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Ian Molton January 28th 04 07:00 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:37:21 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

If you want 'fragile' try this (I've done it and will demonstrate it to
anyone who wants) - get a ****e LP ('Singalonga Max' on 90 gm Ronco would be
ideal) and bend it in half 'til the opposite edges of the same side touch,
(NEVER FACING TOWARD YOU OR ANYONE ELSE, FFS!), let it spring back, work it
flat a bit, stick it on and play it.

Next, try it with a CD........


Funnily enough I've done that. it DID play too (and the data track worked too).

sometimes they shatter into a million pieces. sometimes not.

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Ian Molton January 28th 04 07:01 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:22:47 +0000
Le Artiste wrote:

Sony CD/DVD internals are now made by Liteon - they'll just whap an
extra 40% on the price and tie you in to their sluggish firmware
revisions ;)


Funny that - I actually like lite-ons.

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Ian Molton January 28th 04 07:05 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:57:45 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

AVOID at ALL COSTS.



Damn, there's me with a spare one I don't need and I was going to give it to
you!


Seriously - if you had a spare one I'd take it, but only because I havent got a DVDRW at all (Im waiting until 8x double-density is out) and my trusty plextor 12x CDRW drive is starting to act like its wearing a brown sweater and slippers (ie. its not exactly 12x anymore)

I'd never actually *buy* one though. The two companies that made up LG were both ****e to begin with, and their service nowadays is worse than their product.

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Ian Molton January 28th 04 07:08 PM

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On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Crap build quality,


Untrue, they are as well made as anything else. Also, one of the
*very* few writers to handle DVD-RAM.


who cares?

and when they got caught out for not following the
atapi standard (causing their drives to get their firmware wiped if
used with certain linux machnies, they refused warranty claims.

AVOID at ALL COSTS.


I take it you mean avoid Linux at all costs? Good advice..........


WTF? Linux complies with the spec and you defend the non-compliant drive
(that replaced a standard ATAPI command with the 'update firmware'
command) ??!

what kind of ****ed up planet are you from? (oh yeah, planet jitter,
thats the one)

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ketchup.

Keith G January 28th 04 07:36 PM

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:57:45 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

AVOID at ALL COSTS.



Damn, there's me with a spare one I don't need and I was going to give

it to
you!


Seriously - if you had a spare one I'd take it,



Bugger.

A little while back some kids called at the door collecting unwanted burners
for charity.......


but only because I havent got a DVDRW at all (Im waiting until 8x

double-density is out)


You might as well wait until dual-layer is out (unless that's what you
meant).



and my trusty plextor 12x CDRW drive is starting to act like its wearing a
brown sweater and slippers (ie. its not exactly 12x anymore)


Oops, er, what colour slippers exactly?



I'd never actually *buy* one though. The two companies that made up LG

were both ****e to begin with, and their service nowadays is worse than
their product.


The biggest mistake made in this country is thinking that it takes as long
for a far eastern country to get its act together as does over here....





Keith G January 28th 04 07:48 PM

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:37:21 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

If you want 'fragile' try this (I've done it and will demonstrate it to
anyone who wants) - get a ****e LP ('Singalonga Max' on 90 gm Ronco

would be
ideal) and bend it in half 'til the opposite edges of the same side

touch,
(NEVER FACING TOWARD YOU OR ANYONE ELSE, FFS!), let it spring back, work

it
flat a bit, stick it on and play it.

Next, try it with a CD........


Funnily enough I've done that. it DID play too (and the data track worked

too).

sometimes they shatter into a million pieces. sometimes not.




Don't know why, but this reminds me of the one where the Queen Mum visited
this posh new loony bin. She goes into the TV lounge where they are all
watching summat on the box and speaks to an old geezer who's grinning all
over his face:

'Hello my good man, are you well?'

'Yep.'

'Are they looking after you?'

'Yep.'

This is a very nice place isn't it?'

'Yep.'

'Do you like it here?'

'Yep.'

'Oh good, I em glad and wot's your name then?'

'Napoleon Bonaparte.'

'Oh!', sez she, with her fingers over her mouth 'Who gave you that name
then?'

'God did.'

Loud, angry voice from the other side of the room: 'OH NO I FARKING
DIDN'T......!!'

;-)






Wally January 28th 04 09:00 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
Keith G wrote:

Talking only DVD media here, I have found that the 'better' (ie less
prone to failure) disks are, without exception, the branded 'famous
names' like Philips, Ricoh, Maxell, Memorex, Imation, HP etc. I have
not yet had one failure from disks like these. Cheap, unbranded disks
that I have tried are Maplins own and PC World's own 'PC Line' -
failure rates here were about 3%.

snip

Thanks for the info, Keith. I've noticed that the drive prices are coming
down, but haven't been keeping an eye on media prices or speeds. I don't
have a DVD burner at present, but I've been thinking about getting one
sometime. I think I'd mainly use it for data backups and recording stuff off
the TV, assuming there's VCR-type software available (I don't have a TV or
VCR - just a TV card in the computer).


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com




Wally January 28th 04 09:10 PM

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Keith G wrote:

Damn, there's me with a spare one I don't need and I was going to
give it to you!


If that's an offer, I'd be honoured to accept. :-)


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com




Keith G January 28th 04 11:57 PM

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"Keith G" wrote


The biggest mistake made in this country is thinking that it takes as long
for a far eastern country to get its act together as does over here....



Corrigendum:

That was supposed to read:

"The biggest mistake made in this country is thinking that it takes as long
for a far eastern *company* to get its act together as one does over
here....






Keith G January 28th 04 11:57 PM

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

Damn, there's me with a spare one I don't need and I was going to
give it to you!


If that's an offer, I'd be honoured to accept. :-)




Sorry Wally - I was only winding Ian up!

;-)






Wally January 29th 04 12:28 AM

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Keith G wrote:

If that's an offer, I'd be honoured to accept. :-)


Sorry Wally - I was only winding Ian up!


I thought as much, but had to take the chance that you weren't. ;-)


--
Wally
www.artbywally.com




Keith G January 29th 04 12:56 AM

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"Wally" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

If that's an offer, I'd be honoured to accept. :-)


Sorry Wally - I was only winding Ian up!


I thought as much, but had to take the chance that you weren't. ;-)




Quite right too - you get nowhere in this world just sitting in a corner
just wishin' and hopin'.....


WAAAGH!!

I've just remembered I had that song on a VCR tape as the opening to a film
(utterly and completely delightful - 'sung' by a bunch of girls in wedding
attire) and I've just got rid of all the VCR stuff!!! (Believe me, once you
get into DVD recording you can't throw VCR tapes far enough!) That'll bloody
teach me for winding people up!

:-(

Anybody know what that film was? - The song is 'Wishin' and Hopin' by Bert
Bacarach of course.....





Keith G January 29th 04 01:27 AM

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:57:52 -0000, Keith G used
to say...


"Wally" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:

Damn, there's me with a spare one I don't need and I was going to
give it to you!

If that's an offer, I'd be honoured to accept. :-)




Sorry Wally - I was only winding Ian up!

;-)


It's bit like shooting a fish in a barrel though ain't it :)




Yeah, but I feel like poop now...... :-(





Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 07:09 AM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:19:46 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

I take it you mean avoid Linux at all costs? Good advice..........


Now why would that be good advice?


Because it's used exclusively by sad lefty geeks.................

Haven't you figured out how to use it yet?


I use IBM AIX every day, so yeah, Linesux ain't exactly a challenge.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:09 AM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:36:24 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

A little while back some kids called at the door collecting unwanted
burners for charity.......


LOL

but only because I havent got a DVDRW at all (Im waiting until 8x

double-density is out)


You might as well wait until dual-layer is out (unless that's what you
meant).


Dual layer, yes.

and my trusty plextor 12x CDRW drive is starting to act like its
wearing a
brown sweater and slippers (ie. its not exactly 12x anymore)

Oops, er, what colour slippers exactly?


grey. with that square pattern.

The biggest mistake made in this country is thinking that it takes as
long for a far eastern country to get its act together as does over
here....


remember that company is half goldstar though.

in any case, I've had the misfortune of seeing a fair number of LG
drives - and I didnt like any of them.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:12 AM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Haven't you figured out how to use it yet?


I use IBM AIX every day


fx: falls over laughing

fx: reads post again

Bwhahahahaha.

fx: wipes tears from eyes

God you're funny.


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Glenn Booth January 29th 04 10:03 AM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
Hi,

In message , Stewart
Pinkerton writes
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:19:46 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

I take it you mean avoid Linux at all costs? Good advice..........


Now why would that be good advice?


Because it's used exclusively by sad lefty geeks.................


Oy! I resemble that remark! I've got a Linux box here, and I only
fit two of those criteria :-)

Admittedly, it only runs a firewall, NAT and DHCP services, it has no
monitor, no keyboard and no mouse, and I haven't actually touched it for
about two years, but I do have one running.

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

Glenn Booth January 29th 04 10:06 AM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
Hi,

In message , Ian Molton
writes
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Haven't you figured out how to use it yet?


I use IBM AIX every day


fx: falls over laughing

fx: reads post again

Bwhahahahaha.

fx: wipes tears from eyes

God you're funny.


If you think that's funny, next time you get on a plane remember that
National Air Traffic Services are still keeping air traffic on target
using PDP 11s at West Drayton.

--
Glenn Booth

Keith G January 29th 04 11:34 AM

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"Ian Molton" wrote


Oops, er, what colour slippers exactly?


grey. with that square pattern.



That's OK then. (close...!!)


The biggest mistake made in this country is thinking that it takes as
long for a far eastern country to get its act together as does over
here....


remember that company is half goldstar though.



Oh dear, that's just a little *British* isn't it?

Consider this by way of illustration: Soishiro Honda started off making
piston rings virtually by hand and strapping cement mixer engines to
bicycles. Now read the following closely (taken from Google)......

"Welcome to LG, one of the largest Korean companies. LG is Global leader in
chemicals, electronics, telecommunications, distribution, and finance. LG
Web ...
Description: A $73 billion business group with 120000 employees in 120
countries. Active in chemicals, electronics,..."

....... and join up the dots. Let the figures sink in and think about what
you have just said.....



in any case, I've had the misfortune of seeing a fair number of LG
drives - and I didnt like any of them.



No? OK, take a look at the US site (always look at the US and Japanese
versions of a multinational's websites to get an up-to-date picture of
what's going on) and see if they have anything to tempt you:

http://us.lge.com/products/models/cd...ves_index.html

nothing there takes your fancy? (I am using 2 different LG drives atm and
they both work perfectly fine.) While you're there, also go and take a look
at the monitor page:

http://us.lge.com/products/models/monitors_index.html

I was in the local computer shop the other day and they have an LG monitor
on the go - I thought it was absolutely stunning!

I'm not an LG employee and won't necessarily buy another LG product in my
life, but I'm alway very keen to try and balance up some the more ridiculous
prejudices that exist in this group......






Laurence Payne January 29th 04 12:45 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 08:08:57 +0000 (UTC),
(Stewart Pinkerton) wrote:

I use .wav, or .mp3 if you want them smaller.


Yeah. But which one has "beneficial consequences", and in what
circumstances?


For starters, .wav files are not compressed..............


The comma after" wav," makes a difference to the meaning... :-)

Laurence Payne January 29th 04 12:48 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:43:14 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Dormer's complaint with me is based on the SBLive! sound card which is now
totally obsolete.


They're still in the shops. And there are a lot of them in use.
That's not "totally obsolete" in my book.

Laurence Payne January 29th 04 12:49 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 03:54:43 +0000, "Nick J."
wrote:

For starters, .wav files are not compressed..............


Wrong.

.wav is a container format, just like .avi for "Video for Windows" and
.ogg for some types of open-source multimedia files (eg. audio encoded
with Vorbis, Speex, FLAC, and video encoded with Theora).


Yup. All sorts of things can hide behind the WAV extension.

But, in normal usage, WAV referrs to one of the uncompressed
varieties.

Laurence Payne January 29th 04 12:51 PM

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 08:26:24 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

.wav is a container format,


Correct, but I havent seen a compressed one, ever.


Oh, it happens. Lots. Renamed MP3 files, usually. I can't imagine
why people do it, but they do :-)

Mike Gilmour January 29th 04 01:13 PM

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...


I'm not an LG employee and won't necessarily buy another LG product in my
life, but I'm alway very keen to try and balance up some the more

ridiculous
prejudices that exist in this group......


Hear hear Keith. I've been using an LG DVD player for years, its given good
performance & perfectly reliable. Hell if it broke down tomorrow I'd still
think it was good value for money.

Mike



Arny Krueger January 29th 04 01:14 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
"Laurence Payne" wrote in
message
On Mon, 26 Jan 2004 21:43:14 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:


Dormer's complaint with me is based on the SBLive! sound card which
is now totally obsolete.


They're still in the shops. And there are a lot of them in use.
That's not "totally obsolete" in my book.


That's a choice you get to make. However consider that I found recent tests
of the Live! that basically agree with the older tests that Dormer made a
big stink about.

A piece of friendly advice - watch out for people like Dormer who post with
the "no archive" flag turned on. They do this to avoid taking resposibility
for what they say. Between switching posting name every fortnight to month,
and the use of the "no archive" flag it's almost impossible to hold Dormer
responsible for what he's said, even in the recent past.

IOW, Dormer is 100% troll, veneer of technology notwithstanding.



Ian Molton January 29th 04 02:49 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:34:26 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

nothing there takes your fancy? (I am using 2 different LG drives atm
and they both work perfectly fine.) While you're there, also go and
take a look at the monitor page:


Nope.

http://us.lge.com/products/models/monitors_index.html

I was in the local computer shop the other day and they have an LG
monitor on the go - I thought it was absolutely stunning!


Dont get me started! My university had several rooms (an entire floor
IIRC) kitted out in 15 and 17" LGs.

?Every day a different one had died. Utter garbage.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

Ian Molton January 29th 04 02:50 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:06:29 +0000
Glenn Booth wrote:

If you think that's funny, next time you get on a plane remember that
National Air Traffic Services are still keeping air traffic on target
using PDP 11s at West Drayton.


Nothing wrong with tried-and-tested. but AIX sucked.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

Ian Molton January 29th 04 02:52 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:14:04 -0500
"Arny Krueger" wrote:

Between switching posting name every fortnight to month,
and the use of the "no archive" flag it's almost impossible to hold Dormer
responsible for what he's said, even in the recent past.


no archive wont save anyone if you quote them.

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with ketchup.

Mike Gilmour January 29th 04 03:37 PM

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http://us.lge.com/products/models/monitors_index.html

I was in the local computer shop the other day and they have an LG
monitor on the go - I thought it was absolutely stunning!


Dont get me started! My university had several rooms (an entire floor
IIRC) kitted out in 15 and 17" LGs.

?Every day a different one had died. Utter garbage.

--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.


That's extremely bad! Have a go and guess MTBF ;-)



Keith G January 29th 04 03:58 PM

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"Ian Molton" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:34:26 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

nothing there takes your fancy? (I am using 2 different LG drives atm
and they both work perfectly fine.) While you're there, also go and
take a look at the monitor page:


Nope.

http://us.lge.com/products/models/monitors_index.html

I was in the local computer shop the other day and they have an LG
monitor on the go - I thought it was absolutely stunning!


Dont get me started! My university had several rooms (an entire floor
IIRC) kitted out in 15 and 17" LGs.

?Every day a different one had died. Utter garbage.



OK, we have different experiences then, but the last thing I did as a
'semi-retired (but not that old) fart' before we moved up here was spend a
year as Network Manager/Computer Technician at a Comprehensive School
running 120+ PCs and 4 different networks and all the usual ancillaries. I
saw every make of every different type of kit you can think of go tits up at
some time or another and also saw a lot of crappy looking kit running day in
and day out like good 'uns (including LG monitors).

Schools and Universities are hard places for IT gear, mebbe even harder than
an office environment (it's got more than a little to do with type of person
who's using it a lot of the time), but you are missing my point - you are
allowing past experience to prejudice your view of today's offerings from a
substantial company like it is incapable of correcting mistakes or improving
its products. There is something elsewhere about SB soundcards to this
effect atm and recently there was some traffic here about IBM Deskstar hard
drives going tits up (I had two of these go West myself). What's that then -
Creative Labs and IBM out the window now? Does LG get to be the size it is
by producing mountains of only ****e kit? - I don't think so.....

Believe me, if any of the 3 LG burners in use in my family crap out, I'll be
the first to bleat about it!

Anyway it's a shame because I've got this LG L3000H 30" (30" VIS) WXGA
Active Matrix TFT Color LCD Monitor I don't need any more and I was going to
offer it to you......

*ding dong*

Hang on a minute, there's some more kids at the door!

Guess what..........??

:-)





Keith G January 29th 04 04:01 PM

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"Mike Gilmour" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


I'm not an LG employee and won't necessarily buy another LG product in

my
life, but I'm alway very keen to try and balance up some the more

ridiculous
prejudices that exist in this group......


Hear hear Keith. I've been using an LG DVD player for years, its given

good
performance & perfectly reliable. Hell if it broke down tomorrow I'd still
think it was good value for money.



Exactly, you can only speak as you find.

In my case we had a (cheap) Sony VCR that was somewhat less than
impressive - didn't/doesn't make me think to condemn Sony as a
manufacturer......







Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 04:24 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:12:53 +0000, Ian Molton wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Haven't you figured out how to use it yet?


I use IBM AIX every day


fx: falls over laughing

fx: reads post again

Bwhahahahaha.

fx: wipes tears from eyes

God you're funny.


I like to keep the little people amused. I don't suppose you ride a
Triumph motorbike by any chance?

AIX seems to keep the Royal Bank of Scotland Group (slogan - tomorrow,
I *will* be master of this world) running quite happily, so it's
probably better than you'll ever need.............
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 04:24 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:34:26 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

I'm not an LG employee and won't necessarily buy another LG product in my
life, but I'm alway very keen to try and balance up some the more ridiculous
prejudices that exist in this group......


I have LG drives in my PC, standard issue with Evesham PCs, and they
work perfectly. I also have a massive American style LG fridge/
freezer, which is every bit as good as an Amana, at half the price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 04:24 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:06:29 +0000, Glenn Booth
wrote:

Hi,

In message , Ian Molton
writes
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:09:57 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

Haven't you figured out how to use it yet?

I use IBM AIX every day


fx: falls over laughing

fx: reads post again

Bwhahahahaha.

fx: wipes tears from eyes

God you're funny.


If you think that's funny, next time you get on a plane remember that
National Air Traffic Services are still keeping air traffic on target
using PDP 11s at West Drayton.


****! Now, that *is* scary, especially as I'm off to India for a
couple of weeks, tomorrow............. :-(
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 04:24 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:03:23 +0000, Glenn Booth
wrote:

Hi,

In message , Stewart
Pinkerton writes
On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 18:19:46 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:46:34 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

I take it you mean avoid Linux at all costs? Good advice..........

Now why would that be good advice?


Because it's used exclusively by sad lefty geeks.................


Oy! I resemble that remark! I've got a Linux box here, and I only
fit two of those criteria :-)

Admittedly, it only runs a firewall, NAT and DHCP services, it has no
monitor, no keyboard and no mouse, and I haven't actually touched it for
about two years, but I do have one running.


Admittedly, it's stable.......................
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:30 PM

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On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:37:35 -0000
"Mike Gilmour" wrote:

That's extremely bad! Have a go and guess MTBF ;-)


That was my last year, but I'd say about 15% of them were gone by the time I left (no, I didnt count them).

That was in one year as they were installed in that year.

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Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:41 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:58:20 -0000
"Keith G" wrote:

you are missing my point - you are
allowing past experience to prejudice your view of today's offerings from a
substantial company like it is incapable of correcting mistakes or improving
its products.


No, you point isnt lost on me, honest.

My monitor is an Iiyama Vision master Pro 400 (the previous was a VMpro 17 - I wish the later numbers meant what the earlier ones did!)

When I got my 17, I sent it back (poor convergence).

I sent the replacement back because the red gun was loose

I sent *its* replacement back because it wasnt sharp enough.

The fourth one... the fourth one... stayed up! (and didnt burn down or fall into the swamp). I think its 7 years old now, and when I had it (2 years of its life) it was on 24/7/365. My dad uses it now, and it still looks as good as the day I bought it (he uses it far less, though).

My 400 is the third I owned. (I sent the first two back for similar reasons to the original 17's).

Its been running for 5 years now, almost entirely 24/7/365 (displaying a picture the whole time - I never power it down as it takes too long for the picture to 'lock' in place from cold (I adjust mine to use every last phosphor smudge on the screen). And its only now starting to go downhill (not reliability, but the picture tube is gradually fading - its contrast is worsening, and it actually has burn-in of the task bar! not a common thing to see in a modern unit - gives some idea of the punishment it gets!)

I'd buy another Iiyama unit in a flash, partly because (once I do the QC guys job for him) they seem to be solid units, but mostly because the customer service has be *ABSOLUTELY* stunning - they did not argue (nor should they have) even once - and THEY paid all the postage!

If I could afford one of their 1600x1200 TFTs I'd have one *in a flash*.

LG on the other hand, almost *never* acknowledge faults, and, even when its proven to be their fault, they wont do the honourable thing (and this isnt just the recent drive failures under linux due to their non-compliance to the atapi spec).

Anyway it's a shame because I've got this LG L3000H 30" (30" VIS) WXGA
Active Matrix TFT Color LCD Monitor I don't need any more and I was going to
offer it to you......


Hehehe ;-)

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Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:42 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

I also have a massive American style LG fridge/
freezer, which is every bit as good as an Amana, at half the price.


If it ever breaks, let me know how the customer service is ;-)

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Ian Molton January 29th 04 08:44 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC)
Stewart Pinkerton wrote:

I like to keep the little people amused. I don't suppose you ride a
Triumph motorbike by any chance?


Nope. Werent they the ones that made aluminium castings so shoddy that
oil actually seeped THROUGH them ?

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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.

Stewart Pinkerton January 29th 04 10:16 PM

One for the Jitterbugs.
 
On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:52:36 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:24:41 +0000 (UTC), Stewart Pinkerton used
to say...

AIX seems to keep the Royal Bank of Scotland Group (slogan - tomorrow,
I *will* be master of this world) running quite happily, so it's
probably better than you'll ever need.............


They all appear to be NT around my part of the country. Including the
ATMs.


That's just the desktops.
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