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Gallons of Snake Oil
Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time
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Gallons of Snake Oil
Dave xxxx wrote:
Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html That old bunch of old chestnuts. I am tempted to check their accounts at companies house just to see how much that make out of the stuff. Ian |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html WOW a really cool crockclip (P.W.B. Quantum Clip ) and only £500. not inc postage. I wish I had thought of that !! but then again i dont think i could have written that much BS about it either. |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"chris" wrote in message ...
"Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html WOW a really cool crockclip (P.W.B. Quantum Clip ) and only £500. not inc postage. I wish I had thought of that !! but then again i dont think i could have written that much BS about it either. After reading through the site, I am convinced it is a spoof. Well I hope it is!!! |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"Stuart Stebbings" wrote in message om... "chris" wrote in message ... "Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html WOW a really cool crockclip (P.W.B. Quantum Clip ) and only £500. not inc postage. I wish I had thought of that !! but then again i dont think i could have written that much BS about it either. After reading through the site, I am convinced it is a spoof. Well I hope it is!!! nobody would put that much energy into a spoof, and its too ridiculous too, sadly most likely 'genuine' regards malcolm |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html from the Yahoo Group you can find a link to on the PWB site. SCAREY From: "P.W.B. Electronics" pwb@b... Date: Mon Feb 9, 2004 4:09 pm Subject: The Great Reef Knot. Gary, I am delighted that you have now had success with the Reef Knot technique. It pains me greatly to remember that it was as long as 16 years ago when certain British Hi Fi magazines published Peter's Reef Knot technique (with drawings even!). In today's culture of the magazines being so terrified of being ridiculed, I doubt whether they would have the courage to publish it now. And, I cannot help feeling that if they did publish it, they would make sure not to mention Peter Belt's name (because they would lay themselves open to the usual vitriolic attack from certain members of the audio profession) and the reef knot technique would come under a heading of "A Tweak" (which is a category used to put weird things which cannot be explained by conventional electronic or acoustic theories and so do not have to be taken so seriously by 'serious' audio engineers !!). What the audio industry is not appreciating is that very many of the so called 'tweaks' are actually telling the audio industry that there is something going on which affects the 'sound' but which cannot be explained by conventional electronic or acoustic theories. Let me expand a bit more. If you are hearing improvements in the sound by tying a reef knot in a cable, then this means that you are hearing additional information. If you hear improvements in the sound after tying a reef knot in curtain cords or the pull cords of curtain blinds, or in passive, unconnected electrical cables, then this also means that you are hearing additional information. But, you have not CREATED that additional information by tying the reef knot. You therefore have to ask the question "Where was all that additional information before I tied the reef knot ?" The sound does not get out of balance Gary when doing any of our techniques because you are not altering the actual audio signal nor are you altering the acoustic air pressure waves. So, even if you 'treat' the left hand speaker or the left hand speaker wire, or the left channel in the amplifier only, the improvement in the sound would not be left dominant. What you are altering is your (human being's) reaction and that reaction is neither predominantly left nor right !! I know what you mean Gary when you wish to link the reef knot into an explanation with a Newtonian basis (into already known science) and you, Andreas, with EMI filtering, in order to get Peter's techniques more widely accepted, but it does not fit there and therefore, when you think about it more seriously, you cannot stay with those easy explanations for long. Yes, it would be so much easier for Peter to gain acceptance if his discoveries could be fitted so neatly into conventional theories. As a skilled (and well respected) electronics engineer, Peter's journey these past twenty years would have been so much easier if he had been able to link any of his discoveries with conventional theories. Believe me, he has been down all those paths and come to a brick wall each time. Back to the question "Where has the additional information come from ?" If you tie a reef knot in a cable and improve the sound, and the reef knot is not altering the signal going through the cable, (and, obviously, it cannot be if the cable is unconnected and therefore not carrying a signal or if it is a pull cord made of STRING) this means that prior to tying the reef knot there must have been something adverse happening around that cable. Tying the reef knot has just reduced that adverse effect. Peter and I have always emphasised this from the very beginning. All the audio journalists who wrote regularly about Peter's techniques acknowledged this each time. Our techniques are not 'improving' the sound i.e. producing additional information, they are REDUCING adverse effects - which give the same result i.e. an improvement in the perception of the sound. What is so challenging to the audio industry is that if what we say is true, then all the additional information you are now hearing (after our 'treatments' or after tying the reef knots etc) has been there, in the room, all the time (and all the years) you have been playing the disc!! - you just have not been able to perceive it previously. And, in addition, this means that your existing audio equipment has been capable of (and is capable of more) handling a wealth of information - far more than anyone has ever realised. This is the concept the audio industry cannot come to terms with. Trying to stay within conventional theories to gain acceptance just allows the audio world to judder on without having their belief structure challenged. Within that scenario, our Foils, Creams, Ring Ties, Freezing etc, will still not be accepted or experimented with because they would still not make conventional sense. To bring in the Joseph Lister parallel again. Imagine 100 years ago, the majority of the doctors and surgeons believing that the micro-organisms which caused so many of their patients to develop septicaemia were in the patients own blood and that these micro-organisms could erupt (or not erupt) spontaneously - in other words it was purely chance. It is like somehow persuading these doctors and surgeons to apply an antiseptic gauze to their patients open wound, and that these doctors and surgeons found that more of their patients survived, but the doctors and surgeons were still allowed to retain the belief that their patients survival was still because of 'pure chance'. Whilst ever they were still being allowed to cling on to the old belief structure, they would never therefore acknowledge the necessity to wash their hands, wash their instruments or change their blood stained, pus stained frock coats for clean ones !! To understand antiseptics, you have to leave behind the old belief structure and realise Lister's concept that the 'germs are in the air' and that you have to do everything possible to exclude the air from getting into the open wounds. Peter demonstrated the Reef knot technique and all the other (what we call) free techniques to audio journalists to try to get them to realise just what range of things could affect the sound. Our own specially treated devices are much more effective because Peter realised, over 15 years ago, what must be happening and began to develop very special treatments for specific materials. I have been following the 'cable controversy' for the past 30 years, ever since the publication of Jean Hiraga's concept that different cables could give different 'sounds'. The controversy over cables is still raging today. What I find amazing is that all the audio journalists who review the different cables and 'hear' improvements in the sound of their audio system, do not end their review with the sentence "Wait one moment, wait one moment, there is something strange going on here. I must investigate further". They just do not seem to appreciate that when they hear improvements in the sound (i.e. hear additional information) by using the different (exotic?) cables, what the results of listening to the different cables are actually telling them is that the normal, standard, (non exotic) cabling and wiring throughout the audio system is also perfectly capable of 'handling' this additional information. It must be - otherwise the reviewer would not have been able to 'hear' that additional information coming out of the loudspeakers !! These last two sentence run counter to what the audio industry believe and to what the manufacturers of the different cables believe. They believe that the reason why the (exotic) cables give an improvement in the sound is because the (exotic) cable is 'handling' the audio signal better. I will try to expand on this theme in the forthcoming Newsletter. So, Andreas, a brief response There may be an electromagnetic wave travelling on the outside of a cable. Tying a reef knot in that cable may alter that electromagnetic wave (flip it somehow ?) But it does not necessarily mean that there is only one explanation - the conventional one - i.e. that any changes to the electromagnetic wave affect the signal going through the cable !! There is yet another explanation - that the human being is sensitive to the electromagnetic wave travelling along the outside of a cable, that the human being's reaction is an adverse one, that by tying a reef knot you (somehow) change that electromagnetic wave (flip it somehow ? - to an inverted pattern ?) so that the human being has less of an adverse reaction, is more relaxed and can therefore perceive more of the information available. That could be why the measurement engineers who try to measure the output of loudspeakers to see if they can detect (by measuring) if any (exotic) cable is actually 'handling' the signal better than the normal, standard cable cannot measure any differences. Similarly, if they 'measured' to see if there were any changes in the signal between a cable with a reef knot tied in it or without one, their measurements would be identical. Because the signal is not changing !! It is you (the human being) who is doing the changing. I am back to my old theme again. The earliest of early creatures must have been able to read/sense numerous energy patterns within their environment, in order to make sense of their environment, in order to know what action to take in order to survive - long before the senses of hearing and sight developed and that what was successful Nature has replicated again and again. If you are prepared to move away from conventional electronic and acoustic theories, tying reef knots in passive, unconnected, cables, in the string pull cords of window blinds, in the pull cord of the bathroom light etc, begins to become more understandable - as will so many of the so called 'tweaks' one reads about. One very good example is the colouring of the edge of a CD. Many people in the audio industry heard this improve the sound. Many others threw a 'wobbly' saying that it was impossible - digits are digits, they cannot be altered and they certainly cannot be altered by a coloured pen !! The explanation usually put forward for the improvement in the sound heard by many was that (somehow) the laser beam was being reflected or refracted by colouring the edge of the CD. But, this explanation again will not hold up under scrutiny because you can make a similar mark on the extreme edge of a vinyl record and on the outer edge of the plastic housing of an audio tape with a Violet/Purple pen and get a similar improvement in the sound as with colouring the edge of a CD - and there is no laser beam involved with either a vinyl record or with an audio tape. May ************************************************** *** * P.W.B. Electronics pwb@b... * http://www.belt.demon.co.uk http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PWB ************************************************** *** |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"malcolm" wrote in message news:VYHXb.309863$I06.3151715@attbi_s01... "Stuart Stebbings" wrote in message om... "chris" wrote in message ... "Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html WOW a really cool crockclip (P.W.B. Quantum Clip ) and only £500. not inc postage. I wish I had thought of that !! but then again i dont think i could have written that much BS about it either. After reading through the site, I am convinced it is a spoof. Well I hope it is!!! nobody would put that much energy into a spoof, and its too ridiculous too, sadly most likely 'genuine' regards malcolm Malcolm, sorry to inform you that this site is for real - -they actually sell that stuff. - - usually to the moronic and gullible The rest of us just laugh at it.. Chris |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"malcolm" wrote in message news:VYHXb.309863$I06.3151715@attbi_s01... "Stuart Stebbings" wrote in message om... "chris" wrote in message ... "Dave xxxx" wrote in message ... Never will you find more snake oil in one place at one time http://www.belt.demon.co.uk/product/product.html WOW a really cool crockclip (P.W.B. Quantum Clip ) and only £500. not inc postage. I wish I had thought of that !! but then again i dont think i could have written that much BS about it either. After reading through the site, I am convinced it is a spoof. Well I hope it is!!! nobody would put that much energy into a spoof, and its too ridiculous too, sadly most likely 'genuine' regards malcolm Not only that but some people are daft enough to buy the products as well - helped of course by recommendations in certain so-called 'hi-fi' mags. You figure out how putting aluminium foil under one foot of a turntable (or was it a CD player?) will improve the sound - but having said that there's always one, else he wouldn't be in business! I despair. -- Woody |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"malcolm" wrote in message news:G5IXb.309936$I06.3153275@attbi_s01... Very large snip to remove noise on bandwidth. please just don't encourage them. good luck with the purple pen on your LP's its quite sad really. |
Gallons of Snake Oil
"chris" wrote in message ... "malcolm" wrote in message news:G5IXb.309936$I06.3153275@attbi_s01... Very large snip to remove noise on bandwidth. please just don't encourage them. good luck with the purple pen on your LP's its quite sad really. a weird world |
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