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Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Hi all,
I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! Cheers, Marco. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Marco Cinnirella wrote:
Hi all, I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! I have owned a CD62T and CD82T and both were very solid, no complaints at all. however, I can't agree with you on the sound quality though :-) Currently have A Roksan Kandy Mk 3 CDP. -- MrBitsy |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Marco Cinnirella wrote:
Hi all, I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! I have owned a CD62T and CD82T and both were very solid, no complaints at all. however, I can't agree with you on the sound quality though :-) Currently have A Roksan Kandy Mk 3 CDP. -- MrBitsy |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On 14 Jan 2004 07:56:35 -0800, (Marco
Cinnirella) wrote: Hi all, I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! Cheers, Marco. Be assured. If they use double sided sticky tape to hold on a facia - so what? If it does the job, that is fine. I have an Alpha 9 which is a couple of years old, and shows not the slightest sign of wear. Even the remote still has all its numbers. d _____________________________ http://www.pearce.uk.com |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Nothing wrong with Arcam build quality. My Alpha 9 CD player is 4 years old
and still going strong. And it still beats all comers - I cannot find anything near its price worth upgrading to. "Marco Cinnirella" wrote in message om... Hi all, I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! Cheers, Marco. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Nothing wrong with Arcam build quality. My Alpha 9 CD player is 4 years old
and still going strong. And it still beats all comers - I cannot find anything near its price worth upgrading to. "Marco Cinnirella" wrote in message om... Hi all, I've been reading threads on this news group from last year which raised a few issues about the build quality of Arcam CD players. One poster in particular kept banging on about how the front fascia on his Arcam CD player was only attached by double-sided sticky tape. I also noted with interest that some claims were made by posters that many Arcam products were manufactured 'on the cheap' by OEM manufacturers in the far east. However someone from Arcam posted a reply saying that this was wrong and that almost all Arcam products are made at the Arcam HQ in Cambridge, U.K. I wonder where the CD73 is made - it doesn't say anywheer on the device or the packaging!? I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I hope I haven't bought a lemon! I certainly like the sound quality, but I can't afford to replace it after a couple of years if it goes wrong - I want to get at least 5 years out of it! Cheers, Marco. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:09:54 +0000 (UTC), "technobear"
wrote: Nothing wrong with Arcam build quality. My Alpha 9 CD player is 4 years old and still going strong. And it still beats all comers - I cannot find anything near its price worth upgrading to. Same feedback from me, same product and same period of time. Regards David |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On 14 Jan 2004 07:56:35 -0800
(Marco Cinnirella) wrote: I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I have an ARCAM DAC. (Delta Black Box 3). Build is a simple box made of extruded aluminiuim and steel plate. seems solid enough to me. -- Spyros lair: http://www.mnementh.co.uk/ |||| Maintainer: arm26 linux Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
In article , "Mike Cawood,
HND BIT" wrote: Double sided sticky has been used for many years to hold things together, it's cheap and (usually) permanent. Mike. I tend to agree. The lables on my Spendor LS3/5A's are held on with double sided tape. Mind you, I only know this as they fell off and I had to stick them back on again... ;- Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
"Jim Lesurf" wrote in message ... In article , "Mike Cawood, HND BIT" wrote: Double sided sticky has been used for many years to hold things together, it's cheap and (usually) permanent. Mike. I tend to agree. The lables on my Spendor LS3/5A's are held on with double sided tape. Mind you, I only know this as they fell off and I had to stick them back on again... ;- Slainte, Jim Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
"Terry" wrote in message ...
Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards Not all industrial adhesives are the same. Performance and quality vary according to design and cost. Adhesives are often used where they provide better performance than traditional fixing methods. Can't comment specifically on Arcams use of adhesive tape, but if it was chosen with the care they apply to the rest of their design then I think it will do the job well. Regards Chris |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
"Chris Frost remove NOSPAM" wrote in message m... "Terry" wrote in message ... Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards Not all industrial adhesives are the same. Performance and quality vary according to design and cost. Adhesives are often used where they provide better performance than traditional fixing methods. Can't comment specifically on Arcams use of adhesive tape, but if it was chosen with the care they apply to the rest of their design then I think it will do the job well. Yes, much as I don't like the idea of 'double-sided sticky' tape myself, it simply isn't reasonable to dismiss the use of such adhesives in industrial (or construction) situations - for instance, most modern cars rely on adhesives in dozens of different places, starting with the 'rear view mirror' which is usually just stuck to the windscreen and they will subject the 'stuck' components to far more stress and heat than a simple bit of hifi kit........ .. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Yes, much as I don't like the idea of 'double-sided sticky' tape myself, it simply isn't reasonable to dismiss the use of such adhesives in industrial (or construction) situations - for instance, most modern cars rely on adhesives in dozens of different places, starting with the 'rear view mirror' which is usually just stuck to the windscreen and they will subject the 'stuck' components to far more stress and heat than a simple bit of hifi kit........ I think the OP would be rather horrified to see the extent to which adhesives are used in the aerospace and automotive industries. Also double-sided tape is easily available in repair shops (who may one day need to get that front panel off), leaves no visible screws at the front, is easily applied by machines, has fewer Health and Safety issues than liquid adhesives and is easier to rework if there is a quality issue. The other method is to use a snap-fit connector on the front panel, but once these break (which IME they always do) the front panel is buggered. I've broken lots of computers like this. Double-sided sticky tape usually sorts it though! -- Tim Hobbs Barcoding? http://www.bartec-systems.com Land Rovers? http://www.seriesii.co.uk |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:35:17 +0000, Tim Hobbs
wrote: I think the OP would be rather horrified to see the extent to which adhesives are used in the aerospace and automotive industries. True. My recent windscreen replacement was a glue job. And I was warned not to drive too far or fast without the glass fitted - it's a necessary and integral part of the body. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
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Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
"Chris Frost remove NOSPAM" wrote in message m... "Terry" wrote in message ... Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards Not all industrial adhesives are the same. Performance and quality vary according to design and cost. Adhesives are often used where they provide better performance than traditional fixing methods. Can't comment specifically on Arcams use of adhesive tape, but if it was chosen with the care they apply to the rest of their design then I think it will do the job well. Regards Chris What standard of adhesive tape do you think the typical service dept will use. ? Regards |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:51:17 -0000, "Terry"
wrote: What standard of adhesive tape do you think the typical service dept will use. ? For sticking a front-plate on, anything handy I expect. Because it doesn't really matter a damn whether it falls off :-) For repairing a component where a specialised adhesive is indicated, they'd use the right one. Just like windscreen replacers, plastic window installers etc, etc. do. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
I love my ARCAM DV88 DVD player. Very solid build quality and the sound from CDs, stunning. I just bought one over Xmas. I love it too, but its so sloowwww to operate and the remote is crap and very directional. |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
David wrote:
I love my ARCAM DV88 DVD player. Very solid build quality and the sound from CDs, stunning. I just bought one over Xmas. I love it too, but its so sloowwww to operate and the remote is crap and very directional. Blimey, you need to try a Roksan remote - mine has a limp, uses a walking stick and needs glasses :-) -- MrBitsy |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
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Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:51:17 -0000, "Terry"
wrote: "Chris Frost remove NOSPAM" wrote in message om... "Terry" wrote in message ... Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards Not all industrial adhesives are the same. Performance and quality vary according to design and cost. Adhesives are often used where they provide better performance than traditional fixing methods. Can't comment specifically on Arcams use of adhesive tape, but if it was chosen with the care they apply to the rest of their design then I think it will do the job well. What standard of adhesive tape do you think the typical service dept will use. ? Who cares? If it was done right by Arcam, then it won't need to be replaced. -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:51:17 -0000, "Terry"
wrote: "Chris Frost remove NOSPAM" wrote in message om... "Terry" wrote in message ... Over a period of time 'double sided sticky' will dry out and lose its adhesian. I would not like to find a high quality piece of audio equipment held together with this. It is cheap and shoddy. Regards Not all industrial adhesives are the same. Performance and quality vary according to design and cost. Adhesives are often used where they provide better performance than traditional fixing methods. Can't comment specifically on Arcams use of adhesive tape, but if it was chosen with the care they apply to the rest of their design then I think it will do the job well. What standard of adhesive tape do you think the typical service dept will use. ? Who cares? If it was done right by Arcam, then it won't need to be replaced. The next time you go abroad on holiday, remember that the aitcraft is mostly held together with adhesives.................... -- Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering |
Are Arcam CD players really of poor build quality?
Marco Cinnirella schrieb:
I've just bought a Diva CD73T CD Player, and it feels solid in build quality, but I'm intrigued to know from other Arcam owners what their experiences are. I just tested this unit, and it has a solid built and performs very reliably (which is more than I can say about two more expensive Rega and Musical Fidelity players). Also, even if it were made "on the cheap" in East Asia, how would that affect its value as a CD player if it works? Some of the most solidly built hifi items of late (Cayin, Ming Da, ShengYa) hail from China. Regards, Thomas |
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