FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

"Dorothy Bradbury" wrote in message
...
I have to say (evil-minded sod that I am) that, for a moment, it looked
the
auction had been ended simply because the it looked like the bids
wouldn't
reach the 'Buy It Now' price and that ending the auction was an easy way
to
ensure a certain minimum price for the item without running the risk of
incurring 'Reserve Not Met' fees???

?? You are making a chain of assumptions all of which are wrong.


Er, no, Dorothy - I am 'assuming' nothing, I merely stated what it looked
like it 'might have been' to me......



o There was No Reserve on the auction
o There were 4 enquirers who all wanted to pay B-I-N

#1 - who was the first and won by the clock
---- they actually got the 2nd lower B-I-N price as I revised the auction
#2 - clicked Bid when they actually wanted B-I-N
---- they immediately emailed asking me to cancel their bid so they could
B-I-N
---- by the clock, their original bid was after the first buyer
#3 - wanted to B-I-N but first check shipping
---- non-mainland, so wanted to know shipping to Non-NIre-Postcode
#4 - wanted to B-I-N but would I use their chosen courier & they'd pay
original B-I-N
---- no-one at home, so Securicor Omega which I solely use is no use to
them
---- they have purchased from me before (UPS), and know I dislike
ParcelForce
---- they wanted ParcelForce24 who will redirect to a
collect-from-post-office

So the suggestion it wasn't going to reach the B-I-N price is wrong.
Your entitled to your opinion, but I am entitled to the truth.

I trust that clarifies - as does my feedback.



Your initial reply has already clarified the mystery of the (apparently)
remaining 'Buy It Now' and I said as much in my earlier response. I am
perfectly happy with that, although I still think it's a strange feature of
eBay - surely it would be better removed completely once an auction has been
ended? (Like you can still click on it, even now, in 'my eBay' even if it
only takes you to an 'auction ended' page!!!)

My point still remains that if goods are offered on eBay are also advertised
elsewhere it might be a good thing to make that known on the auction page.
All I can say is, having seen an auction start with a perfectly reasonable
bid (£62 on a starting bid of £59.99) and then see it pulled for no other
reason than "the item is no longer available for sale" I, for one, am hardly
encouraged to take your future auctions seriously. If I had been the bidder,
I would have been a bit miffed, I can tell you!

(But then what do I know? - I'm only a newbie eBayer with a dozen successful
bids so far, a 100% rating and all my Sellers paid within 30 minutes of the
auction end.....)

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

then see it pulled for no other reason than
"the item is no longer available for sale"

o *That is the only applicable choice Ebay offered*
o Ebay *did* offer the option of adding a more detailed reason
---- I selected that option
---- unfortunately *Ebay* failed to add it to the auction listing

Their technical support is investigating why that happened,
and have confirmed the error message I received was logged.
Any who have suffered Ebay over the years as they moved
from the buggy implementation on SunE10000 to the perhaps
more buggy IBM system are well aware of their "discontinuities".

o Bidders were advised by email of the reason
---- no bidder has replied citing any problem

You on the other hand posted:
repeat what I said in an earlier post, even the local 'shyster' hifi
dealer considers an item to be exclusively available to eBay while
the auction is in progress......

Interesting implication you are making.

Many items are commonly sold across multiple channels:
o Low interest / low-eyeball items in particular
---- vehicles, industrial items, real-estate
---- raw materials, commodities, auto parts
---- electronic components
o Used items which have limited appeal
---- any of the above mentioned
---- Used Hi-Fi in particular

Multiple channels may be online (3 online auctions in UK),
or offline (newsagent ad referring to Ebay site & phone number).

I am 'assuming' nothing, I merely stated what it looked
like it 'might have been' to me......

It looks to me like you are trying to slander me.
Interpretation is subjective, what happened is not.
--
Dorothy Bradbury

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

"Dorothy Bradbury" wrote in message
...
then see it pulled for no other reason than
"the item is no longer available for sale"

o *That is the only applicable choice Ebay offered*
o Ebay *did* offer the option of adding a more detailed reason
---- I selected that option
---- unfortunately *Ebay* failed to add it to the auction listing

Their technical support is investigating why that happened,
and have confirmed the error message I received was logged.
Any who have suffered Ebay over the years as they moved
from the buggy implementation on SunE10000 to the perhaps
more buggy IBM system are well aware of their "discontinuities".

o Bidders were advised by email of the reason
---- no bidder has replied citing any problem


Stop trying to baffle me with science - I have stated twice now that I can
see how the 'Buy It Now' option remained and have stated twice that it is
misleading, but have accepted your explanation. Your notification to the
bidders is obviously a good thing but didn't prevent me raising the original
query as all I could see (for the umpteenth time) was "The seller ended this
listing early because the item is no longer available for sale."....????



You on the other hand posted:
repeat what I said in an earlier post, even the local 'shyster' hifi
dealer considers an item to be exclusively available to eBay while
the auction is in progress......

Interesting implication you are making.


Do you think so?

Make of it what you please - I'm telling you *even* the local hifi dealer
(who is as sharp as a bagful of razor blades) said only a couple of days ago
that he considers it bad form to sell an item that he has up for auction on
eBay and I happen to agree with him.



Many items are commonly sold across multiple channels:
o Low interest / low-eyeball items in particular
---- vehicles, industrial items, real-estate
---- raw materials, commodities, auto parts
---- electronic components
o Used items which have limited appeal
---- any of the above mentioned
---- Used Hi-Fi in particular

Multiple channels may be online (3 online auctions in UK),
or offline (newsagent ad referring to Ebay site & phone number).

I am 'assuming' nothing, I merely stated what it looked
like it 'might have been' to me......

It looks to me like you are trying to slander me.
Interpretation is subjective, what happened is not.



Now it l looks like you are trying to intimidate me!!

:-)

If you think anything I've written is libellous (slander is incorrect here),
I suggest you print this thread out without delay and take it to your
solicitor.....

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

"Kurt Hamster" wrote in message
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On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:20:43 -0000, Keith G used
to say...

Your initial reply has already clarified the mystery of the (apparently)
remaining 'Buy It Now' and I said as much in my earlier response. I am
perfectly happy with that, although I still think it's a strange feature
of
eBay - surely it would be better removed completely once an auction has
been
ended? (Like you can still click on it, even now, in 'my eBay' even if it
only takes you to an 'auction ended' page!!!)

It's no more strange than the culture of "buy it now" and no facility to
bid. In effect eBay has become a shopfront rather than an auction house.



Quite and if all the other 'apparently normal' auctions are subject to
cancellation without notice because the item has been sold elsewhere, then
the whole thing becomes a bit pointless doesn't it.....??

'MayBe eBay'???

(And how long before Joe Public stops bothering? - I get the *one* auction
yanked out from under my feet and I'll probably never bother again!)

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

Examining emails from bidders/buyer/Ebay I can add:

In Summary:
o Auction was closed early due to request of earliest bidder agreeing to buy at B-I-N
o The highest bidder at auction close was *ALSO* the highest bidder

In Detail:
o Highest bidder agreed to buy at the B-I-N price on the advert
---- they requested I close the auction, which had no bids at that time
o Highest bidder then tried to B-I-N later on, but messed up operating Ebay
---- they couldn't get Ebay to work
---- they clicked on the wrong button, and entered a Bid-Now not B-I-N
---- they cancelled this and tried again to enter a B-I-N, but messed up the password
o Unfortunately at this point someone else bid on the item
---- Ebay rejected the B-I-N entry they made 1st on password & 2nd on not-permitted
---- so they tried to turn Bid-Now into B-I-N by bidding over the original B-I-N
---- this doesn't work
o So the original buyer emailed me to request I sell at the agreed price
---- I was already cancelling the auction at this stage, but had my cancel rejected
---- reason being that bids were being entered on the item in question
o On receipt of the original buyers email request, I did confirm a sale & end the
auction
---- thus it WAS sold to the highest bidder, who had entered a silly above B-I-N price
---- I cancelled the auction
---- I did not select "End-&-Sell-To-Highest-Bidder" since email addresses didn't match

Therein lies a problem with Ebay in buyers having different multiple email addresses,
and different "nicknames" for each address with no real name attached for continuity.

So the highest bidder DID win the auction and WAS the original buyer.

What is unclear:
o Timing shows I tried to cancel the auction before *either* bidder appeared
---- but Ebay rejected my requests re 1) identity problem & 2) password loop
o 1) identity problem - may be due to an NTL-Proxy problem
---- identity/session-cookie is lost, resulting in rejection of cancellations
o 2) password loop - a new problem, where the password entry screen repeats
---- correct password (& name) result in the password screen repeating forever

This identity problem may have affected the original purchaser, who said he
couldn't get Ebay to work earlier in the day. It is known some ISPs have a
Proxy problem preventing some Ebay functions from working.
o "Relist" will fail - if you do it under MyEbay or via Email notice
---- password is rejected at the password screen or rejected re session-id
o "Relist" will work - if you do it from the item's auction page
---- password goes thro fine

So the highest bidder by bid & the first bidder by time were the same.

Remains to be seen why I entered difficulty, not just the bidders.
--
Dorothy Bradbury

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrsuse)
 

Keith G wrote:
snip


(But then what do I know? - I'm only a newbie eBayer with a dozen successful
bids so far, a 100% rating and all my Sellers paid within 30 minutes of the
auction end.....)



I'll raise you the following...

1.. Driving 180 miles to collect and pay for item in 12 hours
2.. Driving 60 miles to collect and pay for item in two hours.
3.. Drove 40 miles to deliver an amp 4 hours after sale end.

I can't beat 30 mins though :-)

MrBitsy

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

"MrBitsy" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
snip


(But then what do I know? - I'm only a newbie eBayer with a dozen
successful
bids so far, a 100% rating and all my Sellers paid within 30 minutes of
the
auction end.....)



I'll raise you the following...

1.. Driving 180 miles to collect and pay for item in 12 hours
2.. Driving 60 miles to collect and pay for item in two hours.
3.. Drove 40 miles to deliver an amp 4 hours after sale end.


Jeez, Ray that's got to put you in line for some sort of award, surely?


I can't beat 30 mins though :-)



It ain't hard - I use Paypal.......!! ;-)


Now, if you've got that sort of time on yer hands and have got all the kit
you want, try this instead and get your picture on TVs all over the world:

Slap as many £100,000,000 'Maximum Bids' on as many auctions as you can
(hundreds/thousands of them with short breaks for some fresh air) and then,
when you get the Sellers email address on the Winning Bid Notifications,
email them all with:

"The bidder has ended this purchase early because the money is no longer
available for use."

OK, you'll get **** for it, but you can claim A Momentary Lapse Of Reason
and will doubtless get worldwide acclaim as the idea catches on with all the
cybernutters and malcontents out there which will almost certainly result in
the total collapse of the whole eeBy thing in, wot?, 48 hours??

(Just one person here crossposts a reply to this to RAO and eeBy's toast by
the weekend, I reckon!)

Me? - 2 more LPs this morning! I'm loving it - superb service from everyone
I've dealt with so far!

:-)

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrsuse)
 

Keith G wrote:
snip

almost certainly result in
the total collapse of the whole eeBy thing in, wot?, 48 hours??

Don't do that - I got just under 48 hours left on a scanner auction!


(Just one person here crossposts a reply to this to RAO and eeBy's toast by
the weekend, I reckon!)

Me? - 2 more LPs this morning! I'm loving it - superb service from everyone
I've dealt with so far!

:-)


Yeh, so far in 2 years of buying and selling I have yet to have a bad
experience.

MrBitsy.

FA/FS: Ebay - Pioneer PD-S901 - CD Player/Transport - MINT (40hrs use)
 

"MrBitsy" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
snip

almost certainly result in
the total collapse of the whole eeBy thing in, wot?, 48 hours??

Don't do that - I got just under 48 hours left on a scanner auction!



Scanner?

My son's got a scanner he doesn't want and I've just remembered I've got an
HP OfficeJet (scanner/fax/copier/printer) in the loft......

I think I'll have to get flogging some gear on eeBy before some **** shuts
it down!

:-)