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Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

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On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:13:59 +0100, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:11:16 +0100, Keith G used
to say...

Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

I especially like this description they give in their digital
interconnects bit...

"All digital signals are, in fact, analogue. A digital signal is a
square wave, which consists of sine waves, all with much high
frequencies. These sine waves added together reproduce the square wave.
If one of these sine waves is missing because of, for example, reduced
bandwidth, the square wave becomes distorted and subsequently timing
errors may occur."

Heheheheheh, so digital is actually analogue eh? :)

There is indeed a wealth of crap on that website, but this isn't it.

Digital signals are in fact no different to any other signals, and
they are most assuredly analogue. It is just the information they
contain that isn't, but as far as the signals themselves are
concerned, all the normal analogue factors of frequency response,
phase response and distortion have their part to play.

d

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There is indeed a wealth of crap on that website, but this isn't it.

Digital signals are in fact no different to any other signals, and
they are most assuredly analogue.

For a very simple network pulses will be put direct onto the wire, eg at
any time it will be either 0v or 5v, and nowhere imbetween, this will
create the square wave that is sometimes called a digtal signal.

The distinction is much less clear for a modulated signal, which is just
about every signal these days, but I don't think its correct to simply say
Digital == Analogue.

However...

It is just the information they
contain that isn't, but as far as the signals themselves are
concerned, all the normal analogue factors of frequency response,
phase response and distortion have their part to play.

....this is complely true. That's why repeaters exist to transmit digital
signals over long distances. However on plain old cat5 a high speed signal
can travel (IIRC) 200meters without special equipment.

I've said before, digtal HiFi interconnects are possibly the least
demanding application imaginable. People who buy high-end just don't like
to think *anything* their equipment does is actually easy!

--
Jim H

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Keith G in uk.rec.audio:

Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

What I don't get is why someone who needs THAT good a signal transfer would
use phono plugs anyway?

By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable, because by
design it is almost immune to noise.

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market? It couldn't be
because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono cable!

--
Jim H

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"Jim H" wrote in message
...


There is indeed a wealth of crap on that website, but this isn't it.

Digital signals are in fact no different to any other signals, and
they are most assuredly analogue.

For a very simple network pulses will be put direct onto the wire, eg
at
any time it will be either 0v or 5v, and nowhere imbetween, this will
create the square wave that is sometimes called a digtal signal.
I don't think this is quite correct even for the most basic pulses. If
you examine a "digital signal" at a high resolution you will see
"ringing" occur when the voltage changes so the signal isn't either 0v
or 5v but an approximation of a square wave such as

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Fourier...quareWave.html

The signal becomes "digital" because the resolution of the receiving
equipment is set such that the subtle variation per cycle is not
detectable or is ignored.


--
RobH
The future's dim, the future's mono.

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In article ,
Jim H wrote:
By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable, because
by design it is almost immune to noise.

There's no such thing as XLR cable - an XLR is the connector. And the
cable used with these is balanced twin screened. It also comes in several
different flavours. ;-)

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market? It couldn't be
because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono cable!

Creating balanced inputs and outputs costs - and introduces extra
electronics since possibly most domestic gear is unbalanced internally.
And XLR connectors are really designed for heavy duty use - domestic
equipment doesn't normally get unplugged each time it's used.

--
*Could it be that "I do " is the longest sentence? *

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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What a waste of money for such little gain.

--
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"Jim H" wrote in message


By my understanding pros use quite ordinary quality XLR cable,
because by design it is almost immune to noise.

It's not the cable, its the equipment at both ends that makes the
difference.

There are three main differences between consumer and true audio production
grade equipment vis-a-vis inputs and outputs:

(1) Balanced I/O. Audio production equipment sends the signal down two wires
in the audio cable, with opposite polarity. Consumer equipment sends only
one signal. The benefit comes at the receiving end where the signals are
subtracted, canceling out any noise that is picked up by both wires and
doubling the desired signal.

(2) Higher signal levels. CD players generate some of the highest working
voltages of any piece of consumer audio equipment, which generally peak out
at about 2 volts. Audio production equipment generally works with signals
that peak out at 6.8 volts or more, often quite a bit more.

(3) Lower impedances. Consumer audio gear generally involves input
impedances of 100K, 50K, 2K, but rarely lower. Audio production equipment
has input impedances of no more than 20K, often 10K frequently 6.8 K or 2K
and sometimes as low as 600 ohms. Low impedance inputs are less susceptible
to interference and generate less thermal noise.

I wonder why XLR hasn't filtered down to the mass market?

Mass market systems are simple and relatively non-critical. Audio production
equipment is often used in complex setups which are more prone to have
grounding problems and pickup other kinds of noise.

It couldn't be because they do quite well selling us overdesigned phono
cable!

That would be the high end...

To be fair, there is some high end equipment that uses balanced I/O and
standard audio production signal levels and impedances.

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 15:11:16 +0100, Keith G used
to say...

Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......

(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

I especially like this description they give in their digital
interconnects bit...

"All digital signals are, in fact, analogue.

True.

A digital signal is a square wave,

False. These guys obviously never looked at a SP/DIF signal with a 'scope.

which consists of sine waves, all with much high
frequencies. These sine waves added together reproduce the square
wave. If one of these sine waves is missing because of, for example,
reduced bandwidth, the square wave becomes distorted and subsequently
timing errors may occur."

Rounding of digital signals does not in and of itself lead to timing errors.
There needs to be some source of nose as well. Furthermore, various means
for eliminating the effects of probable timing errors on digital signals are
well-known.

Heheheheheh, so digital is actually analogue eh? :)

On several levels...

However digital-domain audio signals have several properties that
analog-domain signals lack:

(1) digital-domain audio signals can be readily transmitted, and stored with
zero linear and nonlinear distortion.

(2) The residual noise in digital-domain audio signals can be reduced until
it is arbitrarily small by fairly simple means.

In short, perfect sound forever!

;-)

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"Keith G" wrote
Here ya go darlin's - knock yerselves out on these speaker cables:

Siltech Signature G6 - only £30,000 a pair......

Find 'em on http://www.siltechcables.com/nfhomepa.html

Noise floor of 180 dB - how can they *not* be worth the money?

Beats the crap out of that 79 strand 70p/m unbranded ****e you lot
use.......


Keith said......
(Dave Whitter's already got a pair on order... :-)

Just spent a few bob on Russ Andrews Kimber 8TC and 4TC for all three
systems :-) very nice

after that its going to be a power purifier block, then thats it for this
year!!!!

UNLESS I can get a good deal with Quad for another pair of Quad II-forties
amps so I can bi amp me 804's

regards

Dave xxxxxx