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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Iain, of course, has an axe to grind since he makes a living out of
supplying/using old technology for those who want it, and good luck to
him, but why the others like a recorded medium that alters and degrades
the original master when better alternatives exist I'll never know.

Dave. Please stop this irritating spate of dissemination of
false information. I do not make a living in the way you
describe above. The great majority of the project in which
I am involved are 24bit digital. If a client asks for analogue
multitrack (as is sometimes the case in jazz or R+R concerts)
then ours is one of the few crews that can supply this and
have the expertise required for its use. Monitoring is also
something in which many clients like to have a say. A good
selection of professional monitors and amplifiers is available,
plus valve power amps if required.

So you supply all this old analogue equipment for free? I didn't say you
used it exclusively. Nor was it in any way a criticism - if a client wants
something and is willing to pay I see nothing wrong in supplying it.


As a man who seems so keen on accuracy in reproduced sound,
you seem remarkably lax with the written word:-)

I was trying to give a 'get out' to a pro who continually makes ambiguous
statements about how vinyl sounds better by quoting non sequitur examples.

I'm also still waiting for your explanation of the 'strengths' of vinyl
which you mentioned earlier.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Fri, 4 Aug 2006 09:02:21 +0300, "Iain Churches"
wrote:

Iain, of course, has an axe to grind since he makes a living out of
supplying/using old technology for those who want it, and good luck to
him, but why the others like a recorded medium that alters and degrades
the original master when better alternatives exist I'll never know.

Dave. Please stop this irritating spate of dissemination of
false information. I do not make a living in the way you
describe above. The great majority of the project in which
I am involved are 24bit digital. If a client asks for analogue
multitrack (as is sometimes the case in jazz or R+R concerts)
then ours is one of the few crews that can supply this and
have the expertise required for its use. Monitoring is also
something in which many clients like to have a say. A good
selection of professional monitors and amplifiers is available,
plus valve power amps if required.

So your USP is being able to supply/use old technology for those who
want it. Fine. Why advertise it in one statement then deny it in
another?

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"Iain Churches" wrote in message
.. .

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...

Iain, of course, has an axe to grind since he makes a living out of
supplying/using old technology for those who want it, and good luck to
him, but why the others like a recorded medium that alters and degrades
the original master when better alternatives exist I'll never know.

Dave. Please stop this irritating spate of dissemination of
false information. I do not make a living in the way you
describe above. The great majority of the project in which
I am involved are 24bit digital. If a client asks for analogue
multitrack (as is sometimes the case in jazz or R+R concerts)
then ours is one of the few crews that can supply this and
have the expertise required for its use. Monitoring is also
something in which many clients like to have a say. A good
selection of professional monitors and amplifiers is available,
plus valve power amps if required.


As a man who seems so keen on accuracy in reproduced sound,
you seem remarkably lax with the written word:-)



Hey Iain - you picked up a 'So you' *and* a 'So your' with the one post!!

Way to go!! :-)

(Btw, be thankful that it's only his words that Plowie wants to put in your
mouth...... ;-)

Or is it.....

:-0

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Vinyl features in movies (even very recent ones) as a matter of course
it appears - I find it hard to believe you don't know anyone in the
real world who uses it...

The movies reflect real life? Hang on while I nip into a telephone box...



Couldn't make that the Titanic, could you...???



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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Paul" wrote in message
...

No, just rebutting the usual BS from the ignorant and misguided who
actually think that the vinyl format has any unique inherent SQ
advantages.


Wouldn't know and don't care...
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If you had an interest in fidelity you would want to know and you would
care!
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...I play it only for the *sound*....

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Bingo!!!!!
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Consider this - 50s Jazz and 60s Rock on anything *other* than
vinyl....??


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Am I correct in thinking that 40s and 60s Jazz, 50s and 70s Rock etc is ok
on CD et al?
What was the change in those two decades (and only to those two genres I
presume) that made the difference?
Out of curiosity, do you know why 'they' found the need to revert or
change again?
Can you explain why those genres of music created in other decades fair
less well on vinyl?
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(Ludicrous prospect, isn't it! ;-)


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Well, I must say that it is not the prospect that I find ludicrous :)
You certainly do have the gift for making people laugh (well me at any
rate) but, in all seriousness, I for one would like your explanation.
I am always willing to learn from an authoritative source such as yourself
:)

Paul
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Hey!
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Fidelity Man (aka I'm 'Gone' :-))
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Lose
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the
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****ing
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stoopid
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lines
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if
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you
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want
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to
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talk
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to
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me!
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Otherwise
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you're
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headed
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for
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the
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****ter
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under
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the
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'General ****: Not Worth The Bother'
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clause...
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OK?

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Paul" wrote in message
...

No, just rebutting the usual BS from the ignorant and misguided who
actually think that the vinyl format has any unique inherent SQ
advantages.


Wouldn't know and don't care...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you had an interest in fidelity you would want to know and you would
care!
------------------------------------------------------------------------

...I play it only for the *sound*....

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bingo!!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Consider this - 50s Jazz and 60s Rock on anything *other* than
vinyl....??


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Am I correct in thinking that 40s and 60s Jazz, 50s and 70s Rock etc is
ok
on CD et al?
What was the change in those two decades (and only to those two genres I
presume) that made the difference?
Out of curiosity, do you know why 'they' found the need to revert or
change again?
Can you explain why those genres of music created in other decades fair
less well on vinyl?
------------------------------------------------------------------------

(Ludicrous prospect, isn't it! ;-)


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, I must say that it is not the prospect that I find ludicrous :)
You certainly do have the gift for making people laugh (well me at any
rate) but, in all seriousness, I for one would like your explanation.
I am always willing to learn from an authoritative source such as
yourself
:)

Paul
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Hey!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Fidelity Man (aka I'm 'Gone' :-))
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lose
------------------------------------------------------------------------
the
------------------------------------------------------------------------
****ing
------------------------------------------------------------------------
stoopid
------------------------------------------------------------------------
lines
------------------------------------------------------------------------
if
------------------------------------------------------------------------
you
------------------------------------------------------------------------
want
------------------------------------------------------------------------
to
------------------------------------------------------------------------
talk
------------------------------------------------------------------------
to
------------------------------------------------------------------------
me!
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Otherwise
------------------------------------------------------------------------
you're
------------------------------------------------------------------------
headed
------------------------------------------------------------------------
for
------------------------------------------------------------------------
the
------------------------------------------------------------------------
****ter
------------------------------------------------------------------------
under
------------------------------------------------------------------------
the
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'General ****: Not Worth The Bother'
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clause...
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OK?





Way to go Keith!!! :) :) Rather fractious aren't you :)
'Fidelity Man' - I rather like that! :) Who could possibly stay away when
you're on stage?
So that's the explanation is it! Can't say I understand it though. :)
Joking apart, you are either a 'village idiot' or, for reason or reasons
best know to yourself, wish to masquerade as one.
Have you nothing constructive or pertinent to say? Do you have an
explanation?
Certainly you're response would indicate that you don't. All the hallmarks
of a beaten man I'd say. Inevitable really - did you honestly believe you
could make such crass statements and hope to get away with it? Now tell me,
aren't you feeling just a little foolish right now?
Redemption is just a keyboard away - type something relevant and meaningful.

Look Keith, no lines - I won't take no response for an answer :)

Paul

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Sockpuppet "Paul" dropped his cock for a moment and
wrote:


Look Keith, no lines - I won't take no response for an answer :)


OK sonny, stand by and I'll get back to you later. I got a few chores to do
right now.....

Make that *might* get back to you later - I'm not sure you've typed anything
yet worth reading, let alone replying to....

Meanwhile go check your *Fidelity* or better yet, perhaps you could list the
kit you use, while you are waiting - to give me some idea of how much of a
yappy little **** you are..???

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Jim, Interesting stuff. Thank you.

My impression is that the main reasons most people have taken to MP3 is
that it can be 'cheap and easy' with little regard for the actual sound
quality. The selling point of players tends to be how many 'tracks' they
can hold with no comment on the sound quality.


I guess so but I would add that I also attribute MP3 popularity, in the
main, to piracy. It is perhaps not surprising what people are willing to
accept when they don't have to pay for it!


I agree. However I also think that the reality is that for other items in
the chain, e,g, amplifiers, the level of any imperfections is generally
simply less sigificant than it becomes with speakers and the listening
room
acoustic. I say this as someone who used to design amplifiers for a
living.

I couldn't argue with that but reason does tell me that the first and most
important area for examination must be the source (capture and retrieval).
I find it interesting that, at the other end of the system, we again have
immense scope for 'messing up' earlier good work - another mechanical
device.
While I haven't seen them mentioned in this group (perhaps a dirty word?),
what is your view on headphones?

Paul

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Sockpuppet "Paul" dropped his cock for a moment and
wrote:


Yawn :) Not quite what I had hoped for but pretty much what I had expected.

OK sonny, stand by and I'll get back to you later. I got a few chores to
do right now.....


I guess one of your chores is dig a deeper hole? Absolutely no rush Keith :)
(although see below.)

Make that *might* get back to you later - I'm not sure you've typed
anything yet worth reading, let alone replying to....


Not sure? Need more time?
Let me remove a little embarrassment (and your shovel). Can I ask that you
don't bother? I cannot see any evidence in *any* of your posts that you have
anything constructive or pertinent to say. (I welcome constructive criticism
too you know.) You have not once addressed anything I've written - correct?
I doubt that will change so it would be nothing more than a waste of my
time.

...perhaps you could list the kit you use, ...

Nope. I am not about to allow you refuge there oh master of the smoke
screen! :) Besides, I've given you a get out above - which I hope you will
take.
If you have indeed read any of my posts (and understood even just a little)
you should be aware that I *am* critical of my own system(s) - all systems!
I have no need of your input.

Over and out?

Paul.

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In article , Paul

wrote:


I agree. However I also think that the reality is that for other items
in the chain, e,g, amplifiers, the level of any imperfections is
generally simply less sigificant than it becomes with speakers and the
listening room acoustic. I say this as someone who used to design
amplifiers for a living.

I couldn't argue with that but reason does tell me that the first and
most important area for examination must be the source (capture and
retrieval).

I'd agree. However the only real control over that which most of us get is
to choose with the care the LP/CD/broadcasts we listen to. It is one of the
reasons I am a long-term 'fan' of BBC Radio 3 as their broadcasting people
often do a wonderful job of capturing the sound of a live performance.


I find it interesting that, at the other end of the system,
we again have immense scope for 'messing up' earlier good work -
another mechanical device. While I haven't seen them mentioned in this
group (perhaps a dirty word?), what is your view on headphones?

Personally, I use them for 'editing' type purposes. But I tend to find them
uncomfortable for serious listening, and prefer good speakers, carefully
placed in the room. However they can deliver excellent results. Again,
however this depends on the source material as well as the tastes of the
end-user.

Slainte,

Jim

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