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Keith G wrote:
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet. S. |
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet. Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard* would you? (You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-) If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!! |
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet. Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard* would you? (You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-) If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!! Sadly, you're probably right; they could well sound reasonable. Of course how long they will last, and/or maintain their spec is anyone's guess, but for the purpose they're being sold for i.e. digitising your vinyl collection, they will probably last long enough. When you consider the sort of TTs you and I use, which have been around for 20-30 years and are still working well, it's sad to see the turntable reduced to a near disposable item. S. |
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet. Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard* would you? (You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-) If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!! Sadly, you're probably right; they could well sound reasonable. Of course how long they will last, and/or maintain their spec is anyone's guess, but for the purpose they're being sold for i.e. digitising your vinyl collection, they will probably last long enough. When you consider the sort of TTs you and I use, which have been around for 20-30 years and are still working well, it's sad to see the turntable reduced to a near disposable item. I know what you are saying (nice of you to compare my motley selection of decks to your own broadcast decks!) but I don't think it's sad if choice in turntable prices extends down to these levels - it will get more people into vinyl! As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last long enough to give satisfaction..?? |
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Keith G wrote:
As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last long enough to give satisfaction..?? There's a brief reviewette (although not from an audiophile perspective - but then, neither is the product) at El Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/24/review_ion_usn_turntable/ -- Gareth Halfacree http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk |
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Gareth Halfacree wrote:
Keith G wrote: As to durability, I don't see any reason for these decks not to last long enough to give satisfaction..?? There's a brief reviewette (although not from an audiophile perspective - but then, neither is the product) at El Reg: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/05/24/review_ion_usn_turntable/ Quite impressive, considering. I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually degrade quality? Rob |
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Rob wrote:
I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually degrade quality? Indeed it does. Let's say you capture your audio at 44.1KHz (CD quality, in other words). That's 44,100 samples per second (apologies if I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs with this bit). If you run your 33s at 33 RPM, then every second of captured audio contains a full 44,100 samples. If you run your 33s at 45 RPM, then every second of captured audio contains 32,340 samples. Because these are played back at the rate of 44,100 samples per second it sounds too fast, so you have a choice of either dropping the sample rate to 32,000 (32KHz, often referred to as 'Radio Quality' in older Windows applications) and discarding some of your samples or slowing the whole thing down and keeping it at 44,100 samples per second. Which means interpolation (or, to put it another way, inventing extra samples). Which means reduced quality. That's as I see it, anyway. But then again, what do I know; I'm a computer tech, not an audiophile or broadcaster. I do own a turntable, but it's manufactured by Aiwa and thus is likely to earn me the scorn of everyone present. -- Gareth Halfacree http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk |
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Rob wrote: I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually degrade quality? Indeed it does. Let's say you capture your audio at 44.1KHz (CD quality, in other words). That's 44,100 samples per second (apologies if I'm teaching my grandmother to suck eggs with this bit). If you run your 33s at 33 RPM, then every second of captured audio contains a full 44,100 samples. If you run your 33s at 45 RPM, then every second of captured audio contains 32,340 samples. Because these are played back at the rate of 44,100 samples per second it sounds too fast, so you have a choice of either dropping the sample rate to 32,000 (32KHz, often referred to as 'Radio Quality' in older Windows applications) and discarding some of your samples or slowing the whole thing down and keeping it at 44,100 samples per second. Which means interpolation (or, to put it another way, inventing extra samples). Which means reduced quality. Interesting, thanks for that. I suppose an analogy might be photo compression?! I've often seen the 'time stretching' feature in audio apps, but have never been sure how it works. That's as I see it, anyway. But then again, what do I know; I'm a computer tech, not an audiophile or broadcaster. I do own a turntable, but it's manufactured by Aiwa and thus is likely to earn me the scorn of everyone present. Ah, not I, hats off to you with your feet firmly planted on the ground :-) Rob |
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Keith G wrote:
http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) Hi Keith Looks a great product. But why oh why do we put up with prices that are so much more than in the USA? A brief look found a USA web site with it for sale for $140. Regards David |
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wrote: Rob wrote: I'd never thought of that 33s at 45 ruse to save time - does it actually degrade quality? Indeed it does. If you run your 33s at 45 RPM, then every second of captured audio contains 32,340 samples. Because these are played back at the rate of 44,100 samples per second it sounds too fast, so you have a choice of either dropping the sample rate to 32,000 (32KHz, often referred to as 'Radio Quality' in older Windows applications) Yes. I've not checked the URL but if they don't make a suitable correction, then replying a 33 at 45 would also mean the standard RIAA correction would be inappropriate, thus altering the frequency response. May also encounter problems with the stylus being able to track the increased modulation velocities, etc. In principle, the above could be corrected during the resampling from 33k up to 44.1k, but as you say, the result would still lose any info above 16kHz. Slainte, Jim -- Electronics http://www.st-and.ac.uk/~www_pa/Scot...o/electron.htm Audio Misc http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/AudioMisc/index.html Armstrong Audio http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/Audio/armstrong.html Barbirolli Soc. http://www.st-and.demon.co.uk/JBSoc/JBSoc.html |
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"David Houpt" wrote in message . uk... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) Hi Keith Looks a great product. But why oh why do we put up with prices that are so much more than in the USA? Because we do...... A brief look found a USA web site with it for sale for $140. Sure. Only yesterday I placed an order for some bits and pieces. I could get them either from a one-man band in this country or from a bigger (much) supplier in Germany for about 60 quid less. I wuz chatting with the UK supplier (very nice chap whom I would like to see thrive and remain in business) and determined that things were going well for him, so I told him about the Germans and got a significant discount to roughly equal the prices - made the order worth just over 200 quid. I'm aware of keeping the little guy in business but I won't subsidise anyone's chosen lifestyle from own pocket any more, other than maybe pay a little over the odds for convenience from time to time. There is an eBay auction for that same deck if anyone wants to pay over the odds for a 'quick one': http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Or how about this handy little bugger from the same seller: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NUMARK-PT-01-p...cm dZViewItem (If I still had a motorcycle, I'd fit one to the tank for proper 'music on the move'!! :-) |
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"David Houpt" wrote in message . uk... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) Hi Keith Looks a great product. But why oh why do we put up with prices that are so much more than in the USA? Because we do...... A brief look found a USA web site with it for sale for $140. Sure. Only yesterday I placed an order for some bits and pieces. I could get them either from a one-man band in this country or from a bigger (much) supplier in Germany for about 60 quid less. I wuz chatting with the UK supplier (very nice chap whom I would like to see thrive and remain in business) and determined that things were going well for him, so I told him about the Germans and got a significant discount to roughly equal the prices - made the order worth just over 200 quid. I'm aware of keeping the little guy in business but I won't subsidise anyone's chosen lifestyle from own pocket any more, other than maybe pay a little over the odds for convenience from time to time. There is an eBay auction for that same deck if anyone wants to pay over the odds for a 'quick one': http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1 Or how about this handy little bugger from the same seller: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NUMARK-PT-01-p...cm dZViewItem (If I still had a motorcycle, I'd fit one to the tank for proper 'music on the move'!! :-) Next to the ashtray, I presume. S. |
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Jim Lesurf wrote:
I've not checked the URL but if they don't make a suitable correction, then replying a 33 at 45 would also mean the standard RIAA correction would be inappropriate, thus altering the frequency response. May also encounter problems with the stylus being able to track the increased modulation velocities, etc. In principle, the above could be corrected during the resampling from 33k up to 44.1k, but as you say, the result would still lose any info above 16kHz. I have *no* idea what you just said. As I mentioned, I'm a computer tech - to me, the RIAA is the buggers wot sue the filesharers. That said, you seem to be agreeing with me so I'm not too bothered. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to my search engine of choice to bone up on RIAA and the frequency response of vinyl playback. Any recommended sites where I can grasp the basics? I'm always keen to learn something new. -- Gareth Halfacree http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:01:56 +0100, Gareth Halfacree
wrote: Jim Lesurf wrote: I've not checked the URL but if they don't make a suitable correction, then replying a 33 at 45 would also mean the standard RIAA correction would be inappropriate, thus altering the frequency response. May also encounter problems with the stylus being able to track the increased modulation velocities, etc. In principle, the above could be corrected during the resampling from 33k up to 44.1k, but as you say, the result would still lose any info above 16kHz. I have *no* idea what you just said. As I mentioned, I'm a computer tech - to me, the RIAA is the buggers wot sue the filesharers. That said, you seem to be agreeing with me so I'm not too bothered. Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to my search engine of choice to bone up on RIAA and the frequency response of vinyl playback. Any recommended sites where I can grasp the basics? I'm always keen to learn something new. Don't use Google, then. If you do, both Ebay and Amazon will assure you that they can sell you RIAA at the lowest prices. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 15:01:56 +0100, Gareth Halfacree wrote: Now, if you'll excuse me I'm off to my search engine of choice to bone up on RIAA and the frequency response of vinyl playback. Any recommended sites where I can grasp the basics? I'm always keen to learn something new. Don't use Google, then. If you do, both Ebay and Amazon will assure you that they can sell you RIAA at the lowest prices. Not on my PC they don't. There's a.... checks headers to ensure he's not in the Monastery before unleashing UI There's a rather nifty plugin for my particular browser which removes *all* ads and paid-for 'recommendations' from Google. And adds a bar of links to perform the same search on a raft of competing sites. Makes searching for information a near-pleasure, it does. -- Gareth Halfacree http://gareth.halfacree.co.uk "If Ace Books ever came out with an edition of The Bible, both books would be edited down to 40,000 words, and they'd be renamed "Master of Chaos" and "The Thing With Three Souls." - Terry Carr |
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"Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: "Serge Auckland" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb A doddle!! :-) I don't think I'll go out and sell the EMT just yet. Tsk, tsk! Serge! You wouldn't be dismissing those little decks *unheard* would you? (You'll have Arny accusing *me* of unveridical perceptions again!! :-) If I wasn't tit-deep in decks already (back up to five again!!) I'd grab one of those buggers just to have a play with it! I bet with my Goldring high output MC cart or the Shure V15/5 on it, the results would be perfectly acceptable - certainly for MP3s and/or 'music on the move'!! Sadly, you're probably right; they could well sound reasonable. Of course how long they will last, and/or maintain their spec is anyone's guess, but for the purpose they're being sold for i.e. digitising your vinyl collection, they will probably last long enough. When you consider the sort of TTs you and I use, which have been around for 20-30 years and are still working well, it's sad to see the turntable reduced to a near disposable item. Check this out: http://www.thebusinessonline.com/Sto...5544208&page=0 I just spotted it over on the World (not Audio) Design forum (where vinyl is a bloody long way from dead, I might add!! :-) - courtesy of 'Clive'!! I haven't read it all yet, only scanned through it - but I'm not the least bit surprised to see the 'antipiracy' remarks. I can only presume they haven't heard about these little Ion decks....?? :-) Also these two super little vids: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=forwardbound .....for anyone who's interested?? Enjoy! :-) |
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Keith G wrote:
A doddle!! :-) Nice idea, but I wonder how many people have a flat level surface next to their PC? And of those that do, how many have a scanner plonked there... Ironically I just saw this post after having a play around converting vinyl to CD myself. Only I used a slightly different method... Aurex DD turntable with Nagaoki sp? cart (nice sounding cart, cost about £50 around 15 years ago and still in perfect condition) running into Pro-Ject Phono Box II, then into a Sony RCD-W100 CD recorder. With Super Bit Mapping enabled on the CD recorder it does produce a pretty good recording. Then rip the recorded disc to WAV format, apply a bit of EQ (15dB cut at 20Hz 1.0 oct to eliminate rumble, 4.5dB lift at 12kHz 1.4 oct to compensate for the soft treble on the otherwise excellent cart), apply adaptive noise reduction and you've got a pretty good transfer. Just tried transferring "Take A Chance On Me" from the original 1977 pressing of ABBA's "The Album". The vinyl version once transferred does actually compare favourably with the version from the original Polydor CD (AAD, taken from the same stereo master as the vinyl and cassette versions). A bit lacking in dynamics compared to the CD, but I'd put a lot of that down to wear. It is after all a 1977 pressing, which was bought new and played extensively on a 1970s music centre (with the usual heavy tracking and rough stylus). If anyone's that interested I'll put some clips up of the vinyl and CD versions for comparison... -- Glenn Richards Tel: (01453) 845735 Squirrel Solutions http://www.squirrelsolutions.co.uk/ IT consultancy, hardware and software support, broadband installation |
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"Glenn Richards" wrote in message ... Keith G wrote: A doddle!! :-) Nice idea, but I wonder how many people have a flat level surface next to their PC? And of those that do, how many have a scanner plonked there... Run some wires then - even USB's good for five metres....!! |
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On Sat, 27 May 2006 13:18:02 +0100, Glenn Richards
wrote: Just tried transferring "Take A Chance On Me" from the original 1977 pressing of ABBA's "The Album". The vinyl version once transferred does actually compare favourably with the version from the original Polydor CD (AAD, taken from the same stereo master as the vinyl and cassette versions). A bit lacking in dynamics compared to the CD, but I'd put a lot of that down to wear. It is after all a 1977 pressing, which was bought new and played extensively on a 1970s music centre (with the usual heavy tracking and rough stylus). If anyone's that interested I'll put some clips up of the vinyl and CD bad the P versions for comparison... Please! I'd be fascinated to hear just how much better your digital transfer is than the earlier Polydor one. Seriously. |
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"Mikkel Breiler" wrote in message ... On Wed, 24 May 2006 18:20:01 +0100, "Keith G" wrote: http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnw :Features: :Plug & Play USB. :Adjustable anti-skating control. :33.3 / 45 RPM. :78 RPM records can be transferred by recording at 33.3 / 45 RPM andusing software to restore to original speed. You will however have to purchase a special stylus (not included, but available from specialist retailers) to playback 78s. :Line level RCA outputs (with built-in pre-amp). :Adjustable pitch control +/- 10%. :1/8" Stereo line input. I have difficulty understanding how this way of recording a 78 rpm record is a feature. It certainly is stretching the concept of feature in my book. Firebox apparantly had a question from someone regardin thi very "feature": ::I haven't actually purchased one of these (yet), but probably will. It is a very neat product. I know someone who has a sizeable collection of 78s which they would like transferred. It seems a terrible shame, however, that this model doesn't do 78rpm. It would make it a near-perfect device. :Firebox says: Looks like your dreams have come true, Don. The USB Turntable CAN record 78s at 33.3/45 RPM and convert them back using software. You will need a special stylus though (not included, but available from specialist retailers). :Don, Belfast - May '06 It reminds me of one of those Dilbert cartoons where his dog tells someone that he will replace their tv with one that 'looks just like it' :) http://www.djstore.co.uk/cgi-bin/item.pl?item=ionittusb :Details: :The Worlds first USB turntable :Record vinyl records onto your computer :CD with Mac/PC Record Recording Software :Supplied complete with USB Cable :Cartridge with Stylus (spare stylus available) :45 Adaptor (for jukebox singles with large centres) :33 1/3 and 45 RPM playback speeds - the supplied software allows conversion of 78 records too :Adjustable Anti-Skating control for increased stereo balancing :High speed vinyl recording :Line level RCA outputs And also the same 78 rpm record recording "feature". "High speed vinyl recording"? How is it possibly to record a 78 rpm record at 33 or 45 rpm and then not have the "High speed vinyl recording" make it happen in real time? Because 78 rpm record are made of shellak and the 33 and 45 rpm records are vinyl? :) These packages contain so many compromises that for any old fart to bother spending time on converting his / her collection they are better off just buying the titles on CD. And if their hearing is so poor that they cannot hear the difference between this way of doing it and hooking up good gear to do the same anyway then they deserve spending the money and the time only to find that it can sound horrible to other people. I'm not sure that I did write much of the above, but I only 'digitise' what vinyl I want to hear in a 'background mode' (ie play to death) or in the car, otherwise I see little point in digitising vinyl at all - much of the appeal of LPs for me is in the handling and playing. High speed recording (dubbing) of any type stinks in my book and I reckon trying to 'capture' the proper sound of a 78 with a 'slow speed recording' on a 33/45 deck with an ordinary stylus is too ridiculous a prospect to comment!! (I'm not sure there's any point playing 78s 'electronically', in any case!!) |
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On Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:46:32 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote: (I'm not sure there's any point playing 78s 'electronically', in any case!!) To hear the music on them? |
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