In article .com,
" wrote:

Think it though, my friend, and stop looking foolish.

Jenn:

But that is what Mr. McCoy does best. As a designer of yachts, amps,
sports cars, international soldier of fortune, cook, artist and
(vanity) published writer, he has provided comic-relief the entire
time. The saddest part of all this is that he appears never to be
called to account. Were he to practice any of this crap face-to-face,
it would be remarkable that he would remain upright and intact. Either
that or he would be recognized and labeled as the village idiot that he
is and ignored. You just happen to be his latest focus as he feels he
can disconcert you without consequence. Mr. McCoy claims to be a South
African. Given his age (60-61) and if true he is of that generation
that has lived on the backs of others and likely sees himself as a
refugee driven from his homeland by Kaffirs and various other "labels"
at which he is so adept. That does give one a distorted view of
reality. It is as equally likely to be another one of his
confabulations, but at this point, I doubt even Mr. McCoy can keep his
stories straight.

That he hides behind an alias, that he hides in an obscure corner of a
small country, and that he clearly lives like a very secretive
doormouse 'at home' and fulminates only in his keyboard fantasy world
is clearly the key to his continued survival.
Well, the world is an awfully small place, and he might just be
surprised at the reach that some might have across it.

Jute, Andre & Ro Millbrook Hse New Rd Bandon Cork 023 42128

Not so hard, was that?

You will also note that Mr. Alison, late as nasty a person as ever was,
has actually started to give (good) advice, make reasonable (and even
pleasant) posts...

Be well, Mr. McCoy. No threats made or implied. But the world is
awfully, awfully small. One day, you just might meet one of your liars,
trailer-trash, haggismunchies and drive-by shooters in a tight place.
With a 30 second look at your history, no jury under English Law would
convict. You might think of that just once before exercising your
fingers. That or get your meds adjusted properly this time.

Sleep tight.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

To the rest of the crowds: WHAT IF: we simply do not reply to _ANY_ of
Mr. McCoy's posts for the next say.... 10 days from Noon, your time,
Friday, March 17, 2006. I am sure St. Patrick would be proud of all of
us if we can manage this? Give it a try? I will... Mr. Pinkerton? Mr.
Pasternack? The rest of you? And if that works we might just tough it
out and keep at it? He will go away if NO ONE answers. Really. But
expect all sorts of rants, fulminations, fantasies, demands, claims and
accusations in the meantime. He needs our blood to survive, and
bluntly, it ain't worth donating to his cause.

Thanks for the history.

George M. Middius wrote:
Jenn said:

Nope, Jenn didn't say this; I did:

I think that, in the absence of an instant apology, this conversation
should have been over three exchanges ago. Your behaviour before and
since is inexcusable. Goodbye.

This is what Jenn said:
That's nice hon...sleep well.

And here is Middius's own ever so slightly offbeam assessment, like a
skew door that doesn't close and lets in the hurricane:
Joot has a peculiar sense of morality. It's a lot like that nebulous
definition of obscenity proclaimed by the Supreme Court: "I know it when
I see it."

No sense of morality is required to know that it is ill-mannered to
sign your name *eight times*, as Jenn did, to a statement calling
someone a liar. Not even any great delicacy. Just that modicum of
sensitivity that distinguishes human beings from sociopaths.

Joot knows an insult when he sees it, but god forbid he tell
you in advance what offends him before he blames you for everything
that's wrong with society since the Romans crucified Jesus.

Put your mind in gear, George. It is not necessary for me to say that I
object to fools calling me a liar. It isn't necessary for you to say
so, nor for anyone else. Civil society takes that much as read. Perhaps
you have lived on the net too long. I was astounded when I had to
explain to someone who quotes the Constitution as often as you do that
no statement of my innocence or veracity is required, that it is
presumed.

Andre Jute

As I trundle off to my bath and thence to bed, the score stands at:

Decency 1, Sewer Habitues 19

Andre Jute wrote:
uk.rec.audio, rec.audio.opinion and rec.audio.tubes are newsgroups
populated by self-declared audiophiles. One would expect those who
boast about their interest in music, one of the arts which express
emotion, to be sensitive. One could excuse those among them who are
"engineers" and hangers-on of engineers for being crudely insensitive
as it is well known that these types lack the finer sensibilities that
distinguish (or are supposed to distinguish) music lovers from the hoi
polloi.

Yet on these three conferences we find a thread "WHY ANDREW JUTE MCCOY
IS A LIAR" with 128 message from 29 distinct contributors (1). The
thread is about liquor, CD players, and much else. There is a
contributor called Andre Jute well known to regulars on all three these
conferences. No effort was made anywhere in this thread to prove that
he is a liar. Of these 29 contributors, *28* never had the sensitivity
in all of the *10 days* and *128 messages* of this thread to ask if it
isn't poor manners to mangle someone's name, if it isn't poor manners
to discuss many other matters under a headline condemning someone
without proof, if a new thread wouldn't be a courtesy.

So much for the manners of the trailer park trash one finds on
newsgroups.

Only one of these 29 contributors, Iain Churches, remarked that it was
weird to discuss Calvados under such a heading. Another contributor,
Don Pearce, a self-declared "engineer" then insisted the thread was
about proving Andre Jute a liar. In other words, in Don Pearce's mind
this libellous calumny was conducted deliberately. Apparently he spoke
for the rest, as their continued posting to this maliciously named
thread on a wide range of subjects confirms. Thus the excuse of inborn
insensitivity and crudeness in "engineers" falls away: this was a
deliberate crime initiated by Stewart Pinkerton and knowingly supported
by the the "engineers" and their hangers-on, who all thereby become
Pinkerton's accomplices.

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.

Andre Jute

(1) Count conducted at 17.28 GMT on 14 Mar 2006.

In article .com,
"Andre Jute" wrote:

George M. Middius wrote:
Jenn said:

Nope, Jenn didn't say this; I did:

I think that, in the absence of an instant apology, this conversation
should have been over three exchanges ago. Your behaviour before and
since is inexcusable. Goodbye.

This is what Jenn said:
That's nice hon...sleep well.

And here is Middius's own ever so slightly offbeam assessment, like a
skew door that doesn't close and lets in the hurricane:
Joot has a peculiar sense of morality. It's a lot like that nebulous
definition of obscenity proclaimed by the Supreme Court: "I know it when
I see it."

No sense of morality is required to know that it is ill-mannered to
sign your name *eight times*, as Jenn did, to a statement calling
someone a liar. Not even any great delicacy. Just that modicum of
sensitivity that distinguishes human beings from sociopaths.

Joot knows an insult when he sees it, but god forbid he tell
you in advance what offends him before he blames you for everything
that's wrong with society since the Romans crucified Jesus.

Put your mind in gear, George. It is not necessary for me to say that I
object to fools calling me a liar. It isn't necessary for you to say
so, nor for anyone else. Civil society takes that much as read. Perhaps
you have lived on the net too long. I was astounded when I had to
explain to someone who quotes the Constitution as often as you do that
no statement of my innocence or veracity is required, that it is
presumed.

Andre Jute

That's nice.... goodnight

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...

Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason! wrote:
From: Andre Jute
Date: Tues, Mar 14 2006 11:52 am
Email: "Andre Jute"

Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages

Well, I also posted to the thread when it said that Pinkerton was
unreliable (started by you, it appears).

Absolutely. But that was a reasoned, documented case.

That was a temper tantrum from a dolt who had been coaught too many times


So if I apologize to you, I must then also apologize to Stewart. Since
he likes and eats haggis, I'm afraid that isn't possible. I've had
haggis and it's disgusting.

So are you.

I would also point out that you, to be fair, should probably apologize
to Stewart for negatively dragging his name into a thread title, which
could also be called 'insensitive.' Goose, gander, and all.

A reasoned, documented, proven case, made by me; I didn't just call
Pinkerton malicious, I *proved* that he is malicious.


The malicious one is you, and the fact that you are incompetent is what got
Stewart on your ass.

The case with you is different. You carelessly contributed to a thread
in which I was accused of being a liar.

No that was a reasoned, documented, proven case, you are a liar.

In fact, the appearance is that
you claimed I lied on classes of liquor about which I never said a word
among other reasons because crap like that will never pass my lips.

Perhaps, but it flies fromyour fingertips on your keyboard.

So, even though I do not pay much attention to thread titles (like most
here, I'd imagine), since I have posted to both threads, and since I
will not apologize to a haggis-eater, I guess that means you'd better
put me in with the trailer park trash. TIA...:-)

Nah, okay, you're funny, and you're glib (and by all accounts you're
also bloody big) so I'll overlook it this time. Next time, it's your
Grand Cherokee for the chop...

Score still:
Lotuseaters 1, Haggismunchies 19

Honest people 2,476

**** eater Jute 11

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
oups.com...

George M. Middius wrote:
Jenn said:

Nope, Jenn didn't say this; I did:

I think that, in the absence of an instant apology, this conversation
should have been over three exchanges ago. Your behaviour before and
since is inexcusable. Goodbye.

This is what Jenn said:
That's nice hon...sleep well.

And here is Middius's own ever so slightly offbeam assessment, like a
skew door that doesn't close and lets in the hurricane:
Joot has a peculiar sense of morality. It's a lot like that nebulous
definition of obscenity proclaimed by the Supreme Court: "I know it when
I see it."

No sense of morality is required to know that it is ill-mannered to
sign your name *eight times*, as Jenn did, to a statement calling
someone a liar.

Finally a glimmer of sense, you have no sense of morality.

Not even any great delicacy. Just that modicum of
sensitivity that distinguishes human beings from sociopaths.

Bingo, you are also a sociopath.

Joot knows an insult when he sees it, but god forbid he tell
you in advance what offends him before he blames you for everything
that's wrong with society since the Romans crucified Jesus.

Put your mind in gear, George. It is not necessary for me to say that I
object to fools calling me a liar.

Fools don't call you a liar, everybody who isn't your sockpuppet calls you a
liar, because you are.

It isn't necessary for you to say
so, nor for anyone else. Civil society takes that much as read. Perhaps
you have lived on the net too long. I was astounded when I had to
explain to someone who quotes the Constitution as often as you do that
no statement of my innocence or veracity is required, that it is
presumed.

That ended long ago when it was proven so manby times that you are a liar.

Andre Jute wrote:
uk.rec.audio, rec.audio.opinion and rec.audio.tubes are newsgroups
populated by self-declared audiophiles. Snip,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,...,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,. ,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.
Let's see who apologizes and who adds abuse to the nauseating
insensitivity and appallingly poor manners they have already displayed
for 10 days and 128 messages.


There's a new refuge from all this over at Oz.Hi-Fi & HT:-

http://forum.aushifi.com

A moderated forum that, even though only a few days old, is really
taking off.
Sane, on topic and non-abusive posts are welcome. Others will be
cut-off with alacrity.
We look forward to seeing many of you over there .
Netpsychos still have usenet to play in to their hearts content so
let's leave em behind.


Oz

From:
Date: Tues, Mar 14 2006 11:55 pm
Email:

So if I apologize to you, I must then also apologize to Stewart. Since
he likes and eats haggis, I'm afraid that isn't possible. I've had
haggis and it's disgusting.

So are you.

Let's see: would I rather be dumb and disgusting (like nob) or (if I'm
really was disgusting, which I'm obviously not) smart and disgusting
(like I'd be if I was really disgusting, which I'm obviously not)?

Tough choice, nob. Fold or stay?

I have a pat hand, I'm afraid. I'll stay.

On Wed, 15 Mar 2006 01:33:30 +0100, "Ruud Broens"
wrote:

Well, think about the famous Turing test - updated to this millenium.
An AI program that can post in usenet groups,
not being recognized as such ...
a real challenge :-)

Nah, the Hiddius bot has been doing it for years.

Now, lets's get back to the real question - just why *is* Andrew Jute
McCoy Glassgrey FrankB such a liar?
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

On 14 Mar 2006 12:17:41 -0800, " wrote:

Mr. McCoy:

If you state categorically, without reservation and for the record
that:

a) you are not a liar.
b) that you are exactly as you represent yourself to be.
c) that you have not lied in this venue on any item or in any way
either in form or in substance.
d) that the work you show is entirely your own and not adapted in whole
or in part from already tested designs by others.
e) that the substantial and substantiated accusations made against you
are without basis or merit.
f) that every accusation you have made has been based on independently
verified or verifiable evidence.

No proof required. Just that you make these statemets "for the record"
for all to see.

Now *that* I'd like to see! :-)

I will be the first to apologize. Short of that, quite your whining and
get a life.

Not going to happen. If he actually had a real life, he wouldn't need
the fantasy ones, and he wouldn't be gathering drawers full of
sockpuppet sycophants.
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering