"Keith G" wrote in message
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but I'm not really a *speaker person* - luckily, my choice of single, FR
driver speakers has enabled me to avoid the problems with/of crossovers and
I don't really know much about them.
I understand from looking around that the Wharfedale Super12FS/AL is a full
ranfe driver. They talk a little about them on the Full Range Driver Forum.
I am not sure how you get a 12" driver to produce the full range.

Keith G wrote:

(I love it when noobies try to tell me about **** like 'listener
fatigue'....!!)

Noobie ?

I've 'doing' audio for 40 years, over 30 of them in a professional capacity.

Graham

"APR" wrote in message
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"Keith G" wrote in message
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but I'm not really a *speaker person* - luckily, my choice of single, FR
driver speakers has enabled me to avoid the problems with/of crossovers
and I don't really know much about them.
I understand from looking around that the Wharfedale Super12FS/AL is a
full ranfe driver. They talk a little about them on the Full Range Driver
Forum.


OK - interesting. I really must try to get back into that forum!


I am not sure how you get a 12" driver to produce the full range.


Lightweight paper cone, short throw (Xmax??) and a *very* powerful magnet!
(That way the driver's been there and done it, by the time summat flubbery's
just started out!! ;-)

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Eeyore wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:

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Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.

Interesting becuase i always thought listener fatigue happened after
extensive listening, that would be the B in an A/B comparison

How about after an hour ?

Graham

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Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing allows
the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Which is what I said.

If listner fatigue were the cause then A would be the prefered
component since that listening took place with less fatigue.

It would be the one that created the original fatigue.

Graham

APR wrote:

I am not sure how you get a 12" driver to produce the full range.

Fairly badly usually !

Graham

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:

wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.

Interesting becuase i always thought listener fatigue happened after
extensive listening, that would be the B in an A/B comparison

How about after an hour ?
depends on the system. But I think you missed the point the B will
always follow the A so it will always involve greater listener fatigue


Scott

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
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The funny thing is when someone
says the food at such and such is great no one demands proof via DBTs.

But presumably they aren't making claims for 'fidelity' into the bargain !

Doesn't matter.

Because it's irrelevant in the case of restaurants.


Right answer wrong reason.


Scott

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Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:
wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the *improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play. There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.

Interesting becuase i always thought listener fatigue happened after
extensive listening, that would be the B in an A/B comparison

How about after an hour ?
depends on the system. But I think you missed the point the B will
always follow the A so it will always involve greater listener fatigue

But if there's a short break between A and B ?

Graham

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wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:
Eeyore wrote:
Iain Churches wrote:
wrote in message
Eeyore wrote:
Keith G wrote:

After an hour I can say it's fine/OK and
if it was all I had I wouldn't be too unhappy, but usually
when I swap
back
to the valves (haven't got time atm) I find the
*improvement* is
instantaneous and reaffirming.

It's called listening fatigue. The break that you give
yourself so doing
allows the ear to recover. Now try it the other way round !

Hmmm I read somewhere that the opposite is usually in play.
There seems
to be a common bias to prefer the second smaple in an A/B
comparison.

Actually it seems that was what I was saying ! I wasn't thinking of
an A/B
comparison per se actually but I can well believe it.

Interesting becuase i always thought listener fatigue happened after
extensive listening, that would be the B in an A/B comparison

How about after an hour ?
depends on the system. But I think you missed the point the B will
always follow the A so it will always involve greater listener fatigue

But if there's a short break between A and B ?

Graham

To solve this problem why don't we do the B sample first???