Hi,

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Keith G wrote:

Me much-loved stereo tuners are emitting a terrible, continual
interference these days (both of them) which I can't tune out. I've
been mono for a while now (don't bother me - I like mono)


You *like* mono??


Valves guys like that Steve :-)

I'll take good mono over bad stereo every time!

--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

"Glenn Booth" wrote in message
...
Hi,

In message , Dave xxxxx
writes
DAB sounds worse than FM wrote:
Keith G wrote:

Me much-loved stereo tuners are emitting a terrible, continual
interference these days (both of them) which I can't tune out. I've
been mono for a while now (don't bother me - I like mono)


You *like* mono??


Valves guys like that Steve :-)

I'll take good mono over bad stereo every time!


Absolutely agreed!

I've got a good number of 50s Jazz records in mono and *nobody* ever notices
it's mono!! (Gave one such to Nick G - Lionel Hampton at the Apollo, IIRC)

:-)

Keith G wrote:


Absolutely agreed!

I've got a good number of 50s Jazz records in mono and *nobody* ever notices
it's mono!! (Gave one such to Nick G - Lionel Hampton at the Apollo, IIRC)

Yep, and I still listen to it, thanks :-)

--
Nick

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
It's a long shot I know, but does anyone have any experience of 'The
Bug'??
http://www.thebug.com/

'Sound quality', build quality etc.???


Buggy and ****e ergonomics, so I'm told.


OK. (Not encouraging....)



Me much-loved stereo tuners are emitting a terrible, continual
interference these days (both of them) which I can't tune out. I've
been mono for a while now (don't bother me - I like mono)


You *like* mono??


Yep -especially a nice big 'phantom mono' hanging between the speakers!!

If stereo is done well it can be blinding but it's very often buggered up -
presumably by bored mixing engineers? (See recent posts about 'wafting
pianos'....) Mono radio is just an 'ingrained' thing with me I suppose....?


snip excellent links - all bookmarked now


Thanks for the info and to *all* who responded.

OK, I'm taking it as a bit of a 'thumbs down' all round and I've decided to
make a bit more effort with internal aerials on the FM tuners and have
already got a clean mono but not a hiss-free stereo yet. If I can get the
aerials tacked up tidily I'll stick with FM - I've tried DAB and didn't like
it much and can get hold of a Freeview box although I don't much fancy
buggering about with one of them and no picture to see what I'm doing....

I guess I was tempted by the SD card recording and them little blue LED
eyes........

;-)

Hi,

In message , Keith G
writes

"Glenn Booth" wrote in message
...

I'll take good mono over bad stereo every time!


Absolutely agreed!

I've got a good number of 50s Jazz records in mono and *nobody* ever notices
it's mono!! (Gave one such to Nick G - Lionel Hampton at the Apollo, IIRC)

I've got one of your Lionel Hampton LPs on at the moment, as it happens.
Perdido (I think - can't be bothered moving to find the cover) in
glorious mono, and it's great (I must be enjoying it - wifey keeps
asking me to turn it down).

To be honest, I probably only spend 10% of the time I have music on
really 'listening'. The other 90% is musical wallpaper (it's better than
the telly, after all) and stereo doesn't really count for much when I'm
five feet from one speaker and nine feet from the other.
--
Regards,
Glenn Booth

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 18:46:48 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

What in the UK?...


Well they say it was a "fire" but they can't agree quite where the fire
was. Some reports say it was 80 metres up the mast, others say it was at
the base.

I don't buy the 80 metres up the mast, but the bottom of the mast maybe.
It seems a feeder cable caught light, or so they say.....
--
Tony Sayer

Not the UK - much worse. I was up a 70 metre guyed mast in Kuwait -
the guy ropes were all loose and it was blowing a gale. Every time the
wind blew from another direction the mast would topple that way and
jerk to a stop as the guy rope came taut.

I don't have a climbing ticket any more, so that is my excuse over
here.


(Sneaky bugger's got under my radar...... :-)

Hmmm....

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Well they say it was a "fire" but they can't agree quite where the
fire
was. Some reports say it was 80 metres up the mast, others say it
was at
the base.

I don't buy the 80 metres up the mast, but the bottom of the mast
maybe.
It seems a feeder cable caught light, or so they say.....
--
Tony Sayer


An interesting thought.

The pics on Mike Brown's site seem to indicate that the mast came down
in something like a straight line? If the faire had caused a guy to
fail at the bottom mount (say 150ft) then the bottom section would
have been pulled out in the opposite direction. The rest of the tower
would have come straight down probably up or close to the second guy
point before toppling over, but surely the would still have been some
flexure, not the near straight that it looks to be.

If the fire was right at the base and the feeders had got hot and
caused twisting which made the bottom section drop from its (ball?)
mount, then again surely there would have been so bending.

Agreed the guys are not designed to take the weight of the tower, only
hold it up and stop it moving about, but unless some of the guys
snapped (which implies poor maintenance) then there must have been
some other cause.

That Mr Bin-Liner has got a lot to answer for!

--
Woody



PS
Ironically, I understand the collapsing mast missed the ntl: building
and fell straight on the Crown Castle accommodation!

In article , harrogate2
writes

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
[snip]

Well they say it was a "fire" but they can't agree quite where the
fire
was. Some reports say it was 80 metres up the mast, others say it
was at
the base.

I don't buy the 80 metres up the mast, but the bottom of the mast
maybe.
It seems a feeder cable caught light, or so they say.....
--
Tony Sayer


An interesting thought.

The pics on Mike Brown's site seem to indicate that the mast came down
in something like a straight line? If the faire had caused a guy to
fail at the bottom mount (say 150ft) then the bottom section would
have been pulled out in the opposite direction. The rest of the tower
would have come straight down probably up or close to the second guy
point before toppling over, but surely the would still have been some
flexure, not the near straight that it looks to be.

If the fire was right at the base and the feeders had got hot and
caused twisting which made the bottom section drop from its (ball?)
mount, then again surely there would have been so bending.

Agreed the guys are not designed to take the weight of the tower, only
hold it up and stop it moving about, but unless some of the guys
snapped (which implies poor maintenance) then there must have been
some other cause.


It stands on the ball mount. Looking at some other piccys that aren't
in circulation as yet I can see why the police are appealing for further
info, as some things don't seem to stack up as they ought;(

That Mr Bin-Liner has got a lot to answer for!

Who knows?...

--
Woody



PS
Ironically, I understand the collapsing mast missed the ntl: building
and fell straight on the Crown Castle accommodation!

Yes they built them to last in those days. As you can see for the latest
offerings on MB21 there isn't that much building damage....


http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/peterbo...rborough04.asp

--
Tony Sayer

Keith G wrote:


OK, I'm taking it as a bit of a 'thumbs down' all round and I've
decided to make a bit more effort with internal aerials on the FM
tuners and have already got a clean mono but not a hiss-free stereo
yet.


Try a directional aerial, if the signals you want to receive come from
the same approximate direction, and the higher the aerial the better
(there's an equation that relates received signal strength to aerial
height) and on the roof is better than indoors (to save the attenuation
incurred by the signal travelling through walls/windows.

If you put an aerial on the roof and amplify it as close to the aerial
as possible, you could then distribute the signal around the house.


If I can get the aerials tacked up tidily I'll stick with FM -


If you're using a wire aerial stuck to the wall near your hi-fi, then
it's very likely that you could significantly improve your FM reception
just by getting a single-element aerial and moving it to where reception
is better with the same room. I bought a single-element dipole from
Maplins to replace the wire aerial and put the new aerial on my
windowsill, and reception improved significantly. The reason is that
inside a room there's a lot of multipath (the signals are all reflecting
off walls and interfering with each other), so just the fact that you've
got more flexibility as to where you position the aerial allows you to
improve reception compared to being constrained by the wire aerial
making you put the aerial within a few feet of your hi-fi.


I've tried DAB and didn't like it much


Indeed.


and can get hold of a Freeview
box although I don't much fancy buggering about with one of them and
no picture to see what I'm doing....


If you can borrow a portable TV just to set it up, then you could get
one of these:

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr...m#humax_f2foxt

which has an LED channel number display, and it's really quick to
remember which radio station is on which channel number. You'd very
likely be able to store a favourites list, so that you could press up
channel or down channel to flick quickly between the stations you do
listen to and not have to land on Smash Hits....


I guess I was tempted by the SD card recording and them little blue
LED eyes........


Why don't you use your PC for recording? Miles better than using SD
cards IMO.


--
Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info

Freeview receivers price comparison -
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm
DAB radios price comparison -
http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm

"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote


snip good stuff - note taken


Not so good again today - summat's not right with FM hereaboots. It's been
like it for a month or so, so it's nowt to do with the P'bro mast.

I'm not ruling out DAB at this stage but I don't think I want a Freeview box
if it's going to be a pain to use. Is there any chance that DAB
transmissions will ever improve in the future?? (OK, thought not.....)


Why don't you use your PC for recording? Miles better than using SD cards
IMO.


Those SD card are not expensive any more (my camera uses them) - I could see
myself using them like tapes and the radio has a timer all built in.
Depending on the bitrate you get about a minute per Meg - ie I hour prog on
a 64 card. The trouble with using the PC (perfectly doable - all ready to
go) is that you have to, er, use the PC....!!! Ie not too convenient - once
you've recorded a programme you can play it like a CD (jab a button to go,
pause, stop....)

We'll see.... :-)