In article ,
New Geoff m.gjb SPHERICAL wrote:
Not one of you has posted anything to say that you have looked at
whether there might be any effects as originally described. None of you
have cited any evidence or research which denies the possibility that
the observed effects might actually have some basis.

You've not been concentrating. Jim LeSurf has given one possible
explanation.

--
*Suicidal twin kills sister by mistake.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I have to say in fairness to Jim, Don and Dave, that they suggested a number of
things, including ways I could test this. that was courteous and helpful of
them, and I'm grateful . They also pointed out that if they were to treat it
seriously as a claim, I should provide certain kinds of evidence, not just
measured but aural as long as I was not sighted. I think all this is perfectly
fair. I hadn't initially thought of making anything more than an observation -
you are quite correct there - but since the observation was counter intuitive
it's not surprising that there was a sceptical reaction (I did say in advance
that I thought this was paradoxical). I found this thread valuable in looking
at the process of evaluation in audio, so I'm grateful for all the comments
made. Being my usual stubbornly questioning self, I have to report that the
CD-ROM is currently bolted to a piece of alu held in a vice on the floor and
supported in front with a tennis ball. Next step - a small marble chopping
board to bolt it to. The motor vibrates quite a bit - possibly this may have an
effect on error correction. It has been pointed out that a CD-ROM reads binary
code perfectly adequately even allowing for its internal vibration, but I
suppose it could also be said that it was designed to be bolted to a fairly
inert computer to do so. I suspect it would read binary data anyway. Whatever
the outcome, I'm having a look at various things in case there is a positive
effect. Certainly one of my designer friends seems to think there is something
in this. Andy

=== Andy Evans ===
Visit our Website:- http://www.artsandmedia.com
Audio, music and health pages and interesting links.

"Don Pearce" said...

Geoff ; you want a conversation - learn some manners.

I've sat here watching you all tear into someone who simply asked whether
anyone else had observed anything that fell in line with his own findings.

Not one of you showed any manners, or sensitivity for his feelings.

But if I upset your terribly sensitive emotions, then I'm sorry. Please
don't go and cry to your mummy - it was only words.


Or then again - grow up. You were happy enough to join in with the bullying
horde. I didn't see you showing any manners.

Now, when you want a conversation, don't jump down someone's throat when
they suggest something slightly outside the range of your peers' approval.

________
Geoff B

"Dave Plowman (News)" said...
In article ,
New Geoff m.gjb SPHERICAL wrote:
Not one of you has posted anything to say that you have looked at
whether there might be any effects as originally described. None of you
have cited any evidence or research which denies the possibility that
the observed effects might actually have some basis.

You've not been concentrating. Jim LeSurf has given one possible
explanation.

Umm - apart from the fact that whatever explaination might have been
proffered not having appeared on my newsservers, he is vastly outnumbered by
the 'anti' posters who offered no evidence whatsoever.

One out of about 50 does not constitute a fair and balanced critique, if the
other 49 where just issuing knee-jerk reactions.

_______
Geoff B

"New Geoff" m.gjb SPHERICAL wrote in message

"Don Pearce" said...

Geoff ; you want a conversation - learn some manners.

I've sat here watching you all tear into someone who simply asked
whether anyone else had observed anything that fell in line with his
own findings.

Nice job of whitewashing the true facts.

"New Geoff" m.gjb SPHERICAL wrote in message

"Dave Plowman (News)" said...
In article ,
New Geoff m.gjb SPHERICAL wrote:
Not one of you has posted anything to say that you have looked at
whether there might be any effects as originally described. None
of you have cited any evidence or research which denies the
possibility that the observed effects might actually have some
basis.

You've not been concentrating. Jim LeSurf has given one possible
explanation.

Umm - apart from the fact that whatever explaination might have been
proffered not having appeared on my newsservers, he is vastly
outnumbered by the 'anti' posters who offered no evidence whatsoever.

What sort of evidence is required to overcome self-aggandizing pronouncments
based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

Andy Evans wrote:

Being my usual stubbornly questioning self,

If anything was noticed by your posts here its that you were stubbornly
*un*questioning.

I have to report that the
CD-ROM is currently bolted to a piece of alu held in a vice on the floor and
supported in front with a tennis ball.

WTF?

Next step - a small marble chopping board to bolt it to.

Why ruin a perfectly good chopping board?

The motor vibrates quite a bit - possibly this may have an
effect on error correction. It has been pointed out that a CD-ROM reads binary
code perfectly adequately even allowing for its internal vibration, but I
suppose it could also be said that it was designed to be bolted to a fairly
inert computer to do so.

You must be joking. have you ever *heard* the racket a typical bargain
bucket PC makes when reading a disc at over 16x?

I suspect it would read binary data anyway.

Its hardly likely to start reading trinary...

Certainly one of my designer friends seems to think there is something
in this.

How come you guys always have a 'designer friend' ?

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:40:45 +0000 (UTC), "New Geoff" m.gjb SPHERICAL
wrote:

Not one of you has posted anything to say that you have looked at whether
there might be any effects as originally described. None of you have cited
any evidence or research which denies the possibility that the observed
effects might actually have some basis.

********. Several of us have direct experience with such devices, and
we simply pointed out that the 'effect' he was describing was
vanishingly unlikely. We also told him *exactly* how to check if it
was indeed real, and he signally failed to attempt any such
investigation. There is of course no research into non-existent
effects. First, prove that something is *really* happening, *then*
look for a cause.

All I've seen is a stream of "that doesn't fit with what I've read, and I
can't see any immediately obvious reason for it, so it must be wrong".

Then you have been reading very selectively.................

Now, why have I just had this sudden recall of the telephone engineer who
was laughed out of the War Office in 1940, and independantly developed the
computer that co-ordinated England's radar defences . . . .???

Because you're a bigoted cretin?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 10 Nov 2004 20:09:05 GMT, ohawker (Andy
Evans) wrote:

I have to say in fairness to Jim, Don and Dave, that they suggested a number of
things, including ways I could test this. that was courteous and helpful of
them, and I'm grateful . They also pointed out that if they were to treat it
seriously as a claim, I should provide certain kinds of evidence, not just
measured but aural as long as I was not sighted. I think all this is perfectly
fair. I hadn't initially thought of making anything more than an observation -
you are quite correct there - but since the observation was counter intuitive
it's not surprising that there was a sceptical reaction (I did say in advance
that I thought this was paradoxical). I found this thread valuable in looking
at the process of evaluation in audio, so I'm grateful for all the comments
made. Being my usual stubbornly questioning self, I have to report that the
CD-ROM is currently bolted to a piece of alu held in a vice on the floor and
supported in front with a tennis ball. Next step - a small marble chopping
board to bolt it to. The motor vibrates quite a bit - possibly this may have an
effect on error correction. It has been pointed out that a CD-ROM reads binary
code perfectly adequately even allowing for its internal vibration, but I
suppose it could also be said that it was designed to be bolted to a fairly
inert computer to do so. I suspect it would read binary data anyway. Whatever
the outcome, I'm having a look at various things in case there is a positive
effect. Certainly one of my designer friends seems to think there is something
in this. Andy

Why have you never just ripped the files to a PC and verified that
something is really happening, instead of pratting around with things
you obviously don't understand? That's what your 'designer friend'
should be advising you to do.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:59:51 +0000 (UTC), "New Geoff" m.gjb SPHERICAL
wrote:


"Don Pearce" said...

Geoff ; you want a conversation - learn some manners.

I've sat here watching you all tear into someone who simply asked whether
anyone else had observed anything that fell in line with his own findings.

He was told what was most likely, he was advised how best to check his
'observation' against reality, and he steadfastly refused to do
*anything* remotely likely to solve his little riddle. After that, you
don't expect politeness.............

Not one of you showed any manners, or sensitivity for his feelings.

**** off, whiner.

But if I upset your terribly sensitive emotions, then I'm sorry. Please
don't go and cry to your mummy - it was only words.

Or then again - grow up. You were happy enough to join in with the bullying
horde. I didn't see you showing any manners.

Bullying horde? Please explain how you can assemble a 'bullying horde'
on a Usenet newsgroup. ****.

Now, when you want a conversation, don't jump down someone's throat when
they suggest something slightly outside the range of your peers' approval.

Andy hasn't done anything but make wild claims and refuse to
investigate reality. He's now gone off to **** about with vibration
control, a subject he clearly doesn't understand, without bothering to
check if he even has a real problem to start with.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering