Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need
to use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to
the problem?

thanks

N

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...
Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need to
use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to the
problem?

thanks

N

Shouldn't be a problem if you use a AV amp- set the Gallo's to small 120hz,
subwoofer to 120hz. Connect Micro's to AV amp, subwoofer to AV amp.

If you have a stereo system a bit more trickier...perhaps line level
crossover between the pre and power sections?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Unit_Specs.htm

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...

Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need to
use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to the
problem?

thanks

N


Shouldn't be a problem if you use a AV amp- set the Gallo's to small 120hz,
subwoofer to 120hz. Connect Micro's to AV amp, subwoofer to AV amp.

If you have a stereo system a bit more trickier...perhaps line level
crossover between the pre and power sections?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Unit_Specs.htm



The amp's an Arcam 10 but only in two channel mode - I haven't got the
DAVE module

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...
Nath wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...

Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need
to use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to the
problem?

thanks

N


Shouldn't be a problem if you use a AV amp- set the Gallo's to small
120hz, subwoofer to 120hz. Connect Micro's to AV amp, subwoofer to AV
amp.

If you have a stereo system a bit more trickier...perhaps line level
crossover between the pre and power sections?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Unit_Specs.htm

The amp's an Arcam 10 but only in two channel mode - I haven't got the
DAVE module

You could always get rid of the Micros, and get "real" speakers with better
bass frequency response and their own crossovers, removing the need to go
through a subwoofer crossover filter. Just go direct, and dial in the
subwoofer to slightly above/same/below speaker specifications, and adjust
gain as desired. For music sending full-range to standmounts is no problem.

The Rel Stadium is a great subwoofer, so you don't want to get rid of that.
How do you find the filter on it though? I have a Rel Storm and it lets
through much much higher frequency than it should do (ie setting to 40hz and
you can hear upper midrange/low treble from the cone) You could always
remove the amp panel, remove the speaker cable from the amp panel. Build a
new faceplate with just speaker terminals to fit over the hole. Buy a new
high quality amp panel with in/out crossover filter that's does filtering
properly. Put the amp panel someone on your racking, affix the speaker
outputs from the amp panel to your DIY sub panel.

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...

Nath wrote:

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...


Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need
to use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to the
problem?

thanks

N


Shouldn't be a problem if you use a AV amp- set the Gallo's to small
120hz, subwoofer to 120hz. Connect Micro's to AV amp, subwoofer to AV
amp.

If you have a stereo system a bit more trickier...perhaps line level
crossover between the pre and power sections?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Unit_Specs.htm

The amp's an Arcam 10 but only in two channel mode - I haven't got the
DAVE module


You could always get rid of the Micros, and get "real" speakers with better
bass frequency response and their own crossovers, removing the need to go
through a subwoofer crossover filter. Just go direct, and dial in the
subwoofer to slightly above/same/below speaker specifications, and adjust
gain as desired. For music sending full-range to standmounts is no problem.

The Rel Stadium is a great subwoofer, so you don't want to get rid of that.
How do you find the filter on it though? I have a Rel Storm and it lets
through much much higher frequency than it should do (ie setting to 40hz and
you can hear upper midrange/low treble from the cone) You could always
remove the amp panel, remove the speaker cable from the amp panel. Build a
new faceplate with just speaker terminals to fit over the hole. Buy a new
high quality amp panel with in/out crossover filter that's does filtering
properly. Put the amp panel someone on your racking, affix the speaker
outputs from the amp panel to your DIY sub panel.



The 'whole story':- The room in question is a 50 sq m
kitchen/conservatory and SWMBO is very keen to have invisible hi-fi. I
started off with two ceiling mounter Sonance Speakers which are fine but
lacked bass. Then I bought an early Stadium off ebay which really does
the job. The problem is that the conservatory end of the room is too
far away from the Sonances and so I was thinking of supplimenting them
with two "Small as Possible" speakers. The don't need any bass response
as the REL has plenty to go round.

SWMBO has approved the Gallos - hence my original question.

I agree with you about the REL - I can hear frequencies that are way
above what I expected but find the integration more gemtle if I keep the
cutoff frequency fairly high and the gain lower.

Where would I buy a "high quality amp panel with in/out crossover filter
that's does filtering properly"?

The hardware is all in a cupboard with Xantech remote repeaters so
appearance isn't too important.

thanks

Nick

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Where would I buy a "high quality amp panel with in/out crossover filter
that's does filtering properly"?

Hopefully a modern sub panel should have a better filter than the one
included in the Stadium. Rel admitted their early panels were very leaky,
and they gave me a quote for a Rel Storm panel at £400+ vat. yeah right!

Here's a typical new sub amp panel. Digital switching.
http://www.bkelec.com/Diy/DT300.htm

They've also got 500W mosfet model, but it doesn't have output filter.
http://www.bkelec.com/Diy/bsb500.htm

The Stadium is ported? You could look for a model with sub sonic filter
(removes frequencies below tune) If you can find out what the Rel's true
porting is, set the ss filter to that. It'll cut down porting/chuffing from
the port (if you currently notice that)

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/marchandsubsonic.htm

That box is still useful for other passive subs too.

Digital switch version has phono input/output jacks so should do output
filtering (remove LF) contact BK for more info.

I've been thinking about doing the same for my Rel Storm, since that's the
Rel is my "music" sub and it needs a clean filter (which it doesn't have)
and it's quite annoying with the HF leaking through. At least it's not too
expensive, and I can get a aluminium "fake" backplate done FOC by my brother
(metal workshop) :-)

You won't damage the original Rel sub panel, just remove it and store it
away.


The hardware is all in a cupboard with Xantech remote repeaters so
appearance isn't too important.

No problem with amp sub panel then. :-)

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...


SWMBO has approved the Gallos - hence my original question.

If you haven't actually bought them, you could consider the slightly
larger A'Diva which can be fed with a full range signal.

Neil

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...

Problem: My old Rel Stadium doesn't have a high pass filter, in fact it
has no outputs at all only one XLR input.

Anthony Gallo nucleus micro manual says "If you use a non-Anthony Gallo
sub-woofer that does not have a high pass crossover, then you will need to
use a passive high pass filter."

What sort of filter should I look for or are there other solutions to the
problem?

thanks

N


Shouldn't be a problem if you use a AV amp- set the Gallo's to small 120hz,
subwoofer to 120hz. Connect Micro's to AV amp, subwoofer to AV amp.

If you have a stereo system a bit more trickier...perhaps line level
crossover between the pre and power sections?

http://www.paradigm.com/Website/Site...Unit_Specs.htm




Anyone know where I can get a paradigm high-pass subwoofer control unit
in the uk?

Thanks

Nick

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Anyone know where I can get a paradigm high-pass subwoofer control unit
in the uk?

Thanks

Nick

AFAIK Richer Sounds are the sole distributor of Paradigm.

Work out which version you'll need, depending on your setup.

X-20 is speaker level
X-30 is line level

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
Anyone know where I can get a paradigm high-pass subwoofer control unit
in the uk?

Thanks

Nick


AFAIK Richer Sounds are the sole distributor of Paradigm.

Work out which version you'll need, depending on your setup.

X-20 is speaker level
X-30 is line level



Just been down to Richer sounds and was told "We haven't had anything to
do with Paradigm for over a year" they are still listed as the only UK
distributor on the Paradigm website

n

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...
Nath wrote:
Anyone know where I can get a paradigm high-pass subwoofer control unit
in the uk?

Thanks

Nick


AFAIK Richer Sounds are the sole distributor of Paradigm.

Work out which version you'll need, depending on your setup.

X-20 is speaker level
X-30 is line level

Just been down to Richer sounds and was told "We haven't had anything to
do with Paradigm for over a year" they are still listed as the only UK
distributor on the Paradigm website

n

Yeah thought so. Pretty crap aren't they?

Been given this link..

http://marchandelec.com/xovers.html

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
"Nick Brooks" wrote in message
...

Nath wrote:

Anyone know where I can get a paradigm high-pass subwoofer control unit
in the uk?

Thanks

Nick


AFAIK Richer Sounds are the sole distributor of Paradigm.

Work out which version you'll need, depending on your setup.

X-20 is speaker level
X-30 is line level

Just been down to Richer sounds and was told "We haven't had anything to
do with Paradigm for over a year" they are still listed as the only UK
distributor on the Paradigm website

n


Yeah thought so. Pretty crap aren't they?

Been given this link..

http://marchandelec.com/xovers.html



$799!!!! Shurley Shum Mishtake

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

The Milkman wrote:
"Nath" wrote:


Just been down to Richer sounds and was told "We haven't had anything to
do with Paradigm for over a year" they are still listed as the only UK
distributor on the Paradigm website


Always phone RS.. often saves a journey!! :-)


Yeah thought so. Pretty crap aren't they?


Stock-wise, can be. But when they DO have stock things go swimmingly.

IME!!!



----------
I Deliver.

STOP PRESS - EMAIL FORM RICHER SOUNDS:-

Dear Sir

Thank you for contacting Richer Sounds

Unfortunately we have ceased to retail the Paradigm range due to
availability and can no longer supply these

I can only apologise for the inconvenience that this may cause

Yours Sincerely

Chris

Richer Sounds Customer Services

Rel Stadium and Anthony Gallo Micro
 

Nath wrote:
Where would I buy a "high quality amp panel with in/out crossover filter
that's does filtering properly"?


Hopefully a modern sub panel should have a better filter than the one
included in the Stadium. Rel admitted their early panels were very leaky,
and they gave me a quote for a Rel Storm panel at £400+ vat. yeah right!

Here's a typical new sub amp panel. Digital switching.
http://www.bkelec.com/Diy/DT300.htm

They've also got 500W mosfet model, but it doesn't have output filter.
http://www.bkelec.com/Diy/bsb500.htm

The Stadium is ported? You could look for a model with sub sonic filter
(removes frequencies below tune) If you can find out what the Rel's true
porting is, set the ss filter to that. It'll cut down porting/chuffing from
the port (if you currently notice that)

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/marchandsubsonic.htm

That box is still useful for other passive subs too.

Digital switch version has phono input/output jacks so should do output
filtering (remove LF) contact BK for more info.

I've been thinking about doing the same for my Rel Storm, since that's the
Rel is my "music" sub and it needs a clean filter (which it doesn't have)
and it's quite annoying with the HF leaking through. At least it's not too
expensive, and I can get a aluminium "fake" backplate done FOC by my brother
(metal workshop) :-)

You won't damage the original Rel sub panel, just remove it and store it
away.



The hardware is all in a cupboard with Xantech remote repeaters so
appearance isn't too important.


No problem with amp sub panel then. :-)


Doeas anybody know what the audio quality of the BK sub amp is like?

Which of the two set up's below would be better, and what should go in
the box marked ???



1
______ ______
| | | |
In | Pre | | P |____________()
____| Amp | | O |____________() Sonance Symphony 623SSTR
| | | W |
| | | E |____________()
| | | R |____________() Gallo's NM
|______| |______|
| |
| |
 | |
___|__ |
| | | 80Hz line level
| X-30 |_________|
|______|
|
|
| 80Hz Line level
|
| ________ ________
|_________| | Speaker level | |
| ??? |___________________| REL |
 |________| |________|

2

______ ______
| | | |
In | Pre | | P |____________() Symphony 623SSTR
____| Amp | | O |____________() Sonance
| |_____| W |
| | | E |
| | | R |
|______| |______|
|
|
 |
___|__
| BK | 80Hz speaker level
| sub |_________()
| amp |_________() Gallos
|______|
|
|
| 80Hz Speaker level
|
| ________
| | |
|______________________________________| REL |
 |________|