feed all their
cans, and do your overdub.

No. You play the lp production master tape, split the output signal for
monitoring and mix the new element with the original recording before
the cutter.

The whole point of making an lp cutting master is to make sure what you
have on the master tape will cut. Adding something 'live' would be a total
nonsense. You really, really, really, don't do things like that when
making an lp. Trust me.

Refer to my earlier comment about how easy and common it is. You'd have
to really, really, really, really want to do it.

Yes it's possible. ;-)

If you say so.

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

In article ,
MiNE 109 wrote:
And my point was that it won't be other than in the studio.

That's no distinction. It's not even correct. Even digital masters go to
mastering studios and can also be changed at the pressing plant.

By adding live vocals etc at the pressing plant? Like I said, anything is
possible, but let's just keep a sense of reality.

--
*Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses.*

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

In article ,
MiNE 109 wrote:
Heh heh. 'Punching in' is what you do to pick up after a mistake.
Overdubbing replaces the original section completely.

Not around here. One punches in a short segment, a phrase, even just a
note or two to replace a mistake.

Explain the difference between that and overdubbing, then?

Terminology could be different in the UK.

It often is.

--
*Young at heart -- slightly older in other places

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

In article ,
Dave Plowman wrote:

In article ,
MiNE 109 wrote:
Heh heh. 'Punching in' is what you do to pick up after a mistake.
Overdubbing replaces the original section completely.

Not around here. One punches in a short segment, a phrase, even just a
note or two to replace a mistake.

Explain the difference between that and overdubbing, then?

Duration. Also, if you would so good as to recall the definition I
supplied a few posts back, overdubbing can mean recording an entirely
new track, hence the synonym, "tracking".

Terminology could be different in the UK.

It often is.

Best to table the matter, right?

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

In article ,
Dave Plowman wrote:

In article ,
MiNE 109 wrote:
And my point was that it won't be other than in the studio.

That's no distinction. It's not even correct. Even digital masters go to
mastering studios and can also be changed at the pressing plant.

By adding live vocals etc at the pressing plant?

More normal would be a change of level.

Like I said, anything is
possible, but let's just keep a sense of reality.

I say it is possible, but difficult and rarely done, to add a live
element to a master tape while making a cutting master. I see that you
agree.

That wasn't so hard, was it?

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

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Dave Plowman wrote:

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Kurt Hamster wrote:
Heh heh. 'Punching in' is what you do to pick up after a mistake.
Overdubbing replaces the original section completely.

So you forgot that he was trying to replace an incorrect word?

I.e. "pick[ing] up after a mistake"?

No - he got to the end before trying to correct it. You usually 'punch' or
drop in after things have ground to a halt. You can do a repair by
dropping in then out again, but IMHO, that's not so common. There's a risk
of a problem at the drop out point.

It's a difference in terminology, then. IME, "punching in" is in and out
correcting a mistake in an otherwise complete section. One might call
the "flying start" after a breakdown "punching in" as well, but not
exclusively. Something longer than a "punch in" would be a "patch" but
that might get its own track.

Stephen

Valve superiority over solid state - read this (Lynn Olsen)
 

A certain MiNE 109, of uk.rec.audio "fame", writes :

Refer to my earlier comment about how easy and common it is. You'd have
to really, really, really, really want to do it.

It is easy and common now, but of course LPs now only account for a tiny
part of the market.

It was not easy or common at the time when LPs were popular - let's be
really generous and pick 1990 as a cut-off date. Certainly in 1990
digital audio workstations and editing by computer were still a thing of
the future.

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