http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw

http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb


A doddle!! :-)

Keith G wrote:
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A doddle!! :-)


I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet.

S.

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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A doddle!! :-)
I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet.



Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard*
would you?

(You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-)

If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one
of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high
output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly
acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!!

Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw

http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb


A doddle!! :-)
I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet.



Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard*
would you?

(You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-)

If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one
of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high
output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly
acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!!

Sadly, you're probably right; they could well sound reasonable. Of
course how long they will last, and/or maintain their spec is anyone's
guess, but for the purpose they're being sold for i.e. digitising your
vinyl collection, they will probably last long enough. When you
consider the sort of TTs you and I use, which have been around for 20-30
years and are still working well, it's sad to see the turntable reduced
to a near disposable item.

S.

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw

http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb


A doddle!! :-)
I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet.



Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard*
would you?

(You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-)

If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab
one of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring
high output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be
perfectly acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!!

Sadly, you're probably right; they could well sound reasonable. Of course
how long they will last, and/or maintain their spec is anyone's guess, but
for the purpose they're being sold for i.e. digitising your vinyl
collection, they will probably last long enough. When you consider the
sort of TTs you and I use, which have been around for 20-30 years and are
still working well, it's sad to see the turntable reduced to a near
disposable item.


I know what you are saying (nice of you to compare my motley selection of
decks to your own broadcast decks!) but I don't think it's sad if choice in
turntable prices extends down to these levels - it will get more people into
vinyl! As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last
long enough to give satisfaction..??

Keith G wrote:
As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last
long enough to give satisfaction..??

There's a brief reviewette (although not from an audiophile perspective
- but then, neither is the product) at El Reg:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/24/review_ion_usn_turntable/

--
Gareth Halfacree
http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk

Gareth Halfacree wrote:
Keith G wrote:
As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last
long enough to give satisfaction..??

There's a brief reviewette (although not from an audiophile perspective
- but then, neither is the product) at El Reg:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/24/review_ion_usn_turntable/


Quite impressive, considering.

I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually
degrade quality?

Rob

Rob wrote:
I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually
degrade quality?

Indeed it does. Let's say you capture your audio at 44.1KHz (CD
quality, in other words). That's 44,100 samples per second (apologies
if I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs with this bit).

If you run your 33s at 33 RPM, then every second of captured audio
contains a full 44,100 samples.

If you run your 33s at 45 RPM, then every second of captured audio
contains 32,340 samples. Because these are played back at the rate of
44,100 samples per second it sounds too fast, so you have a choice of
either dropping the sample rate to 32,000 (32KHz, often referred to as
'Radio Quality' in older Windows applications) and discarding some of
your samples or slowing the whole thing down and keeping it at 44,100
samples per second. Which means interpolation (or, to put it another
way, inventing extra samples). Which means reduced quality.

That's as I see it, anyway. But then again, what do I know; I'm a
computer tech, not an audiophile or broadcaster. I do own a turntable,
but it's manufactured by Aiwa and thus is likely to earn me the scorn of
everyone present.

--
Gareth Halfacree
http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk

Gareth Halfacree wrote:
Rob wrote:
I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it
actually degrade quality?

Indeed it does. Let's say you capture your audio at 44.1KHz (CD
quality, in other words). That's 44,100 samples per second (apologies
if I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs with this bit).

If you run your 33s at 33 RPM, then every second of captured audio
contains a full 44,100 samples.

If you run your 33s at 45 RPM, then every second of captured audio
contains 32,340 samples. Because these are played back at the rate of
44,100 samples per second it sounds too fast, so you have a choice of
either dropping the sample rate to 32,000 (32KHz, often referred to as
'Radio Quality' in older Windows applications) and discarding some of
your samples or slowing the whole thing down and keeping it at 44,100
samples per second. Which means interpolation (or, to put it another
way, inventing extra samples). Which means reduced quality.


Interesting, thanks for that. I suppose an analogy might be photo
compression?! I've often seen the 'time stretching' feature in audio
apps, but have never been sure how it works.

That's as I see it, anyway. But then again, what do I know; I'm a
computer tech, not an audiophile or broadcaster. I do own a turntable,
but it's manufactured by Aiwa and thus is likely to earn me the scorn of
everyone present.


Ah, not I, hats off to you with your feet firmly planted on the ground :-)

Rob

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A doddle!! :-)


Hi Keith

Looks a great product.

But why oh why do we put up with prices that are so much more than in
the USA?

A brief look found a USA web site with it for sale for $140.

Regards

David