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hi guys,

I need some advice on the best way to hook up my new cd player. I have
just purchased a NAD 521BEE to replace my old rotel 865, I am running the
NAD through my yamaha DSP A2 and was wondering whether its better to connect
it via the analogue outputs or the digital coax. If I connect via digital
coax am I right in thinking that this will bypass the DAC on the NAD and use
the DAC on the yamaha, if this is the case which has the best DAC?


thanks
Neil.


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Neil wrote:

... If I connect via digital coax am I right in thinking that this
will bypass the DAC on the NAD and use the DAC on the yamaha, ...

I reckon so.


... if this is the case which has the best DAC?

The one you like the sound of more.


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Neil wrote:

... If I connect via digital coax am I right in thinking that this
will bypass the DAC on the NAD and use the DAC on the yamaha, ...

I reckon so.


... if this is the case which has the best DAC?

The one you like the sound of more.


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

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For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Neil wrote:

... If I connect via digital coax am I right in thinking that this
will bypass the DAC on the NAD and use the DAC on the yamaha, ...

I reckon so.


... if this is the case which has the best DAC?

The one you like the sound of more.


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

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For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

"Wally" wrote in message
...
Neil wrote:

... If I connect via digital coax am I right in thinking that this
will bypass the DAC on the NAD and use the DAC on the yamaha, ...

I reckon so.


... if this is the case which has the best DAC?

The one you like the sound of more.


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

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David wrote:

For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Surely the sounds of the two bits of kit is down to more than each of them
simply being of a certain type?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

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David wrote:

For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Surely the sounds of the two bits of kit is down to more than each of them
simply being of a certain type?


--
Wally
www.art-gallery.myby.co.uk
On webcam: Black Cat In Coal Cellar

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"David" wrote in message
...
For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".




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"David" wrote in message
...
For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
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Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".




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Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".


LOL

;-)

Bring on the shellac

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Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".


LOL

;-)

Bring on the shellac

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In article , Roy
wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".

Well, I spent some time last night watching/listening to the Ken Burn's
'Jazz' DVDs. I found they sounded better with the mono button 'on'. The
sound otherwise seemed quite phasy and unbalanced. Hence I do find a mono
button continues to be useful (as do 'tone controls'). Heresy lives. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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In article , Roy
wrote:

"David" wrote in message
...
For stereo audio stick to the DAC in the CD player - you are already
compromised enough with a multi-channel amp.

Could be a new thread here - 2 channel good, multi channel bad?

Not a new thread at all. It used to be "back to mono".

Well, I spent some time last night watching/listening to the Ken Burn's
'Jazz' DVDs. I found they sounded better with the mono button 'on'. The
sound otherwise seemed quite phasy and unbalanced. Hence I do find a mono
button continues to be useful (as do 'tone controls'). Heresy lives. ;-

Slainte,

Jim

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To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.

Life is full of comprimises, we are all limited by space, budgets, spouses
taste in decor etc. Subwoofers have their place both in home cinema and
hi-fi, correctly balanced and set up (mines in a poor location) as much as
they do in the studio and live-sound setting.


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To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.

Life is full of comprimises, we are all limited by space, budgets, spouses
taste in decor etc. Subwoofers have their place both in home cinema and
hi-fi, correctly balanced and set up (mines in a poor location) as much as
they do in the studio and live-sound setting.


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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:33:17 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

Well, there's someone who's never heard a good sub..............

There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.

Life is full of comprimises, we are all limited by space, budgets, spouses
taste in decor etc. Subwoofers have their place both in home cinema and
hi-fi, correctly balanced and set up (mines in a poor location) as much as
they do in the studio and live-sound setting.

Yes indeed, and as with all things audio, it's the implementation that
counts!
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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 15:33:17 -0000, "Tim S Kemp"
wrote:

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

Well, there's someone who's never heard a good sub..............

There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.

Life is full of comprimises, we are all limited by space, budgets, spouses
taste in decor etc. Subwoofers have their place both in home cinema and
hi-fi, correctly balanced and set up (mines in a poor location) as much as
they do in the studio and live-sound setting.

Yes indeed, and as with all things audio, it's the implementation that
counts!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.


Never yet heard one sound anything other than downright unpleasant - weren't
we all concerned a few years ago about being subjected to "infrasound" to
cause anxiety, panic attacks etc.etc. - so why invite one into your lounge.
I stand by my premise that not since the fad for "graphic equalisers" has a
piece of kit done such a disservice to home audio.

David

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There are is only one aspect to home audio that matters - and that is
enjoyment. If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1). If your enjoyment comes from feeling
the pulse of dance music, a subwoofer can help for that too.


Never yet heard one sound anything other than downright unpleasant - weren't
we all concerned a few years ago about being subjected to "infrasound" to
cause anxiety, panic attacks etc.etc. - so why invite one into your lounge.
I stand by my premise that not since the fad for "graphic equalisers" has a
piece of kit done such a disservice to home audio.

David

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:26:02 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

Well, there's someone who's never heard a good sub..............

Never understood the 'I hate subs' mentality.

bass in any realistic sized listening room is essentially omnidirectional, and if you really want to hear / feel the subsonic stuff, you need a sub.

how different is having a sub from having an even bigger speaker cab with another even bigger drievr in it?

Ok, so many MANY subs are utter crap. doesnt mean the concept is flawed.

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On Sun, 4 Jan 2004 17:26:02 +0000 (UTC)
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

To make any meaningful contribution to Hi-Fi sound ALL sub woofers should
only ever be used in a room from which every particle of air has been
removed.

Well, there's someone who's never heard a good sub..............

Never understood the 'I hate subs' mentality.

bass in any realistic sized listening room is essentially omnidirectional, and if you really want to hear / feel the subsonic stuff, you need a sub.

how different is having a sub from having an even bigger speaker cab with another even bigger drievr in it?

Ok, so many MANY subs are utter crap. doesnt mean the concept is flawed.

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In article , David
wrote:


If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1).


Never yet heard one sound anything other than downright unpleasant

I wonder if you have heard them inappropriately used...

My suspicion is that, nowdays, many are being used for 'home cinema' by
people who have no real experience or feel for 'hi fi' as such, and for
getting 'impressive' bangs and thuds to accompany films. In such situations
I suspect I'd often agree with you that the results would be better for
*music* if the sub was off.

However in recent months I have been experimenting with a relatively
inexpensive sub with other speakers. Firstly LS3/5A's, then more recently
with ESL63's. On the basis of this I'd say that - carefully adjusted and
positioned - the sub can add quite a lot. It can give a much more realistic
sound to something like the low end of a piano, and for things like string
bass. The results seem to me to be both more pleasing, and a more
convincing reproduction of what I'd expect the actual instruments to sound
like.

FWIW I have found that a level that is a bit above what you'd expect from
nominal 'flat' with a SPL meter sounds good for most music, but that film
sound effects seem to assume you have to blow out the windows! :-) Not
sure, but I suspect my own findings may be due to a preference for older
recordings that may be low-bass 'light', so I am compensating a little for
that. The snag, of course, is that recordings vary a lot, so finding a
happy medium takes some patience. Fortunately, the bass control on Quad 34
helps a bit here as it gives room for easy and well-defined adjustments.

I set the sub up initially with an SPL meter and a test CD to get a
'reference' level to balance the sub/main and avoid a peak or dip at the
overlap. Then, in use, wound the sub down in level/cutoff, and then
advanced it over a period of some days until it just became noticable. Then
spent some more days tweaking the settings a little. This, in my view,
avoids starting off with excessive bass, and then being partly accustomed
to it, thus colouring any subsequent judgements.

The results are not perfect. I suspect I'd have to do some room eq for
that, and always am at the mercy of what was recorded. However overall, I
find the results better with sub rather than with the sub removed.

Slainte,

Jim

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Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html

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In article , David
wrote:


If your enjoyment comes from accuracy to the original (and most
people can rcognise good fidelity from bad) that's one thing, and a
subwoofer can help for music that was intended to be used with one
(especially music recorded for 5.1).


Never yet heard one sound anything other than downright unpleasant

I wonder if you have heard them inappropriately used...

My suspicion is that, nowdays, many are being used for 'home cinema' by
people who have no real experience or feel for 'hi fi' as such, and for
getting 'impressive' bangs and thuds to accompany films. In such situations
I suspect I'd often agree with you that the results would be better for
*music* if the sub was off.

However in recent months I have been experimenting with a relatively
inexpensive sub with other speakers. Firstly LS3/5A's, then more recently
with ESL63's. On the basis of this I'd say that - carefully adjusted and
positioned - the sub can add quite a lot. It can give a much more realistic
sound to something like the low end of a piano, and for things like string
bass. The results seem to me to be both more pleasing, and a more
convincing reproduction of what I'd expect the actual instruments to sound
like.

FWIW I have found that a level that is a bit above what you'd expect from
nominal 'flat' with a SPL meter sounds good for most music, but that film
sound effects seem to assume you have to blow out the windows! :-) Not
sure, but I suspect my own findings may be due to a preference for older
recordings that may be low-bass 'light', so I am compensating a little for
that. The snag, of course, is that recordings vary a lot, so finding a
happy medium takes some patience. Fortunately, the bass control on Quad 34
helps a bit here as it gives room for easy and well-defined adjustments.

I set the sub up initially with an SPL meter and a test CD to get a
'reference' level to balance the sub/main and avoid a peak or dip at the
overlap. Then, in use, wound the sub down in level/cutoff, and then
advanced it over a period of some days until it just became noticable. Then
spent some more days tweaking the settings a little. This, in my view,
avoids starting off with excessive bass, and then being partly accustomed
to it, thus colouring any subsequent judgements.

The results are not perfect. I suspect I'd have to do some room eq for
that, and always am at the mercy of what was recorded. However overall, I
find the results better with sub rather than with the sub removed.

Slainte,

Jim

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Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html
Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html