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I would be very grateful for some advice about what may happen to my FM
radio reception when eventually it is decided to switch everything (or almost all) to DAB. At present I have a Beocentre 2200 to which I know I will either have to fit internally or externally a FM aerial. When the DAB system finally takes over, and I suppose my favourite programmes (Radio 3/4/Classic & Jazz FM) switch to this, how will I be able to access them without buying a totally new & updated system? Is there some sort of magic Gizmo or converter that B & O has or is planning (or indeed any other firm) that will enable me to listen to my favourite programmes - and possibly access those already available such as BBC7 ? At present I do not have a Digital TV. Advice appreciated. -- Derry Barbour http://www.arts-info.co.uk |
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In article , Derry Barbour
writes I would be very grateful for some advice about what may happen to my FM radio reception when eventually it is decided to switch everything (or almost all) to DAB. I really wouldn't worry about it at all. It will be a very long time yet before FM is switched off. In fact FM has never been so popular with broadcasters. OFCOM, those who give out the broadcast licences are scraping the barrel in some locations for spectrum for further services and for each service there are numerous applicants. Even when and "if" they do its got to be to a totally new radio as even current DAB units won't tune over band 2 thats where FM now is (87.5 to108) so a totally new radio and system will be called for then. Anyways, look at medium and long wave, still chugging along since Marconi was a lad;) At present I have a Beocentre 2200 to which I know I will either have to fit internally or externally a FM aerial. You should have an external aerial connected to this in any case. When the DAB system finally takes over, and I suppose my favourite programmes (Radio 3/4/Classic & Jazz FM) switch to this, how will I be able to access them without buying a totally new & updated system? Is there some sort of magic Gizmo or converter that B & O has or is planning (or indeed any other firm) that will enable me to listen to my favourite programmes - and possibly access those already available such as BBC7 ? At present I do not have a Digital TV. Your not missing much then, the picture is still better on analogue as is the radio, FM over DAB!..... Advice appreciated. -- Tony Sayer |
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Derry Barbour wrote:
I would be very grateful for some advice about what may happen to my FM radio reception when eventually it is decided to switch everything (or almost all) to DAB. snipped At present I do not have a Digital TV. Advice appreciated. read item on my site then follow link to another site http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dab.htm I doubt that DAB will come in as fast as they want Germany has stopped building DAB transmitters and some transmissions have stopped They have some of the higher quality output as well. A freeview box plugged into tv do a download of whats on in your area then deleat tv channels then plug into your pre amp much better quality Classical FM is only decent channel missing Dave www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk Music is Art - Audio is Engineering Steam is Fun |
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Dave xxxx wrote:
Classical FM is only decent channel missing Local radio is also missing - not a real fan of it but it's essential for finding out what schools are shut due to poor boiler maintenance... -- We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom! |
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Tim S Kemp wrote:
Dave xxxx wrote: Classical FM is only decent channel missing Local radio is also missing - not a real fan of it but it's essential for finding out what schools are shut due to poor boiler maintenance... Fingers crossed my kids school keeps going this year, our main problem is we and the school on top of hill so we can get there but no other buggers can get up the hill Schools name "Hilltop" :-) -- Dave www.davewhitter.myby.co.uk Music is Art - Audio is Engineering Steam is Fun |
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"Dave xxxx" wrote in message
. .. Derry Barbour wrote: I would be very grateful for some advice about what may happen to my FM radio reception when eventually it is decided to switch everything (or almost all) to DAB. snipped At present I do not have a Digital TV. Advice appreciated. read item on my site then follow link to another site http://www.davewhitter.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dab.htm I doubt that DAB will come in as fast as they want Germany has stopped building DAB transmitters and some transmissions have stopped They have some of the higher quality output as well. A freeview box plugged into tv do a download of whats on in your area then deleat tv channels then plug into your pre amp much better quality Classical FM is only decent channel missing It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1 Quite a number of satellite receivers provide a digital audio output. So far I have found very little HiFi equipment that will accept a digital input. - Suggestions welcome. I assume that the DAC in a HiFi system would be better than I am likely to find in a satellite receiver. To my mind satellite is quite an acceptable medium for HiFi transmissions, since HiFi equipment is typically in a fixed location, and there is room for plenty of bandwidth! -- Michael Chare |
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Michael Chare wrote:
It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1 Bayern Klassik is 256kbps as well. I've uploaded a recording that someone sent me if anybody is interested: http://83.142.53.30/~digital/bayern_...56k_sample.mp2 (19 MB) Quite a number of satellite receivers provide a digital audio output. So far I have found very little HiFi equipment that will accept a digital input. - Suggestions welcome. A cheap way to get a DAC is to get a Sony Minidisc player, make sure there's no MD disc in the player, press record, and it goes into DAC-mode, if the MD player has a digital audio input, obviously, but I'd imagine all, or virtually all of Sony's do. I assume that the DAC in a HiFi system would be better than I am likely to find in a satellite receiver. That's a pretty safe bet. To my mind satellite is quite an acceptable medium for HiFi transmissions, since HiFi equipment is typically in a fixed location, and there is room for plenty of bandwidth! It's just a pity that the BBC don't want to increase the bit rates of their services, despite the fact that they've got 200 Mbps of capacity at their disposal on satellite, with about 80 Mbps being used for the different regions of BBC1 and 40 Mbps being used for BBCi, while the BBC network radio stations (e.g. all the ones on the BBC DAB mux) have to get by with just 2 Mbps. Obviously, the BBC could easily increase the radio stations bit rates to provide good audio quality without affecting anything else (you wouldn't miss 0.6 Mbps off the 80 Mbps of BBC1 bandwidth), but they choose to provide lowish bit rates, almost certainly to minimise the difference between DAB and satellite. See: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/#p...lite_bit_rates -- Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm |
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It's just a pity that the BBC don't want to increase the bit rates of their services, despite the fact that they've got 200 Mbps of capacity at their disposal on satellite, with about 80 Mbps being used for the different regions of BBC1 and 40 Mbps being used for BBCi, while the BBC network radio stations (e.g. all the ones on the BBC DAB mux) have to get by with just 2 Mbps. Obviously, the BBC could easily increase the radio stations bit rates to provide good audio quality without affecting anything else (you wouldn't miss 0.6 Mbps off the 80 Mbps of BBC1 bandwidth), but they choose to provide lowish bit rates, almost certainly to minimise the difference between DAB and satellite. See: I think your time would be better spent campaigning for Satellite rates to be upped for serious listening use, and leave DAB to the portable and "couldn't give a toss about the sound" market!.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message
... In article , Michael Chare Munderscor writes Classical FM is only decent channel missing It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1 Yep excellent except that Radio 3 and Classic FM are over on ASTRA at 28.2 east whilst Bayern and HR are on ASTRA 19.2 bit of a bummer but nowt two LNB's and an offset arm and Diseq switch won't sort out:) Get another on Hotbird at 13 east and even more comes out of the wood work. France Musique even, at 256 K BBC please note...some hope.. France Musique is also on Astra1 - I dont know the bit rate - or how to find what the bit rate is! Quite a number of satellite receivers provide a digital audio output. So far I have found very little HiFi equipment that will accept a digital input. - Suggestions welcome. Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room.. Thanks. However there is still a lot of snobbishness around having a satellite dish. Our neighbour loves Jazz and when I told him that he could get around 3 good Jazz stations on sat, he looked downcast when I told him he would "have" to have a dish!..... People associate satellite TV with Sky (and maybe football). Not helped by the BBC 'how to get satellite' web page which says 'call sky'. (Not such a bad deal if you dont mind the phone connection). There are very few satellite equipment shops. Very little advertising of the Non sky options and what there is tends to be for porn. -- Michael Chare |
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In article , Michael Chare Munderscor
writes "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Chare Munderscor writes Classical FM is only decent channel missing It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1 Yep excellent except that Radio 3 and Classic FM are over on ASTRA at 28.2 east whilst Bayern and HR are on ASTRA 19.2 bit of a bummer but nowt two LNB's and an offset arm and Diseq switch won't sort out:) Get another on Hotbird at 13 east and even more comes out of the wood work. France Musique even, at 256 K BBC please note...some hope.. France Musique is also on Astra1 - I dont know the bit rate - or how to find what the bit rate is! Yes it is!.. Whoops... Quite a number of satellite receivers provide a digital audio output. So far I have found very little HiFi equipment that will accept a digital input. - Suggestions welcome. Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room.. Thanks. However there is still a lot of snobbishness around having a satellite dish. Our neighbour loves Jazz and when I told him that he could get around 3 good Jazz stations on sat, he looked downcast when I told him he would "have" to have a dish!..... People associate satellite TV with Sky (and maybe football). Not helped by the BBC 'how to get satellite' web page which says 'call sky'. (Not such a bad deal if you dont mind the phone connection). There are very few satellite equipment shops. Very little advertising of the Non sky options and what there is tends to be for porn. Quite.... -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote:
It's just a pity that the BBC don't want to increase the bit rates of their services, despite the fact that they've got 200 Mbps of capacity at their disposal on satellite, with about 80 Mbps being used for the different regions of BBC1 and 40 Mbps being used for BBCi, while the BBC network radio stations (e.g. all the ones on the BBC DAB mux) have to get by with just 2 Mbps. Obviously, the BBC could easily increase the radio stations bit rates to provide good audio quality without affecting anything else (you wouldn't miss 0.6 Mbps off the 80 Mbps of BBC1 bandwidth), but they choose to provide lowish bit rates, almost certainly to minimise the difference between DAB and satellite. See: I think your time would be better spent campaigning for Satellite rates to be upped for serious listening use, and leave DAB to the portable and "couldn't give a toss about the sound" market!.... AKA the Poundstretcher brigade... -- Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm |
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Michael Chare wrote:
"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , Michael Chare Munderscor writes Classical FM is only decent channel missing It is however available by satellite. There are also a couple of good German stations: Bayern 4 Klassik and HR Klassik on Astra 1 Yep excellent except that Radio 3 and Classic FM are over on ASTRA at 28.2 east whilst Bayern and HR are on ASTRA 19.2 bit of a bummer but nowt two LNB's and an offset arm and Diseq switch won't sort out:) Get another on Hotbird at 13 east and even more comes out of the wood work. France Musique even, at 256 K BBC please note...some hope.. France Musique is also on Astra1 - I dont know the bit rate - or how to find what the bit rate is! I saved these pages to disc, but the website's not there any more, so I don't know if the bit rates are still correct, but it's listed as 192kbps: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/As..._Bit_Rates.htm Also see: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/Ho..._Bit_Rates.htm However there is still a lot of snobbishness around having a satellite dish. Our neighbour loves Jazz and when I told him that he could get around 3 good Jazz stations on sat, he looked downcast when I told him he would "have" to have a dish!..... People associate satellite TV with Sky (and maybe football). Not helped by the BBC 'how to get satellite' web page which says 'call sky'. (Not such a bad deal if you dont mind the phone connection). There are very few satellite equipment shops. Very little advertising of the Non sky options and what there is tends to be for porn. ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change the general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers crossed... -- Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm |
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:58 +0000, tony sayer
wrote: Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room.. .... but with all those LEDs, the Behringer DAC (I am assuming you are referring to the SRC2496) saves tuning the living room lights on. :^) One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not selected. -- Chris Isbell Southampton, UK |
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In article , Chris Isbell
writes On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 21:50:58 +0000, tony sayer wrote: Err No not really;( Audiolab do a nice DAC but thats not cheap Behringer do a Rackmount one but that doesn't look that good in the living room.. ... but with all those LEDs, the Behringer DAC (I am assuming you are referring to the SRC2496) saves tuning the living room lights on. :^) Yes thats the one. One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not selected. Can't say I've noticed it, but I haven't really used it much apart from some conversions of loud compressed stuff. I'll have a look at mine on the analyser and report back:) -- Tony Sayer |
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tony sayer wrote:
One 'problem' I noticed with the Behringer DAC is that it puts out a lot of RF noise - so much so that I can see a considerable change in my amplifier output on a 'scope even when the DAC input is not selected. Can't say I've noticed it, but I haven't really used it much apart from some conversions of loud compressed stuff. I'll have a look at mine on the analyser and report back:) In common with all Behringer stuff, it's a little noisy and a little rough but good value for money... ie cheap! -- We are the keepers of the sacred words: Ni, Pang, and Ni-wom! |
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"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message
... I saved these pages to disc, but the website's not there any more, so I don't know if the bit rates are still correct, but it's listed as 192kbps: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/As..._Bit_Rates.htm Also see: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/Ho..._Bit_Rates.htm Thanks, I've made a copy ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change the general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers crossed... Mine two, although I can at least receive ITV via terrestrial analogue. I can't get Channel 5 terrestrial analogue, any terrrestrial digital, and Channel 5 satellite is encrypted, and possibly likely to remain so. -- Michael Chare |
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Michael Chare wrote:
"DAB sounds worse than FM" wrote in message ... ITV look like they're going to sever their ties with Sky's encryption and go free-to-air, which would make a BBC-led Freesat platform feasible, although it'll take quite a bit of advertising to change the general public's perception that satellite = Sky. Fingers crossed... Mine two, Both of them? ;) although I can at least receive ITV via terrestrial analogue. I can't get Channel 5 terrestrial analogue, any terrrestrial digital, and Channel 5 satellite is encrypted, and possibly likely to remain so. Personally, I think a BBC/ITV-led Freesat platform is going to happen and C4/E4 and five will end up on it too. Something like 87% of all Freeview viewing comprises of people watching the big 5 channels, whereas on Sky they've got hundreds of channels and usually a fair bit of premium content to choose from, so the big 5 channels would be far better off having as many people with Freeview and Freesat as possible, because otherwise their viewing figures will just continue falling. -- Steve - www.digitalradiotech.co.uk - Digital Radio News & Info Find the cheapest Freeview, DAB & MP3 Player Prices: http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/fr..._receivers.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/da...tal_radios.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...rs_1GB-5GB.htm http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/mp...e_capacity.htm |
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