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Old January 13th 04, 10:27 PM posted to uk.rec.audio
Gelf
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in
this ng at the moment
Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.
The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac
(lossless compression)
My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE

Gelf
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Old January 14th 04, 01:05 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Molton
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


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Old January 14th 04, 01:32 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim H
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the
sound?

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Old January 14th 04, 01:58 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Molton
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:32:32 -0000
Jim H wrote:

Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than
CD quality, all other things allowing...


But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the
sound?


In theory.

In practice (despite the recent threads) I very much doubt that any sort
of half-decent upsampling is audible at all.

I *did* say all other things allowing, htough ;-)

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Old January 14th 04, 01:58 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Molton
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:32:32 -0000
Jim H wrote:

Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than
CD quality, all other things allowing...


But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the
sound?


In theory.

In practice (despite the recent threads) I very much doubt that any sort
of half-decent upsampling is audible at all.

I *did* say all other things allowing, htough ;-)

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Old January 14th 04, 01:32 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Jim H
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


But most source material is 41k, so doesn't upsampling to 48 hurt the
sound?

--
Jim H jh
@333
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Old January 14th 04, 01:56 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


Where would he be getting this 48KHz stuff from? :-)

To answer the question - yes, a computer will squirt bits into your
DAC just as well as any other digital source.


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Old January 14th 04, 01:56 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Laurence Payne
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 02:05:12 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


Where would he be getting this 48KHz stuff from? :-)

To answer the question - yes, a computer will squirt bits into your
DAC just as well as any other digital source.


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Old January 14th 04, 01:05 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Ian Molton
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0000
Gelf wrote:

Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?
I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


Most likely you will be playing pack at 48kHz then, so *better* than CD
quality, all other things allowing...


--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
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Old January 14th 04, 10:27 AM posted to uk.rec.audio
Arny Krueger
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Default Hard Disc Player Sound Quality

"Gelf" wrote in message


PC based hard disc players seem to be a common topic of discussion in
this ng at the moment


Has anyone any comments on likely sound quality compared to a
standalone CD player?


All other things being equal, the sound quality should be the same when they
are both playing the same data. The PC-based player could have an edge
because the data it delivers to your DAC might have fewer uncorrected
errors. This happens because playing a CD on a regular CD player is a
one-pass process with no opportunity for retries. The better CD ripping
programs will retry erroneous data reads, which can significantly improve
the quality of the actual data delivered to your DAC.

I'm thinking along the lines of feeding digital audio from a PC
soundcard via optical link to a standalone Musical Fidelity DAC, then
to amp and speakers.


The sound quality of this system would be limited by the DAC.

The CDs would be stored on the hard disc as wav files or flac
(lossless compression)


Been there, done that, it works.

My current CD player is a Marantz CD6000OSE


You just need a good sound card that doesn't resample or otherwise butcher
the digital signal. You need to be sure to avoid contaminating the digital
signal with a ground loop. But you said "optical link" didn't you? That
pretty well eliminates ground loops as a source of problems!



 




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