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What difference to sound will over / under weighting a record deck
cartridge make?

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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:03:59 +0000 (UTC), Dan Abnormal
wrote:

What difference to sound will over / under weighting a record deck
cartridge make?

Poor sound.
Increased wear.

Kal

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Dan Abnormal wrote:
What difference to sound will over / under weighting a record deck
cartridge make?

Too little will result is mistracking, which may sound like a buzzing
distortion. Too much will push the coils in the cartridge out of its
linear range, and compress the suspension leading to assorted problems,
maybe a dull muted sound.

Why ?

--
Nick

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In article ,
Kurt Hamster wrote:
My hilarity is only tempered by my guilt. I realise it's bad form to
mock the afflicted, but please won't somebody help him out?

The poor sod's posting from Oz. Isn't that punishment enough?

--
*If we weren't meant to eat animals, why are they made of meat?

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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In article ,
Keith \Dingo Breath\ Garratt
wrote:
The poor sod's posting from Oz. Isn't that punishment enough?


I'll take Oz over that cesspool of an island any day. Brit ******s.

But we took it first. Then realised the mistake and gave it away.

You like living in a cast off?

--
*I started out with nothing, and I still have most of it.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 19:17:46 +0000 (GMT), Dave Plowman used
to say...

In article ,
Keith \Dingo Breath\ Garratt
wrote:
The poor sod's posting from Oz. Isn't that punishment enough?


I'll take Oz over that cesspool of an island any day. Brit ******s.

But we took it first. Then realised the mistake and gave it away.

You like living in a cast off?

And being descended from them?



Kurt, I'd just like to point out that this fairy is starting to get the
attention she's wanting and the crafty cow is hooking her replies into at
least three Oz groups - no doubt posting summat like 'watch me wind these
Pom ******* up' or such like......??

(Comes from replying to crossdressing/posting trolls in the first place
dunnit..........???? ;-)

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On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 17:35:07 -0000, "Keith \"Dingo Breath\" Garratt"
wrote:

I'll take Oz over that cesspool of an island any day

Shag, the last time I was over there it smelled like someone had done
exactly that.

- - -
On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 whilst lying for fun and profit again
Mike Burke dribbled:
"Nobody, repeat nobody, has ever tried to make asr-l a moderated forum."
However...
http://tinyurl.com/3hajj

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Well, what was a serious question seems to have been hijacked by a
load of kids winding each other up at the back of the class - not what
I expected here - grow up everybody, its not big or clever.

Anyway:

I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega
recommend a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after
initially balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

Playing through NAD PP2 / C350 by the way.

(Please don't start swearing and winding each other up again over
this).




On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 16:24:35 +0000, Kurt Hamster
wrote:

On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 14:06:31 -0000, Keith "Dingo Breath" Garratt used
to say...

Kurt Hamster wrote in
:

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 23:46:37 -0000, Keith "Dingo Breath" Garratt used
to say...

Nick Gorham wrote in news:402ff89d$0$9756
:

Dan Abnormal wrote:
What difference to sound will over / under weighting a record deck
cartridge make?

Too little will result is mistracking, which may sound like a
buzzing distortion. Too much will push the coils in the cartridge
out of its linear range, and compress the suspension leading to
assorted problems, maybe a dull muted sound.

Yes, yes either all of this or you STUPID ****S could quit wasting
your money and buy SACDs!

Just trying to help my 'mates back in the homeland!

I must comment here.

You just want someone to listen while your wife shags the neighbor.

That's gotta be better than my neighbour shagging my sheep.

I've been finding this ****wit's **** poor attempts at trolling
hysterical.

The poor ******* can't get a bite from anyone.

You did [ and have in the past;-) ].

Not a bite, just an observation on just how loust you are at this.

Come on folks, give some thought to this poor tosser's needs. He's
obviously needs attention but no-one will take the bait.

My hilarity is only tempered by my guilt.

Perhaps your guilt comes from a large part of your time on silliness.

My large part would be dealing with your missus, if you had one you
could keep.

Just thought I'd help out!;-))

Why thank you. I know the very way. Try ****ing off, that's work great.
So kind of you.

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"Dan Abnormal" wrote in message
...
Well, what was a serious question seems to have been hijacked by a
load of kids winding each other up at the back of the class - not what
I expected here - grow up everybody, its not big or clever.

Anyway:

I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega
recommend a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after
initially balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

Playing through NAD PP2 / C350 by the way.

(Please don't start swearing and winding each other up again over
this).



Oh dear, you certainly know how to get the best out of people don't you? -
You top-post, you have a stupid 'anonymouse' name, you barge into a
newsgroup (that is only kept alive by a few boisterous scallywags - just so
people like you can drop in once a decade to get a bit of free advice) with
a terse little question and then, failing to see the thread was hijacked by
a troll (how would you know? - you have zero track record in this group),
you then proceed to give us all a bollocking!

Priceless......

I don't know whether to a) simply to tell you to **** off, b) recommend you
post to uk.rec.audio.vinyl or c) ask why do you deliberately override the
manufacturer's recommendation and set your VTF too light?

I'll have a little think about it........

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In article ,
Dan Abnormal wrote:
I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega
recommend a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after
initially balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

Best way is to get a test record with different level tracks and set the
weight using that. It's pretty obvious when they're mistracking on steady
tone. But most makers figures tend to err on the low side, if anything.

--
*Organized Crime Is Alive And Well; It's Called Auto Insurance.

Dave Plowman London SW 12
RIP Acorn

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Dan Abnormal wrote:
Well, what was a serious question seems to have been hijacked by a
load of kids winding each other up at the back of the class - not what
I expected here - grow up everybody, its not big or clever.

Anyway:

I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega
recommend a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after
initially balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

I would also consider using (or borrowing) a stylus balance as well just
to be certain that the rega is telling you the truth.

You are unlikly to damage the cartridge with two low tracking, its the
records that will suffer from mistracking.

--
Nick

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In article , Dan Abnormal
wrote:


I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega recommend
a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after initially
balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

A low tracking force may be OK with records where the modulation (sound)
level is reasonably low. However with louder sounds the stylus may come out
of contact with the groove. The result may be distortion and excessive wear
due to the stylus leaping up out of the groove, and then back into contact
again. A low force may also allow the anlignment to move off the optimum
linearity of the transducer, so give more distortion for this reason.

Conversely, a high force may simply increase wear due to the pressure being
too high, and as above cause a distortion increase due to moving the
transducer out of of its most linear region.

Hence both distortion and wear can increase as a result of a low force as
well as the result of a high force. :-) There is no setting (once you are
playing the record) that will make both distortion and wear 'zero' when
liseting to music. Just a value that on average gives 'optimum' results.
Nor are the wear and distortion 'best' values guaranteed to co-incide. :-)

The best results will depend upon the 'anti skating force' as well as other
factors like the angular alignment of the cantilever, etc, etc. Playing an
LP with a stylus involves balancing a whole series of compromises.

As a result of all this, your setting may be fine, or it may not. Hard for
us to say! If it sounds OK - even with loud music - then it is probably OK.
But may not be optimum.

As Dave has indicated, the best way is to adjust using a test record,
although this isn't perfect, either. It would not surprise me to find that
your arm may not be accurately showing the correct value, nor would it
suprise me to find that the standard recommended value for your cartridge
turns out to be incorrect for your specific example, and the setup. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:34:01 -0000, "Keith \"Dingo Breath\" Garratt"
wrote:

Dan Abnormal wrote in
:

Well, what was a serious question seems to have been hijacked by a
load of kids winding each other up at the back of the class - not what
I expected here - grow up everybody, its not big or clever.

Anyway:

I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega
recommend a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after
initially balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

Playing through NAD PP2 / C350 by the way.

(Please don't start swearing and winding each other up again over
this).

I've got to agree with you this Danny Boy. I'm truly appalled at the
actions of the regulars of this group, truly disgraceful.

My advice? You stupid ****ing nit, buy a SACD player and SACDs. It's the
twenty-first century, you look like an idiot.

Cheers!


Read this with an aussie accent - then it made me smile :-)

Cheers yourself!

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On Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:23:07 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article , Dan Abnormal
wrote:


I've got a Rega P3 with an Elys cartridge. I thought it sounded a bit
dull, so tried backing the weight off a little with a positive result
(Ithink). I don't want to ruin the cartridge basically - Rega recommend
a tracking weight of 1.75g, I've got it set at 1.25g, after initially
balancing the arm as best I can. What do you guys think?

A low tracking force may be OK with records where the modulation (sound)
level is reasonably low. However with louder sounds the stylus may come out
of contact with the groove. The result may be distortion and excessive wear
due to the stylus leaping up out of the groove, and then back into contact
again. A low force may also allow the anlignment to move off the optimum
linearity of the transducer, so give more distortion for this reason.

Conversely, a high force may simply increase wear due to the pressure being
too high, and as above cause a distortion increase due to moving the
transducer out of of its most linear region.

Hence both distortion and wear can increase as a result of a low force as
well as the result of a high force. :-) There is no setting (once you are
playing the record) that will make both distortion and wear 'zero' when
liseting to music. Just a value that on average gives 'optimum' results.
Nor are the wear and distortion 'best' values guaranteed to co-incide. :-)

The best results will depend upon the 'anti skating force' as well as other
factors like the angular alignment of the cantilever, etc, etc. Playing an
LP with a stylus involves balancing a whole series of compromises.

As a result of all this, your setting may be fine, or it may not. Hard for
us to say! If it sounds OK - even with loud music - then it is probably OK.
But may not be optimum.

As Dave has indicated, the best way is to adjust using a test record,
although this isn't perfect, either. It would not surprise me to find that
your arm may not be accurately showing the correct value, nor would it
suprise me to find that the standard recommended value for your cartridge
turns out to be incorrect for your specific example, and the setup. :-)

Slainte,

Jim


Thanks to Dave, Nick and Jim for taking the time.

Dan