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Andre Jute wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
Andre Jute said:

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already
displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Does this mean that you are not actually a liar? Just clarifying.

Oh dear, George. Usually you're on the side of the angels but this is
definitely an own goal.

Oh puhLEASE! Take off your rose-tinted glasses. If Middius is an
"angel", I'm perfectly sane.



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Careful, George...

You will begin to sound reasonable... We can't have that!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA


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"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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George M. Middius wrote:
Andre Jute said:

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already
displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Does this mean that you are not actually a liar? Just clarifying.

Oh dear, George. Usually you're on the side of the angels but this is
definitely an own goal.

Don't get all twisted. I simply want to see you deny you're a liar. It's
one thing to get huffed about an accusation, and it's another thing to
reject it.

You haven't put your mind in gear, George. I insist on my right, which
I freely grant everyone else, to be innocent until proven guilty. I
don't have to reject anything. (No, Senator, I deny that I was ever a
Communist. -- Eh, George, how does it feel to be the ghost of Joseph
McCarthy resurrected?) The case here is that 28 people *without
investigating the facts* affirmed by posting to a thread "WHY ANDREW
JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR" that they believe this outright lie to be fact.
They either have to prove I'm a liar as they claimed by putting their
signature to that headline (in most cases repeatedly) or apologize.

Audiophiles 1, Trailer Park Trash 1 (after George Middius's own goal)

You should reconsider. I didn't make the accusation and I didn't
apologize.
I asked a question. That doesn't seem to merit any score at all.

Once more, George, put your mind in gear. I am innocent until proven
guilty. That's how democracies work.

This is not a Democracy. This is usenet and you are guilty.


I don't have to deny anything at
all. By casting doubt on my veracity through your demand that I deny I
am a liar, you have kicked an own goal that is counted on the side of
the mannerless trailer park trash. If you want to cancel out your
mistake, kick a goal on the right side.

Decent people have no problem apologizing when they make a mistake.

Andre Jute



When will you apologize then?

Andre Jute wrote:
uk.rec.audio, rec.audio.opinion and rec.audio.tubes are newsgroups
populated by self-declared audiophiles. One would expect those who
boast about their interest in music, one of the arts which express
emotion, to be sensitive. One could excuse those among them who are
"engineers" and hangers-on of engineers for being crudely insensitive
as it is well known that these types lack the finer sensibilities that
distinguish (or are supposed to distinguish) music lovers from the hoi
polloi.

Yet on these three conferences we find a thread "WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY
IS A LIAR" with 128 message from 29 distinct contributors (1). The
thread is about liquor, CD players, and much else. There is a
contributor called Andre Jute well known to regulars on all three these
conferences. No effort was made anywhere in this thread to prove that
he is a liar. Of these 29 contributors, *28* never had the sensitivity
in all of the *10 days* and *128 messages* of this thread to ask if it
isn't poor manners to mangle someone's name, if it isn't poor manners
to discuss many other matters under a headline condemning someone
without proof, if a new thread wouldn't be a courtesy.

So much for the manners of the trailer park trash one finds on
newsgroups.

Only one of these 29 contributors, Iain Churches, remarked that it was
weird to discuss Calvados under such a heading. Another contributor,
Don Pearce, a self-declared "engineer" then insisted the thread was
about proving Andre Jute a liar. In other words, in Don Pearce's mind
this libellous calumny was conducted deliberately. Apparently he spoke
for the rest, as their continued posting to this maliciously named
thread on a wide range of subjects confirms. Thus the excuse of inborn
insensitivity and crudeness in "engineers" falls away: this was a
deliberate crime initiated by Stewart Pinkerton and knowingly supported
by the the "engineers" and their hangers-on, who all thereby become
Pinkerton's accomplices.

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Andre Jute

(1) Count conducted at 17.28 GMT on 14 Mar 2006.





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"toxcrusadr" wrote in message
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I have to say I haven't read the thread, so my comments are general. I
sometimes lurk on this group just to learn something about tube audio.
I long ago realized: 1) there is an ounce of gold amongst a ton of
rock that is worth looking for here; 2) there are crazies here that are
best left to their own mad visions, and best left unprovoked; 3)
nothing I say is going to change reality - either the reality of who
Andre Jute is, or whether there are really arrogant, hateful and
possibly demon-infested people here; and 4) reading the spew rots my
soul, so I skip over most of it, so I don't feel like I have something
on me when I leave. Maybe some of the posters on that thread share
some or all of these thoughts. You may be asking a lot from your
friends, acquiantances or even strangers to expect them to join in that
battle. On the other hand, were such conversations taking place in
person, one does wonder if a crazy person would just be ignored by the
crowd or whether someone(s) who remembered their manners would stand up
to them.

Tox




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"George M. Middius" cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net wrote
in message ...


Andre Jute said:

Don't get all twisted. I simply want to see you deny you're a liar.
It's
one thing to get huffed about an accusation, and it's another thing to
reject it.

You haven't put your mind in gear, George. I insist on my right, which
I freely grant everyone else, to be innocent until proven guilty. I
don't have to reject anything.

I have no problem if you want to run for public office. However, such did
not seem to be the thrust of your plea for apologies. You seemed to want
the other participants in these newsgroups to acknowledge that you are not
a liar, and that the accusations therefore wronged you.

Since you raised the issue of "putting one's mind in gear", there's an
overwhelmingly obvious explanation for why few, if any, posters will
apologize as you asked. That explanation being that the details of your
bickering with Wiecky, Pasternack, Pukerton, and who-knows-who-else are
not
important to the rest of us. IOW, we don't care if you're a liar or if the
accusation is unfounded. Got that? Nobody cares.

I did care enough, mind you, to ask you to take a stand on the issue.
Instead of simply saying "Of course I'm not a liar!" you've huffed and
puffed and blown up your little teapot swirl into a typical Usenet
attention-grab.

I'd like to reiterate that taking a straw poll on Usenet is several
degrees
removed from asserting one's civil rights. Nobody is trying to imprison
you
or sue you for the alleged lies. Try to stay within the defined context
and
not get all histrionic about your rights. Else I, like almost everybody
else, will stop paying attention to you.

Also, there's no need to append your original post to every reply. The
headers are intact, so anybody can easily retrieve the original post if
they want to read it.



Bravo, Goerge gets one right.

Soon you will be able to leave the sty, if this keeps up.

Keith G wrote:

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
ups.com...
uk.rec.audio, rec.audio.opinion and rec.audio.tubes are newsgroups
populated by self-declared audiophiles. One would expect those who
boast about their interest in music, one of the arts which express
emotion, to be sensitive. One could excuse those among them who are
"engineers" and hangers-on of engineers for being crudely insensitive
as it is well known that these types lack the finer sensibilities that
distinguish (or are supposed to distinguish) music lovers from the hoi
polloi.

Yet on these three conferences we find a thread "WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY
IS A LIAR" with 128 message from 29 distinct contributors (1). The
thread is about liquor, CD players, and much else. There is a
contributor called Andre Jute well known to regulars on all three these
conferences. No effort was made anywhere in this thread to prove that
he is a liar. Of these 29 contributors, *28* never had the sensitivity
in all of the *10 days* and *128 messages* of this thread to ask if it
isn't poor manners to mangle someone's name, if it isn't poor manners
to discuss many other matters under a headline condemning someone
without proof, if a new thread wouldn't be a courtesy.

So much for the manners of the trailer park trash one finds on
newsgroups.

Only one of these 29 contributors, Iain Churches, remarked that it was
weird to discuss Calvados under such a heading. Another contributor,
Don Pearce, a self-declared "engineer" then insisted the thread was
about proving Andre Jute a liar. In other words, in Don Pearce's mind
this libellous calumny was conducted deliberately. Apparently he spoke
for the rest, as their continued posting to this maliciously named
thread on a wide range of subjects confirms. Thus the excuse of inborn
insensitivity and crudeness in "engineers" falls away: this was a
deliberate crime initiated by Stewart Pinkerton and knowingly supported
by the the "engineers" and their hangers-on, who all thereby become
Pinkerton's accomplices.

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Andre Jute

(1) Count conducted at 17.28 GMT on 14 Mar 2006.



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Gee, Keith, after 128 messages calling me a liar in the headline,
crossposted to UKRA, RAT and RAT, I make a humble complaint -- and you
start screeching in no fewer than nine messages about crossposting.
Looks to me like you're adhering to a double standard.

I'll count you for nine votes against good manners, decency, fairness,
justice and honesty.

Audiophiles 1, Zero-Manners Yobs 10

Furthermore, I see in your posts, dear Keith (everyone has some use),
that some clowns whose posts I don't read have gone into a feeding
frenzy, and we know they didn't vote for decency, so we can count on
side of darkness and vomit and yellow puss and nastiness 2 for Witless,
2 for Plod, 3 for NYOB123, so the intermediate score is:

Audiophiles 1, Insensitive Clowns 17

The audiophiles are routed. About what we expected.

Andre Jute
Still, we live in hope

"Henry Pasternack" wrote in message
...
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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I am innocent until proven guilty. That's how democracies work. I don't
have to deny anything at all.

You were lying when you accused me of emailing pornography to Italian
schoolgirls. (Cripes, what a lame story.) Do you deny it?


Arny is an Italian schoolgirl?



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More than an hour after I posted the very specific complaint below,
Jenn posted to the thread " WHY ANDREW
JUTE MCCOY IS A LIAR" this text: "What do you people have against
bassoons?" That is Jenn's eighth message to a thread calling me a liar.

Tell me, Jenn, are you extraordinarily insensitive even for a poster to
RAO, are you too thick to be a musician, never mind a conductor, or can
you make a case that I ever told less than the truth about bassoons or
any of the other subjects you raised under a headline calling me a
liar?

I certainly wish sincerely that you are able to say your server
delivered my post pointing out your lack of sensitivity after you sent
your last post in that thread. That would leave only your seven earlier
messages to explain.

Andre Jute

Andre Jute wrote:
uk.rec.audio, rec.audio.opinion and rec.audio.tubes are newsgroups
populated by self-declared audiophiles. One would expect those who
boast about their interest in music, one of the arts which express
emotion, to be sensitive. One could excuse those among them who are
"engineers" and hangers-on of engineers for being crudely insensitive
as it is well known that these types lack the finer sensibilities that
distinguish (or are supposed to distinguish) music lovers from the hoi
polloi.

Yet on these three conferences we find a thread "WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY
IS A LIAR" with 128 message from 29 distinct contributors (1). The
thread is about liquor, CD players, and much else. There is a
contributor called Andre Jute well known to regulars on all three these
conferences. No effort was made anywhere in this thread to prove that
he is a liar. Of these 29 contributors, *28* never had the sensitivity
in all of the *10 days* and *128 messages* of this thread to ask if it
isn't poor manners to mangle someone's name, if it isn't poor manners
to discuss many other matters under a headline condemning someone
without proof, if a new thread wouldn't be a courtesy.

So much for the manners of the trailer park trash one finds on
newsgroups.

Only one of these 29 contributors, Iain Churches, remarked that it was
weird to discuss Calvados under such a heading. Another contributor,
Don Pearce, a self-declared "engineer" then insisted the thread was
about proving Andre Jute a liar. In other words, in Don Pearce's mind
this libellous calumny was conducted deliberately. Apparently he spoke
for the rest, as their continued posting to this maliciously named
thread on a wide range of subjects confirms. Thus the excuse of inborn
insensitivity and crudeness in "engineers" falls away: this was a
deliberate crime initiated by Stewart Pinkerton and knowingly supported
by the the "engineers" and their hangers-on, who all thereby become
Pinkerton's accomplices.

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Andre Jute

(1) Count conducted at 17.28 GMT on 14 Mar 2006.

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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Andre Jute wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
Andre Jute said:

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already
displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Does this mean that you are not actually a liar? Just clarifying.

Oh dear, George. Usually you're on the side of the angels but this is
definitely an own goal.

Oh puhLEASE! Take off your rose-tinted glasses. If Middius is an
"angel", I'm perfectly sane.



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Binned there and done that, LoTs!!!



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"Clyde Slick" wrote in message
.. .

"Henry Pasternack" wrote in message
...
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
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I am innocent until proven guilty. That's how democracies work. I don't
have to deny anything at all.

You were lying when you accused me of emailing pornography to Italian
schoolgirls. (Cripes, what a lame story.) Do you deny it?


Arny is an Italian schoolgirl?



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(Apologies to the non-crossposters in RAT and RAO - these crossposted
responses of mine should/will die out from natural causes soon - !! ;-)