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Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?



 
 
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Old March 13th 05, 11:16 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article TO6NLSQA38424.7975694444@anonymous,
Andre Jute wrote:
There is no problem in making up a pair. They are numbered in sequence.
Many were sold in pairs originally. In any event, they were built to
ferocious quality


Matched pairs referred to the wood trims - not the performance.

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Old March 14th 05, 03:14 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
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: In article TO6NLSQA38424.7975694444@anonymous,
: Andre Jute
wrote:
: There is no problem in making up a pair. They are
numbered in sequence.
: Many were sold in pairs originally. In any event, they
were built to
: ferocious quality
:
: Matched pairs referred to the wood trims - not the
performance.
:
: --
: *Everyone has a photographic memory. Some don't have film
*
:
: Dave Plowman
London SW
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Everyone should get the Quad expert here, Phil Allison, to
tell you how *HE* went about buying second hand Quad 63s.
Yes he tried very hard to get sequential frame numbers only
to find out later how there was 6dB difference in SPLs. He
then had to sue the second hand dealer and it took him
nearly 12 months to get his money back.

So "Caveat Emptor" and "try before you buy". Two very good
bits of advice.

Cheers TT


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Old March 14th 05, 10:02 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article TO6NLSQA38424.7975694444@anonymous,
Andre Jute wrote:
There is no problem in making up a pair. They are numbered in sequence.
Many were sold in pairs originally. In any event, they were built to
ferocious quality


Matched pairs referred to the wood trims - not the performance.


Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a demo
of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it with an
early sample and the resultant display of a square wave replayed 'thro
it and the phase cancellation when the wave was switched out of phase.

Very impressive
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Old March 14th 05, 10:08 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?


"tony sayer"


** He says - posting totally out of CONTEXT !!!!!!!


Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a demo
of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it with an
early sample and the resultant display of a square wave replayed 'thro
it and the phase cancellation when the wave was switched out of phase.




** The context is the old ESL57 - dick wad.

Not the ESL63 !!!



............. Phil


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Old March 14th 05, 10:21 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a demo
of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it with an
early sample and the resultant display of a square wave replayed 'thro
it and the phase cancellation when the wave was switched out of phase.




** The context is the old ESL57 - dick wad.


I was talking about the '57.

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Old March 14th 05, 10:46 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
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"Dave Plowman (News)"
Phil Allison


Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a demo
of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it with an
early sample and the resultant display of a square wave replayed 'thro
it and the phase cancellation when the wave was switched out of phase.



** The context is the old ESL57 - dick wad.


I was talking about the '57.




** That test was only done routinely with the ESL63 - manufactured since
1982.

ESL 57s were never so consistent .

Your story is fake.




................. Phil





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Old March 14th 05, 11:44 AM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
tony sayer
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article , Phil Allison
writes

"tony sayer"


** He says - posting totally out of CONTEXT !!!!!!!


Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a demo
of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it with an
early sample and the resultant display of a square wave replayed 'thro
it and the phase cancellation when the wave was switched out of phase.




** The context is the old ESL57 - dick wad.

Not the ESL63 !!!



............ Phil



Sorry Mr Allison sir;( most 'umble apologies meant the 63!, how should I
do me penance ?, grill cloth and ashes fer a week will that be OK?, or
do you need some further appeasement?.

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Old March 14th 05, 10:10 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Well FWIW I was over at the Quad factory some years ago and saw a
demo of taking any stat off the production line and comparing it
with an early sample and the resultant display of a square wave
replayed 'thro it and the phase cancellation when the wave was
switched out of phase.



** The context is the old ESL57 - dick wad.


I was talking about the '57.




** That test was only done routinely with the ESL63 - manufactured
since 1982.


ESL 57s were never so consistent .


Well, apart from those before and after the power supply mods, Walker said
they were. And I've had wildly varying serial numbers sent back for
overhaul and had them come back sounding the same. And *he* told me
matching pairs referred to the woodwork.

YMMV.

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Old March 14th 05, 11:44 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
Phil Allison
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?


"Dave Plowman (News)"


** That test was only done routinely with the ESL63 - manufactured
since 1982.


ESL 57s were never so consistent .


Well, apart from those before and after the power supply mods, Walker said
they were.



** Got a tape recording of that have you ???

Even if you did - it does not constitute information about ESL 57s.



And I've had wildly varying serial numbers sent back for
overhaul and had them come back sounding the same.



** Yawn - more unsupported assertions involving you.


And *he* told me matching pairs referred to the woodwork.



** Got a tape recording of that have you too ???





............... Phil





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Old March 15th 05, 12:36 PM posted to rec.audio.tubes,uk.rec.audio
Dave Plowman (News)
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Default Quad ESLs - 57 or 63?

In article ,
Phil Allison wrote:
Well, apart from those before and after the power supply mods, Walker
said they were.


** Got a tape recording of that have you ???


No - it was an off the record conversation after an IBS meeting he'd been
invited to.

Even if you did - it does not constitute information about ESL 57s.


It's good enough for me.

And I've had wildly varying serial numbers sent back for
overhaul and had them come back sounding the same.


** Yawn - more unsupported assertions involving you.


Considering each and every one was quality checked after repair I don't
find it unsupported? Have you ever visited the Quad factory and had
speakers repaired while you waited? Because I have, on more than one
occasion, when they offered that service.

And *he* told me matching pairs referred to the woodwork.


** Got a tape recording of that have you too ???


See above.

Wonder what it is about this group that attracts some of the rudest
people on the net?

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