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And another one from earlier this evening (I get them all the time):

-----------------------------------------------
"hi
just wanted to say you have a very intresting site,its a very good read with
plenty of info.
i was really intrested in your reviews on the chinese amps as im considering
buying afew different types to try out,as you stated at the price there
selling them it would be foolish not to,i have a question,who on ebay did
you deal with as that is the biggest worry,any help there would be of great
help as im worried of getting ripped off.
also whats your favorite,want to try 300b se and anyother extreme types that
other exellent sound per pound.
im in england so as you pointed out if they where a uk product they would
have a price tag 4x there value!
ive been running some ming-da 845 monoblocks and there mc7 pre-amp,im really
impressed and there over a yr old now without any problems..all in price
£900...a bargan.
once again keep the site going.
all the best
ZYX"
----------------------------------------------

Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


And another one from earlier this evening (I get them all the time):

-----------------------------------------------
"hi
just wanted to say you have a very intresting site,its a very good read with
plenty of info.
i was really intrested in your reviews on the chinese amps as im considering
buying afew different types to try out,as you stated at the price there
selling them it would be foolish not to,i have a question,who on ebay did
you deal with as that is the biggest worry,any help there would be of great
help as im worried of getting ripped off.
also whats your favorite,want to try 300b se and anyother extreme types that
other exellent sound per pound.
im in england so as you pointed out if they where a uk product they would
have a price tag 4x there value!
ive been running some ming-da 845 monoblocks and there mc7 pre-amp,im really
impressed and there over a yr old now without any problems..all in price
£900...a bargan.
once again keep the site going.
all the best
ZYX"
----------------------------------------------

Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.



But you *haven't*...!!

There's been no *hobby* in this group for months (years?) now...

(rant about crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros' snipped)

OK, never mind.....

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.



But you *haven't*...!!

There's been no *hobby* in this group for months (years?) now...

(rant about crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros' snipped)

OK, never mind.....



You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.

And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.



But you *haven't*...!!

There's been no *hobby* in this group for months (years?) now...

(rant about crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros' snipped)

OK, never mind.....



You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.


You *moderating* again....??


And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?


Do they though - when it's killing general interest by hobbyists in a
*hobby* group?

further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

And another one from earlier this evening (I get them all the time):

-----------------------------------------------
"hi
just wanted to say you have a very intresting site,its a very good read
with plenty of info.
i was really intrested in your reviews on the chinese amps as im
considering buying afew different types to try out,as you stated at the
price there selling them it would be foolish not to,i have a question,who
on ebay did you deal with as that is the biggest worry,any help there
would be of great help as im worried of getting ripped off.
also whats your favorite,want to try 300b se and anyother extreme types
that other exellent sound per pound.
im in england so as you pointed out if they where a uk product they would
have a price tag 4x there value!
ive been running some ming-da 845 monoblocks and there mc7 pre-amp,im
really impressed and there over a yr old now without any problems..all in
price £900...a bargan.
once again keep the site going.
all the best
ZYX"
----------------------------------------------

Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)


What's really worrying though, Keith, is the fact that this guy is in
England. Setting aside the mobile phone style presentation, the spelling and
grammar, are awful. Is this really what our schools are turning out now ? At
least the American guy's mail to you yesterday, was presentable, if a little
flowery.

Arfa

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"Arfa Daily" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)


What's really worrying though, Keith, is the fact that this guy is in
England. Setting aside the mobile phone style presentation, the spelling
and grammar, are awful. Is this really what our schools are turning out
now ? At least the American guy's mail to you yesterday, was presentable,
if a little flowery.


Yes, know what you mean. For some reason I take more badly with thicko posts
here than I do with thicko emails - not everyone is a typist and at least
they have made an effort to respond! (Although I reckon sloppy is as sloppy
does....!!) As I said earlier, I get a fairly regular stream of emails from
all over, due to the webpages and most of them are perfectly acceptable. The
English guy also posted in HTML - that's an even bigger ****er than no
capitals in my book!

(Maybe the guy's shift key is busted - bit like the 'broken daisywheel
printer joke': 'Ewar Woowar starring in The Wicker Man'..!! :-)

The important thing is (****e-looking emails aside) is rolling the hobby
along some - hobbyist 'audiophiles/enthusiasts' are a dying breed according
to some sources (AV and iPods taking over kinda thing), the only mystery is
why should I worry? I've already got more than enough kit and records I'll
not live long enough to play!!??

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:





You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.


You *moderating* again....??


"Moderate" is something I'm not often accused of.


And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?


Do they though - when it's killing general interest by hobbyists in a
*hobby* group?


Well the clue is in the word "killing". Just kill the threads you
don't want to read. I do it all the time. There is only one person I
have killfiled, and he has just stopped posting (in the other place)
for the summer.


further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:





You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.


You *moderating* again....??


"Moderate" is something I'm not often accused of.


And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?


Do they though - when it's killing general interest by hobbyists in a
*hobby* group?


Well the clue is in the word "killing". Just kill the threads you
don't want to read. I do it all the time. There is only one person I
have killfiled, and he has just stopped posting (in the other place)
for the summer.


further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.



You're missing the point, lad - I'm not losing interest in *music* or
'audio'.....

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:06:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.



You're missing the point, lad - I'm not losing interest in *music* or
'audio'.....


I wasn't talking about that kind of interest

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:06:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.



You're missing the point, lad - I'm not losing interest in *music* or
'audio'.....


I wasn't talking about that kind of interest



Hmm, you are going to have to signify when you post a *funny* - I'm sorry to
say you aren't noted for it and it went straight over my head!!

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:23:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:06:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.



You're missing the point, lad - I'm not losing interest in *music* or
'audio'.....


I wasn't talking about that kind of interest



Hmm, you are going to have to signify when you post a *funny* - I'm sorry to
say you aren't noted for it and it went straight over my head!!



Couldn't you tell from the tone of my voice?

I don't know, t'internet isn't what it was.

oops, sorry. :-)

d

Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 14:23:15 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 10:06:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

further rant snipped - I'm losing interest....


Then get yer money back in the bank quickish.



You're missing the point, lad - I'm not losing interest in *music* or
'audio'.....


I wasn't talking about that kind of interest



Hmm, you are going to have to signify when you post a *funny* - I'm sorry
to
say you aren't noted for it and it went straight over my head!!



Couldn't you tell from the tone of my voice?

I don't know, t'internet isn't what it was.



It sure ain't - it's getting *worse*!!

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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.



But you *haven't*...!!

There's been no *hobby* in this group for months (years?) now...

(rant about crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros' snipped)

OK, never mind.....

Probably because the hobby aspect has pretty much died out - for good
reason. Back in the '60s when I got started, it was possible to build
a better amp than you could buy, and definitely possible to build
better speakers, and save lots of money into the bargain.

Such is no longer possible, since modern speakers, even towards the
budget end from the 'big guns' like B&W and KEF, use highly advanced
design and manufacturing techniques to provide sound quality,
particularly in the cabinets and crossovers, which simply isn't
available to the home builder - particularly since Dynaudio stopped
supplying drivers to hobbyists. Focal are perhaps the last supplier of
decent drivers to the hobbyist (please don't mention that Lowther
dreck!), but where do you get the cabinet and crossover designs which
contribute at least 30% of the sound quality?

Amplifiers have of course been a done deal for a couple of decades,
and I simply wouldn't waste my time building an amp these days.
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On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.

You *moderating* again....??

Why, were *you* wanting to do it?

And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?

Do they though - when it's killing general interest by hobbyists in a
*hobby* group?

It's a technical hobby! Sheesh, whatta maroon!
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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 22:45:49 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...

You've got the hobby. That's cool. But we do know - I promise.

You *moderating* again....??

Why, were *you* wanting to do it?

And techies have just as much right to arguments here as you, y'know.
So stop fretting willya?

Do they though - when it's killing general interest by hobbyists in a
*hobby* group?

It's a technical hobby! Sheesh, whatta maroon!



You missed the "crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros'" bit.....

Does that help?

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:31:56 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


Anybody see where I'm going with this?

(Clue 01: *Hobby*....)

(Clue 02: Feck-all to do with *the industry*.....)




Keith! We've got it already!

We'd got it months ago.



But you *haven't*...!!

There's been no *hobby* in this group for months (years?) now...

(rant about crossposted slanging matches and the interminable 'techie'
arguments from so-called 'pros' snipped)

OK, never mind.....

Probably because the hobby aspect has pretty much died out - for good
reason. Back in the '60s when I got started, it was possible to build
a better amp than you could buy, and definitely possible to build
better speakers, and save lots of money into the bargain.


If you don't believe it still is then *you* have no place here - unless this
*isn't* an hobbyist group, when *I* have no place here. You say, I'm easy...



Such is no longer possible, since modern speakers, even towards the
budget end from the 'big guns' like B&W and KEF, use highly advanced
design and manufacturing techniques to provide sound quality,
particularly in the cabinets and crossovers, which simply isn't
available to the home builder - particularly since Dynaudio stopped
supplying drivers to hobbyists. Focal are perhaps the last supplier of
decent drivers to the hobbyist (please don't mention that Lowther
dreck!), but where do you get the cabinet and crossover designs which
contribute at least 30% of the sound quality?

Amplifiers have of course been a done deal for a couple of decades,
and I simply wouldn't waste my time building an amp these days.


Fair enough. No-one's asking/expecting you to.

I don't expect that you are *into* fine art much, but take my word that
there hasn't been much to touch the work from the Renaissance period from
some 500 years ago - are you saying that everyone should roll over and chuck
away their brushes...??

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You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?

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"Andy Evans" wrote in message
ups.com...
You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?


No, neither of them.....

;-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
. ..

On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:59:56 -0000, "Keith G"

wrote:



Probably because the hobby aspect has pretty much died out - for good

reason. Back in the '60s when I got started, it was possible to build

a better amp than you could buy, and definitely possible to build

better speakers, and save lots of money into the bargain.

Now there's ebay with all the cheap stuff to explore too.




Such is no longer possible, since modern speakers, even towards the

budget end from the 'big guns' like B&W and KEF, use highly advanced

design and manufacturing techniques to provide sound quality,

particularly in the cabinets and crossovers, which simply isn't

available to the home builder - particularly since Dynaudio stopped

supplying drivers to hobbyists. Focal are perhaps the last supplier of

decent drivers to the hobbyist (please don't mention that Lowther

dreck!), but where do you get the cabinet and crossover designs which

contribute at least 30% of the sound quality?

For anybody interested it might be worth keeping an eye here...

http://www.world-designs.co.uk/

....for speaker kits and designs in the future. They've only got one design
at the moment but more are on the way and they've got a Dutch company making
bespoke drivers for their cabinets.

You could also follow Keith's example and build stuff even cheaper still,
maybe cheap enough to just chuck the wood, flog the drivers on ebay and try
again if it didn't work out.

Amplifiers have of course been a done deal for a couple of decades,

and I simply wouldn't waste my time building an amp these days.

I didn't get into audio as a hobby until the early 90s (wasn't born until
the 70s) and didn't break free of the marketing crap until the 2000s so I'm
just starting out. I may be covering ground people like yourself left behind
decades ago but I'm finding it fun and it's my choice of how I follow my
hobby.

I'm sitting here now listening to The Smiths on a record deck that's almost
as old as I am, with a cartridge that is very likely older than me, a
"modern" cheapie EL34 amp and an American phono stage all bought from ebay
for less than the 10 year old speakers I bought when I still belived
everything the HiFi press told me.

I've had more fun discovering the old kit than all the stuff I bought new
(gathering dust upstairs) has ever brought me and luckily Keith is near
enough for me to pop over regularly and hear even more different kit without
spending any money.

Next I may try DIY SET and horns, or I may try the World Designs aperiodic
design, or I might stick with what I have for a while as the music has
forced me to stop typing and listen more than once this evening. But the
next step will be DIY because I want to and while it may be a waste of your
time it won't be a waste of mine.

What I'm trying to say is that there's a load of not so young 'uns appearing
on the scene who aren't going to listen to those who went before :-)

Phil

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"Philip North" wrote


For anybody interested it might be worth keeping an eye here...

http://www.world-designs.co.uk/

...for speaker kits and designs in the future. They've only got one design
at the moment but more are on the way and they've got a Dutch company
making
bespoke drivers for their cabinets.


Phil, I really don't think that forum will thank you if you introduce
'ukranians' en masse - that forum's for enthusiasts, not wannabee washouts
who only want to argue about cables and stuff...


You could also follow Keith's example and build stuff even cheaper still,
maybe cheap enough to just chuck the wood, flog the drivers on ebay and
try
again if it didn't work out.


Uh oh, I can just *hear* you getting crossed off people's Christmas Card
Lists now!! :-)



I've had more fun discovering the old kit than all the stuff I bought new
(gathering dust upstairs) has ever brought me and luckily Keith is near
enough for me to pop over regularly and hear even more different kit
without
spending any money.


You haven't had a copy of my new 2006 Tariffs yet then I take it...??



Next I may try DIY SET and horns, or I may try the World Designs aperiodic
design, or I might stick with what I have for a while as the music has
forced me to stop typing and listen more than once this evening. But the
next step will be DIY because I want to and while it may be a waste of
your
time it won't be a waste of mine.


:-)


What I'm trying to say is that there's a load of not so young 'uns
appearing
on the scene who aren't going to listen to those who went before :-)


That's the spirit, Phil!! You tell 'em!! :-))

All this jaded 'seen it all/done it all' will never put off anybody who's
really interested in the subject.....

(Interestingly, the *real* pros in the group that I know/know of remain as
interested and as enthusiastic as ever!! ;-)

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You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?

No, neither of them.....

Without question, Irish blood, just as I thought.



No, I'm a Taurus.... :-)

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wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
oups.com...
You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?

No, neither of them.....

Without question, Irish blood, just as I thought.

No, I'm a Taurus.... :-)

Yes, we knew that from the smell......... :-)
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 21:14:18 -0000, "Philip North"
wrote:

I didn't get into audio as a hobby until the early 90s (wasn't born until
the 70s) and didn't break free of the marketing crap until the 2000s so I'm
just starting out. I may be covering ground people like yourself left behind
decades ago but I'm finding it fun and it's my choice of how I follow my
hobby.

No arguing with that - have fun!

I'm sitting here now listening to The Smiths on a record deck that's almost
as old as I am, with a cartridge that is very likely older than me, a
"modern" cheapie EL34 amp and an American phono stage all bought from ebay
for less than the 10 year old speakers I bought when I still belived
everything the HiFi press told me.

I've had more fun discovering the old kit than all the stuff I bought new
(gathering dust upstairs) has ever brought me and luckily Keith is near
enough for me to pop over regularly and hear even more different kit without
spending any money.

Next I may try DIY SET and horns, or I may try the World Designs aperiodic
design, or I might stick with what I have for a while as the music has
forced me to stop typing and listen more than once this evening. But the
next step will be DIY because I want to and while it may be a waste of your
time it won't be a waste of mine.

Different strokes and all that. I went through the building phase for
about twenty years, until it became obvious that (a) I spent more on
parts than I'd need to buy a perfectly good amplifier, and (b) there
was no way that I could build speakers that even approached what was
available comnmercially.

What I'm trying to say is that there's a load of not so young 'uns appearing
on the scene who aren't going to listen to those who went before :-)

Nobody has to take advice, it just sits there on offer. There is one
obvious caveat - if you're going to get into buidling hi-fi as a
hobby, and you really do want to build *good* stuff, then you're going
to need some really good test gear. Now, if you don't actually work in
the electronics industry, that's going to be expensive.
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"Philip North" wrote in message
...

I've had more fun discovering the old kit than all the stuff I bought new
(gathering dust upstairs) has ever brought me and luckily Keith is near
enough for me to pop over regularly and hear even more different kit
without
spending any money.

Next I may try DIY SET and horns, or I may try the World Designs aperiodic
design, or I might stick with what I have for a while as the music has
forced me to stop typing and listen more than once this evening. But the
next step will be DIY because I want to and while it may be a waste of
your
time it won't be a waste of mine.

What I'm trying to say is that there's a load of not so young 'uns
appearing
on the scene who aren't going to listen to those who went before :-)

Hi Phil. Most of the young 'uns are happy with their
personal -mp3 players, but there is a lot of interest in speaker-building
and valve audio. I have recently made contact with the Lowther
Club, and hope to go to one of their get-togethers in Stockholm later in
the Spring.

There are not many people who have the dedication to actually build a
speaker or an amp. But there is a great deal of satisfaction in a
home-brew which can perform as well as any commercial product.

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/C50_007.jpg

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/C50_010.jpg

http://www.kolumbus.fi/iain.churches/Pics/C50_013.jpg

Listen, compare, and make up your own mind - Just as with music
it's a personal choice, If you find you prefer an SS amp with
three-way speakers, that's fine. If you like a valve PP with
dual concentrics, then I am happy for you. If you like SET
with horns that's fine too. The important thing is that you are
listening to music, and enjoying the experience.


Regards
Iain

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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:08:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
roups.com...
You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?

No, neither of them.....

Without question, Irish blood, just as I thought.

No, I'm a Taurus.... :-)

Yes, we knew that from the smell......... :-)


:-)

Very good!!

(Lemme see, that would make you a Pisces then...?? :-)

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"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:42:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


I don't expect that you are *into* fine art much, but take my word that
there hasn't been much to touch the work from the Renaissance period from
some 500 years ago - are you saying that everyone should roll over and
chuck
away their brushes...??

Actually, you're talking utter crap. There has been absolutely
*shedloads* of fine work done since the Renaissance.


Never said there hasn't - read the words carefully....

(And ease up with the invective or I'll disregard your posts entirely....)


Asitappens, I was
touring the 'Black Victorians'


Pablo Fanque...???

Back in the Real World II....
 

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 09:51:01 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
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On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 23:08:24 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
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You're not related to James Joyce, are you Kieth?

No, neither of them.....

Without question, Irish blood, just as I thought.

No, I'm a Taurus.... :-)

Yes, we knew that from the smell......... :-)


:-)

Very good!!

(Lemme see, that would make you a Pisces then...?? :-)

Nope, Capricorn, as the ladies will attest! :-)
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Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Back in the Real World II....
 

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:00:23 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 17:42:55 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

I don't expect that you are *into* fine art much, but take my word that
there hasn't been much to touch the work from the Renaissance period from
some 500 years ago - are you saying that everyone should roll over and
chuck
away their brushes...??

Actually, you're talking utter crap. There has been absolutely
*shedloads* of fine work done since the Renaissance.


Never said there hasn't - read the words carefully....

(And ease up with the invective or I'll disregard your posts entirely....)


Asitappens, I was
touring the 'Black Victorians'

Pablo Fanque...???

Interestingly enough, given his fame, I didn't spot one of him. It was
an exhibition of Victorian paintings (and some photographs from the
same era) of assorted black people, generally done in England, but
good ol' Bill Darby didn't appear. The again, he was shall we say not
the most attractive of models.... :-)
--

Stewart Pinkerton | Music is Art - Audio is Engineering

Back in the Real World II....
 

"Stewart Pinkerton" wrote

No, I'm a Taurus.... :-)

Yes, we knew that from the smell......... :-)


:-)

Very good!!

(Lemme see, that would make you a Pisces then...?? :-)

Nope, Capricorn, as the ladies will attest! :-)



How does that work? I thought Capricorn was a goat top half with a 'fish'
bottom half..???

(ie no dick to speak of....???)

And hardly 'odour-free' at either end...?? ;-)