Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

I'm hoping someone here can either help directly or suggest another more
suitable group.

I've just moved from by the sea near Lymington, Hants, where my JVC
receiver could pull in a 1st-class signal for ClassicFM using just 3 ft of
co-ax hung behind a cupboard as aerial, to an area between Farnham and
Hindhead, where there is an odd problem with the signal.

(Because this is a fringe area I've had a VHF aerial installed above the
roof and connected through a booster box that boosts all incoming UHF & VHF
signals to the various sockets in the house.)

The odd thing about reception is that although the MUSIC on ClassicFM is
beautifully clear, when the presenters start talking their VOICES
are muffled and boomy (except for what I take to be pre-recorded
commercials).

I cannot understand why that should be so. Suggestions, please?

Many thanks in advance...

--
Maurice Batey
(Retired in Surrey, UK)

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

"Maurice Battey"

I've just moved from by the sea near Lymington, Hants, where my JVC
receiver could pull in a 1st-class signal for ClassicFM using just 3 ft of
co-ax hung behind a cupboard as aerial, to an area between Farnham and
Hindhead, where there is an odd problem with the signal.

(Because this is a fringe area I've had a VHF aerial installed above the
roof and connected through a booster box that boosts all incoming UHF &
VHF
signals to the various sockets in the house.)

The odd thing about reception is that although the MUSIC on ClassicFM is
beautifully clear, when the presenters start talking their VOICES
are muffled and boomy (except for what I take to be pre-recorded
commercials).

I cannot understand why that should be so. Suggestions, please?



** Hardly possible for that to be an antenna or reception issue.

Consider that in moving house, you now have a whole new listening room and
speaker set up which generating more low frequency reverberation that
previously.

Also, male announcers often have the studio mic very close to their lips and
speak in a soft voice, exaggerating the bass content.

Try listening via good headphones to see what is being dished up.




......... Phil

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article , Maurice Batey
writes
I'm hoping someone here can either help directly or suggest another more
suitable group.

I've just moved from by the sea near Lymington, Hants, where my JVC
receiver could pull in a 1st-class signal for ClassicFM using just 3 ft of
co-ax hung behind a cupboard as aerial, to an area between Farnham and
Hindhead, where there is an odd problem with the signal.

(Because this is a fringe area I've had a VHF aerial installed above the
roof and connected through a booster box that boosts all incoming UHF & VHF
signals to the various sockets in the house.)

The odd thing about reception is that although the MUSIC on ClassicFM is
beautifully clear, when the presenters start talking their VOICES
are muffled and boomy (except for what I take to be pre-recorded
commercials).

I cannot understand why that should be so. Suggestions, please?

Many thanks in advance...


Its called audio processing;)...
--
Tony Sayer

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:16:30 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its called audio processing;)

Erm, could you expand a little on that, please?
(Preferably words of few syllables...)

--
Maurice Batey

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article , Maurice Batey
writes
On Wed, 19 Jul 2006 18:16:30 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Its called audio processing;)

Erm, could you expand a little on that, please?
(Preferably words of few syllables...)


Yes its what they do and don't do to sod up the audio so more people can
hear it!. Once their used to be standards in Radio broadcasting...

Theres a bit over on alt.radio.digital writ by the chief eng of classic
FM.. that explains it all sadly:((
--
Tony Sayer

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 10:09:04 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

Try listening via good headphones to see what is being dished up.

Great tip!
Just got round to trying that - and the voices are crystal clear!

But where does that leave me w.r.t. the speakers?

(Also, in the same room, a transistor radio puts out perfectly clear
music & voices, as does a DAB digital radio in the kitchen (even
though the UK Post Code guide to DAB said it could not be received here).)

I'm just totally baffled as to what is happening when the input goes
out to the speakers..

--
Maurice Batey

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

"Maurice Batey"

I'm just totally baffled as to what is happening when the input goes
out to the speakers..


** Maybe try ACTUALLY reading the first part of my post you snipped.




........ Phil

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article , Maurice Batey
writes
On Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:37:39 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Theres a bit over on alt.radio.digital

But mine's not a digital receiver - it's FM.

Or are you saying the comments apply equally to FM?


Well that article over on alt.radio.digital was writ by One Quientin
Howard of digital one, and it didn't bode well for audio quality as
they, the broadcasters see it!.....
--
Tony Sayer

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 10:08:55 +1000, Phil Allison wrote:

Maybe try ACTUALLY reading the first part of my post you snipped.


Oh, I but did, Phil!

However, I'm still no nearer even to beginning to understand what is
happening to the voices, which are both muffled, boomy, and faint -
apart from those in pre-recorded commercials.
The latter, as with the music - are perfectly clear.

Do you have any suggestions as to what I should look for, or try?
That would be much appreciated.

--
Maurice Batey

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article ,
Maurice Batey wrote:
Try listening via good headphones to see what is being dished up.

Great tip!
Just got round to trying that - and the voices are crystal clear!

But where does that leave me w.r.t. the speakers?

Have you a mono button on your system? What happens if you press this - to
the sound from the speakers and headphones? And have you another source -
like CD - to try through the same amp/speaker combination?

--
*If at first you don't succeed, avoid skydiving.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

"Maurice Batey"


Maybe try ACTUALLY reading the first part of my post you snipped.


Oh, I but did, Phil!



** Then put it back in view -


you ****ING AUTISIC POMMY ****









....... Phil

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"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Maurice Batey"


Maybe try ACTUALLY reading the first part of my post you snipped.


Oh, I but did, Phil!



** Then put it back in view -


you ****ING AUTISIC POMMY ****



Well done, moron - you just made it into my ****ter....

(Who TF needs this puerile crap on their screen...??)

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Well done, moron - you just made it into my ****ter....

(Who TF needs this puerile crap on their screen...??)

Heh heh - thanks for quoting it when he's got the doubtful accolade of
being the only one in the whole world in my killfile.;-)

--
*I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

"Keith G"

"Maurice Batey"


Maybe try ACTUALLY reading the first part of my post you snipped.


Oh, I but did, Phil!



** Then put it back in view -


you ****ING AUTISTIC POMMY ****



Well done, moron -


** GO **** A RABID DOG.

You BRAIN DEAD Pommy Pustule !!







....... Phil

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:03:03 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Have you a mono button on your system? What happens if you press this - to
the sound from the speakers and headphones?

Much to my amazement, when I switched the FM mode to 'mono' the audible
output from the speakers went lower and muffled - much like the mic.
speech on ClassicFM! The very opposite of what one would expect.

N.B. I am also trying a different pair of speakers, replacing my own
Goodmans Wharfedales by a pair of ATL 705 Pro's.
It has made not the slightest difference to the core problem.

And have you another source -
like CD - to try through the same amp/speaker combination?

Tried that; CD music is excellent - but I don't have any with speech.

Interestingly, I listened also to Radio 3, and found the presenter's live
speech was fine, as was the music...

As I said earlier, with ClassicFM the music is fine, as are also the
pre-recorded commercials; it's just that what I take to be the live mic.
feed that distorts dreadfully - low and muffled, with a little hiss.

I guess the time is appoaching to look look for a different receiver to
try. (This one is a 4-year-old JVC RX-6010RBK.)

--
Maurice Batey
(Retired in Surrey, UK)

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article , Maurice Batey
writes
On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:03:03 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Have you a mono button on your system? What happens if you press this - to
the sound from the speakers and headphones?

Much to my amazement, when I switched the FM mode to 'mono' the audible
output from the speakers went lower and muffled - much like the mic.
speech on ClassicFM! The very opposite of what one would expect.

N.B. I am also trying a different pair of speakers, replacing my own
Goodmans Wharfedales by a pair of ATL 705 Pro's.
It has made not the slightest difference to the core problem.

And have you another source -
like CD - to try through the same amp/speaker combination?

Tried that; CD music is excellent - but I don't have any with speech.

Interestingly, I listened also to Radio 3, and found the presenter's live
speech was fine, as was the music...

As I said earlier, with ClassicFM the music is fine, as are also the
pre-recorded commercials; it's just that what I take to be the live mic.
feed that distorts dreadfully - low and muffled, with a little hiss.

I guess the time is appoaching to look look for a different receiver to
try. (This one is a 4-year-old JVC RX-6010RBK.)


Just had a listen and whilst its not first class audio didn't sound
quite as bad as your describing. Do you know what transmitter your
using?...
--
Tony Sayer

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

In article ,
Maurice Batey wrote:
Have you a mono button on your system? What happens if you press this - to
the sound from the speakers and headphones?

Much to my amazement, when I switched the FM mode to 'mono' the audible
output from the speakers went lower and muffled - much like the mic.
speech on ClassicFM! The very opposite of what one would expect.

Sounds like some sort of crosstalk or phase problem. The announcer will be
in mono while the music will be in stereo. If you take two channels of the
same mono and invert the phase of one, you'll get near absolute
cancellation of the signal. If you attenuate one or the other only part
cancellation. Stereo may appear at first to be less effected, depending on
content, since the two channels ain't identical.

If an external source like a CD is fine, I'd *guess* at a problem with the
multiplex decoder in the FM tuner.

--
*Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Problem receiving ClassicFM
 

On Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:59:08 +0100, tony sayer wrote:

Do you know what transmitter your
using?...

Only recently arrived in Farnham/Hindhead area, so haven't found out yet...

There is an another amplifier I can try; just need to get hold of
another tuner...

--
Maurice Batey
(Retired in Surrey, UK)

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On Sat, 05 Aug 2006 17:58:16 +0100, Maurice Batey wrote:

There is an another amplifier I can try; just need to get hold of
another tuner...

Well, I realised my Pure DAB digital radio had a 'stereo out' socket so
connected it as a tuner to a free input on my JVC receiver.

Result: Everything perfect!

At first I asssumed this proved that there was a problem with the VHF
tuner section of the receiver, but then the possibility came to mind
that perhaps the digital radio signals here are much stronger than
the VHF.
(However, according to the DAB web site we shouldn't be receiving
digital radio at all in this post-code area. But we do - in any part of
the house, although a few miles away in Farnham there is a problem.)

Either way, I'm happy that we can now listen to ClassicFM distortion free
on the HiFi, even though we still don't know what the problem was...

(Next step is to try the receiver back in its previous home, to see if it
now has a problem there.)

--
Maurice Batey
(Retired in Surrey, UK)