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I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I was
just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from valves to a
ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three different DACs - again
sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again, sounded the same. I tried some
floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways. Sounded exactly the same. Turned on the
subwoofer - sounded exactly the same. I had to keep turning back to the
beginning of the track because it's only 4m33secs long. Tripped over the left
speaker cable and pulled it out the back of the amp. Sounded exactly the same.
I tried listening from a different room - it sounded exactly the same. Now this
is the amazing bit - I switched off the whole hi-fi and it sounded exactly the
same. Well, that's not strictly true - I felt the blackness of the backgound
had a more velvety feel.

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Andy Evans wrote:

I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I
was just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from
valves to a ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three different
DACs - again sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again, sounded the
same. I tried some floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways. Sounded exactly
the same. Turned on the subwoofer - sounded exactly the same. I had to
keep turning back to the beginning of the track because it's only 4m33secs
long. Tripped over the left speaker cable and pulled it out the back of
the amp. Sounded exactly the same. I tried listening from a different room
- it sounded exactly the same. Now this is the amazing bit - I switched
off the whole hi-fi and it sounded exactly the same. Well, that's not
strictly true - I felt the blackness of the backgound had a more velvety
feel.

Pity you forgot to turn it on.

Ian
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Ian Bell

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"Ian Bell" wrote in message
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Andy Evans wrote:

I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I
was just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from
valves to a ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three
different
DACs - again sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again, sounded the
same. I tried some floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways. Sounded exactly
the same. Turned on the subwoofer - sounded exactly the same. I had to
keep turning back to the beginning of the track because it's only
4m33secs
long. Tripped over the left speaker cable and pulled it out the back of
the amp. Sounded exactly the same. I tried listening from a different
room
- it sounded exactly the same. Now this is the amazing bit - I switched
off the whole hi-fi and it sounded exactly the same. Well, that's not
strictly true - I felt the blackness of the backgound had a more velvety
feel.

Pity you forgot to turn it on.


He didn't need to turn it - he probably zipped a two second clip of the
music through his spectrum analyzer. Tells you all you need to know.....
;-)

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"Andy Evans" reported...

I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I
was
just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from valves
to a
ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three different DACs -
again
sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again, sounded the same. I tried
some
floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways. Sounded exactly the same. Turned on
the
subwoofer - sounded exactly the same. I had to keep turning back to the
beginning of the track because it's only 4m33secs long. Tripped over the
left
speaker cable and pulled it out the back of the amp. Sounded exactly the
same.
I tried listening from a different room - it sounded exactly the same. Now
this
is the amazing bit - I switched off the whole hi-fi and it sounded exactly
the
same. Well, that's not strictly true - I felt the blackness of the
backgound
had a more velvety feel.


I tried that, but found I had an increased sense of background noise. It
sounded almost as if I was listening to the sound of distant traffic.

I tried repositioning all the furniture in the room, removing the carpets,
then replacing them and adding thick wall hangings. This didn't help.

The only thing that made a difference was fitting triple glazing. Oh, and
adding a pipe and slippers. . . . and a Labrador. A black one.

_______
Geoff B

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On 24 Oct 2004 16:28:48 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I was
just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from valves to a
ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three different DACs - again
sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again, sounded the same. I tried some
floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways. Sounded exactly the same. Turned on the
subwoofer - sounded exactly the same. I had to keep turning back to the
beginning of the track because it's only 4m33secs long. Tripped over the left
speaker cable and pulled it out the back of the amp. Sounded exactly the same.
I tried listening from a different room - it sounded exactly the same. Now this
is the amazing bit - I switched off the whole hi-fi and it sounded exactly the
same. Well, that's not strictly true - I felt the blackness of the backgound
had a more velvety feel.

Ah, I see the problem. You''ll find that this piece has much better
definition and low-level detail on CD. After all, the whole point of
that piece is hall ambience and audience interaction, which you simply
won't hear properly via valves 'n vinyl!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Andy Evans wrote:
I think Stewart is on to something with acoustical transparency here. I
was just playing a piece by John Cage on the hi-fi and I swapped from
valves to a ss amp. Sounded exactly the same. I swapped in three
different DACs - again sounded the same. I tried nine cables - again,
sounded the same. I tried some floorstand speakers instead of 2 ways.
Sounded exactly the same. Turned on the subwoofer - sounded exactly the
same.

You can't hear the difference between speakers etc when listening to a
room or hall ambience?

You'd not make a pro. This is often used as a quick preliminary check on
the characteristics of a microphone before even rehearsals start.

You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters - if this ever needed conformation.

One of my most used wild tracks consists of about 100 people sitting in a
court room doing near enough nothing - and certainly not talking...

--
*Proofread carefully to see if you any words out or mispeld something *

Dave Plowman London SW
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You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33


Did I see that dickhead make some remark about recording 'ambience'?

Must be for 'digital' - 'ambience' is one the areas in which vinyl trounces
CD for 'listening quality'....

(So that says a fair bit, dunnit....??? :-)

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Did I see that dickhead make some remark about recording 'ambience'?

No, actually Stewart's dead right there - 4'33 is all about ambience. I must
have a poor recording of it.................... Andy

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On 25 Oct 2004 09:40:37 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33

We all know that piece, and it sounds very different on vinyl and CD,
as you would expect, and also very different depending on where it is
performed. Hence the comment above. You seem predictably unable to
understand the subtleties of music reproduction.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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Stewart Pinkerton wrote:
You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33

We all know that piece, and it sounds very different on vinyl and CD,
as you would expect, and also very different depending on where it is
performed. Hence the comment above. You seem predictably unable to
understand the subtleties of music reproduction.

I'm sad to say that such obvious comments as these are even needed.

All these people with magic ears that can tell one amplifier stand from
another - but not notice different ambience. Beggars belief.

Ten minutes in a decent dubbing suite repairing location recordings would
soon kick some sense into them.

--
* I like you. You remind me of when I was young and stupid

Dave Plowman London SW
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Ten minutes in a decent dubbing suite repairing location recordings would soon
kick some sense into them.

SP - fifteen minutes draining the sump of a Spitfire would sort out the wimps
from the men
DP - twenty minutes piecing together The Rite of Spring from two inch pieces of
tape on the cutting room floor would show them what a real engineer can do.
SP - thirty minutes crossing the Atlantic in a Spitfire feselage would show
them - no fekkin doubt about that
DP - forty minutes taking apart a Studer, cleaning every screw in Brasso and
putting it back together blindfold would sort out that idle lot of valveys
SP - fifty minutes going round the world suspended from 25 model aeroplanes
would sort the men from the boys.
DP and SP together - an HOUR of reading our posts with matchsticks in their
eyes would sort them out - aye no doubt about that! They'd give in to a man.

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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:37:57 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33


Did I see that dickhead make some remark about recording 'ambience'?

Must be for 'digital' - 'ambience' is one the areas in which vinyl trounces
CD for 'listening quality'....

(So that says a fair bit, dunnit....??? :-)

Actually no, you need digital to capture the *true* ambience of the
hall. Never confuse that with the phasey 'echo chamber' crap you get
off vinyl, where all halls sound the same.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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On 25 Oct 2004 19:34:34 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

Ten minutes in a decent dubbing suite repairing location recordings would soon
kick some sense into them.

SP - fifteen minutes draining the sump of a Spitfire would sort out the wimps
from the men

Ten seconds - dry sump design. Or did you mean the car? Never took
more than a minute.

DP - twenty minutes piecing together The Rite of Spring from two inch pieces of
tape on the cutting room floor would show them what a real engineer can do.

Who's DP? And that's *so* easier with digital.

SP - thirty minutes crossing the Atlantic in a Spitfire feselage would show
them - no fekkin doubt about that

I estimate that to be around Mach 9, so even the fuselage would have
melted............................

DP - forty minutes taking apart a Studer, cleaning every screw in Brasso and
putting it back together blindfold would sort out that idle lot of valveys

Damn right!

SP - fifty minutes going round the world suspended from 25 model aeroplanes
would sort the men from the boys.

I think you'd need a centripetally accelerated low earth orbit for
that - the fuel cost would be horrific!

DP and SP together - an HOUR of reading our posts with matchsticks in their
eyes would sort them out - aye no doubt about that! They'd give in to a man.

Damn right!
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:37:57 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Andy Evans" wrote in message
...
You may mean it as a joke, but that's rather brought into question your
pronouncements on other matters

Check Cage 4m33


Did I see that dickhead make some remark about recording 'ambience'?

Must be for 'digital' - 'ambience' is one the areas in which vinyl
trounces
CD for 'listening quality'....

(So that says a fair bit, dunnit....??? :-)

Actually no, you need digital to capture the *true* ambience of the
hall. Never confuse that with the phasey 'echo chamber' crap you get
off vinyl, where all halls sound the same.


Er, can you not see the 'most used' bit in this:

"One of my most used wild tracks consists of about 100 people sitting in a
court room doing near enough nothing - and certainly not talking..."

???

Hardly looks like it could possibly the 'true ambience' of anything but the
*original location*, don't it...???

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Iain M Churches wrote:
Not if they were Studer C37's or J37's.
They were valve machines, and consequently now the
most sought after.

Probably because they're the rarest. A80/800 and B62s were used in vast
numbers in broadcasting - C37s somewhat of a rarity outside the top
recording studios.

--
*Acupuncture is a jab well done.*

Dave Plowman London SW
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