Hi,

Has anyone heard of this US Loudspeaker Cable manufacturer?(
www.zucable.com ) I was speaking to a friend who uses their "Wax" cable and
he couldn't praise them enough, he says his Wax out performs his now
disowned Kimber Kable 8TC.

I'm intrigued! Is there anybody in the UK who uses ZU cable? Your info will
be greatly received.

Mark.

Mark & Mel wrote:

Has anyone heard of this US Loudspeaker Cable manufacturer?(
www.zucable.com ) I was speaking to a friend who uses their "Wax"
cable and he couldn't praise them enough, he says his Wax out
performs his now disowned Kimber Kable 8TC.

I'm intrigued!

Don't be - he's been drinking snake oil by the gallon.


Is there anybody in the UK who uses ZU cable? Your
info will be greatly received.

No, we use ordinary copper and spend the savings on CDs.


--
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On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:54:27 +0100, "Mark & Mel"
wrote:

Has anyone heard of this US Loudspeaker Cable manufacturer?(
www.zucable.com ) I was speaking to a friend who uses their "Wax" cable and
he couldn't praise them enough, he says his Wax out performs his now
disowned Kimber Kable 8TC.

Tell him to stop drinking that snake oil, it's bad for your hearing!

I'm intrigued! Is there anybody in the UK who uses ZU cable? Your info will
be greatly received.

It's wire, dude, and wire is wire, no matter what the price or the
fancy packaging. In purely technical terms, Kimber 8TC is superior to
almost anything on the market - but it still *sounds* the same as
ordinary 12 AWG 'zipcord'.

I've had a look at the Zu site, and it's a classic scam. They don't
give any proper specifications for the cable, the remarks about
directionality and burn-in are total bull****, and the rest of the
blurb reeks of purest snake oil. You'll get *exactly* the same sound
from 13 amp mains cable at a hundredth of the price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

I don't know about this ZU stuff, but if someone can't hear the difference
between at least some speaker cables then they must either have low
resolution audio equipment or little ability to listen to the various
strands and acoustic of music or just the luck not to have picked a poor
cable. It's some time since I compared speaker cables but a few years back
there were night and day differences on my system with 3 types I bought and
various ones I made up. Now, interconnects I could believe, differences are
much smaller compared to speaker cables. With headphone extension cables
we're back to night and day differences, I had to make one myself to get a
non-screwed up sound.



"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 28 May 2005 17:54:27 +0100, "Mark & Mel"
wrote:

Has anyone heard of this US Loudspeaker Cable manufacturer?(
www.zucable.com ) I was speaking to a friend who uses their "Wax" cable
and
he couldn't praise them enough, he says his Wax out performs his now
disowned Kimber Kable 8TC.

Tell him to stop drinking that snake oil, it's bad for your hearing!

I'm intrigued! Is there anybody in the UK who uses ZU cable? Your info
will
be greatly received.

It's wire, dude, and wire is wire, no matter what the price or the
fancy packaging. In purely technical terms, Kimber 8TC is superior to
almost anything on the market - but it still *sounds* the same as
ordinary 12 AWG 'zipcord'.

I've had a look at the Zu site, and it's a classic scam. They don't
give any proper specifications for the cable, the remarks about
directionality and burn-in are total bull****, and the rest of the
blurb reeks of purest snake oil. You'll get *exactly* the same sound
from 13 amp mains cable at a hundredth of the price.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On Mon, 30 May 2005 07:39:33 +0100, "SteveB"
sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk wrote:

I don't know about this ZU stuff, but if someone can't hear the difference
between at least some speaker cables then they must either have low
resolution audio equipment or little ability to listen to the various
strands and acoustic of music or just the luck not to have picked a poor
cable.

Bull****. If you can demonstrate an ability to hear 'cable sound'
under level-matched blind conditions, I'll give you £1,000.

It's some time since I compared speaker cables but a few years back
there were night and day differences on my system with 3 types I bought and
various ones I made up. Now, interconnects I could believe, differences are
much smaller compared to speaker cables. With headphone extension cables
we're back to night and day differences, I had to make one myself to get a
non-screwed up sound.

You're kidding yourself, pal. We've heard these claims many many
times, but not one single person has *ever* been able to back them up.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

If you can demonstrate an ability to hear 'cable sound'
under level-matched blind conditions, I'll give you £1,000.

Can the subject choose the amplifier and speakers?

On 30 May 2005 01:37:45 -0700, "andy" wrote:

If you can demonstrate an ability to hear 'cable sound'
under level-matched blind conditions, I'll give you £1,000.

Can the subject choose the amplifier and speakers?

Yes, the only pre-condition is that the levels match across the audio
band. This is isn't a trick of any kind, it's just to stop someone
introducing say 20 feet of 40AWG wire, or a big series inductor, to
win the bet on a 'cheat'.

--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

In article ,
SteveB sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk wrote:
I don't know about this ZU stuff, but if someone can't hear the
difference between at least some speaker cables then they must either
have low resolution audio equipment or little ability to listen to the
various strands and acoustic of music or just the luck not to have
picked a poor cable. It's some time since I compared speaker cables
but a few years back there were night and day differences on my system
with 3 types I bought and various ones I made up.

Were they all of suitable gauge wire?

Now, interconnects I could believe, differences are much smaller
compared to speaker cables.

Funnily, the only time I've heard a difference is with interconnects on
high impedance valve equipment. And pickups. But there's no magic to this.

With headphone extension cables we're back to night and day
differences, I had to make one myself to get a non-screwed up sound.

Likely the connector. Some jack types are notoriously poor.

--
*Be nice to your kids. They'll choose your nursing home.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

I think I reused the same connectors for the headphone extension cable, they
certainly weren't anything special, it was the cables that made the
difference. I didn't need fancy wires to get a better sound, just shorter
ones with individual unscreened wires loosely spot tied instead of those
horrible sprung coil leads.

I don't believe a competition would have any merit at all as I'm convinced
most listeners don't listen properly and no offence but how do I know you
aren't in that category? Sorry, but listening is a skill that I'm willing
to teach to anyone with an open mind but only on my system which is far from
perfect, but has been tweaked over the years to give its best and I know it
inside out.

In article ,
SteveB sbrads@nildramDOTcoDOTuk wrote:
I think I reused the same connectors for the headphone extension cable,
they certainly weren't anything special, it was the cables that made
the difference. I didn't need fancy wires to get a better sound, just
shorter ones with individual unscreened wires loosely spot tied instead
of those horrible sprung coil leads.

You don't need screened wire for headphones anyway - they're a high level
low impedance device, just like a speaker. Something like four core
burglar alarm cable at pennies a metre will do just fine.

--
*I'm pretty sure that sex is better than logic, but I can't prove it.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.