It wuz on the telly...
 

....so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as having
said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up. Don't hold me
to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have been along the
following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some of
these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love playing
them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a stack of
singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them than some of
the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said summat
like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the record play
was an important part of the experience!!

:-)

It wuz on the telly...
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as having
said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

It depends on his definition of outlive.

As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up.
No they are not as most shops don't even stck them and haven't for years.

Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have been
along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!


What a load of rubbish! I like the way you can just pluck a figure from the
air and qualify it by saying not to hold you to it. Statistics say whatever
you want them to.
It also depends on whether that was one shop, one chain of shops, one area,
across the UK or world.

Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some of
these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

Two different unrelated arguments, you need to seperate the two.

What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!

Was he taking any drugs at the time as a "young lad" would not say that !
Young people don't appreciate records as they have been brought up on CD and
MP3, so not many of them will have experience of records. They would tend
to class them as old peoples things - making them uncool to be associated
with.
Again, to get the answer you want, you have to phrase a question a certain
way.

:-)


I don't see the point you were trying to make. Was it just that you like
playing records? If so then great, i'm happy for you. Try carrying a
record player and generator on a bus or train, or in the street. You would
probably be sectioned.

It wuz on the telly...
 

"malc" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

...so it must be true!

On the telly, earlier this evening, Paul Gambaccini was reported as
having said he thought the 7" vinyl single could outlive the CD!!

It depends on his definition of outlive.


Uh oh, this don't look good....


As I said here a long time ago - vinyl singles are on the up.
No they are not as most shops don't even stck them and haven't for years.


Gawd, thought as much....



Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!


What a load of rubbish! I like the way you can just pluck a figure from
the air and qualify it by saying not to hold you to it.


I gave approximate figures as an indicator, I suspect the 'accurate' figures
are 178,800 for 2001 and 1.4 million for 2005 but who's to know?? You still
can't hold me to them......



Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....



It also depends on whether that was one shop, one chain of shops, one
area, across the UK or world.


Try working on the words 'UK sales'....



Naturally I am pleased to hear this because the sound quality from some
of these little buggers (at 45 rpm) can be very good indeed and I love
playing them myself! I have often said that a couple of kids playing a
stack of singles back in the 60s probably got more enjoyment from them
than some of the 'audiophiles' do today on the most expensive kit!

Two different unrelated arguments, you need to seperate the two.


???


(*Need*....???)



What was interesting was the young lad on the TV prog said what he like
about the singles was the physical aspect of having something to see and
hold! (As opposed to the 'virtual music' of the iPods!) PG also said
summat like playing a record involved the visual sense and watching the
record play was an important part of the experience!!

Was he taking any drugs at the time as a "young lad" would not say that !


???


Young people don't appreciate records as they have been brought up on CD
and MP3, so not many of them will have experience of records. They would
tend to class them as old peoples things - making them uncool to be
associated with.


WTF *are you going on about? I just told you - 16 year olds are buying 7
inch singles. It was on the bloody telly!! Do you think they would bother to
broadcast that if it wasn't true....??


Again, to get the answer you want, you have to phrase a question a certain
way.


Who TF is asking questions? What's that got to do with anything?



:-)


I don't see the point you were trying to make. Was it just that you like
playing records? If so then great, i'm happy for you. Try carrying a
record player and generator on a bus or train, or in the street. You
would probably be sectioned.


Stoppit already.....

Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=...file_938.shtml


And have a little think about it all......

It wuz on the telly...
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were said
to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were said to
be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl. They went
on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to meet demand.

I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed with the
standard of son's turntable last time I looked.

It wuz on the telly...
 

"APR" wrote in message
...

"Keith G" wrote in message
...


Don't hold me to these figures but I believe the recent UK sales have
been along the following lines:

2001 - £178,000 (approx)

2005 - over a £million!

Low and behold Keith, on an Aussie TV news channel tonight I started
recording to hard drive just as the announcer was stating that 178,000
records were sold in the year in Aussie 5 years ago. Current sales were
said to exceed 1,000,000/year and demand is climbing. The new buyers were
said to be young people who are replacing their CD collection with vinyl.
They went on to say there is only one press operational in Australia to
meet demand.



The same figures work for Australia also....???

Now, that *is* queer......



I have a young bloke in Sydney who plays Jazz around the venues and he and
his mates (musicians) all play vinyl, although, I wasn't impressed with
the standard of son's turntable last time I looked.


The kid on the (UK) news article I saw said he was using his grandfather's
(??) tt but was saving up for his own!

I suspect the youngsters who do buy decks mostly go for the 'disco' type:

http://www.djkit.co.uk/sectionindexes/decks.php

There are some pretty sexy bits of kit available with inbuilt DACs and Phono
Stages, USB connectivity and (best of all) blue or red lights on 'em!! One
thing which is a bit impressive if the ability to record 78s and 'software
convert' them to 33s!!

http://www.firebox.com/index.html?di...01&src _t=wnp

(Don't know how good it would be, but I suspect it would be hard to
tell...?? ;-)

It wuz on the telly...
 

On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:47:21 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"malc" wrote in message
...


Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....

Years ago I read a book called "How to lie with statistics" which
shows how to select and present genuine and accurate information to
give virtually whatever conclusion you want. Never trusted statiscal
results since, especially if they come from
salemen/politicians/pressure groups etc.


Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

This one actually gives some figures at the bottom, if you believe
them of course!

7 inch vinyl sales for 2005 -- 288,780
Total single sales for 2005 -- 11,040,075

So vinyl singles sales were 2.6% of the total market.

Yes, vinyl singles sales increased by 87% but from an insignificant
base. Also note that overall sales increased by 52%.

Someone says that vinyl singles sales have increased by 87% (a big
number) but gives no other figures. The naive observer concludes that
vinyl sales are doing well and becoming significant. Look at the real
figures and the true picture emerges.

Otherwise known as lying with statistics.

http://www.bpi.co.uk/index.asp?Page=...file_938.shtml


And have a little think about it all......

It wuz on the telly...
 

"Bill Taylor" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:47:21 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"malc" wrote in message
...


Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....

Years ago I read a book called "How to lie with statistics" which
shows how to select and present genuine and accurate information to
give virtually whatever conclusion you want. Never trusted statiscal
results since, especially if they come from
salemen/politicians/pressure groups etc.


Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

This one actually gives some figures at the bottom, if you believe
them of course!

7 inch vinyl sales for 2005 -- 288,780
Total single sales for 2005 -- 11,040,075

So vinyl singles sales were 2.6% of the total market.

Yes, vinyl singles sales increased by 87% but from an insignificant
base. Also note that overall sales increased by 52%.

Someone says that vinyl singles sales have increased by 87% (a big
number) but gives no other figures. The naive observer concludes that
vinyl sales are doing well and becoming significant. Look at the real
figures and the true picture emerges.

Otherwise known as lying with statistics.



Have I got 'Toopid' or summat tattooed on my forehead that I need a lecture
on statistics? No-one in his right mind believes a word of what politicians,
salesmen, clergymen and most 'professionals' say, but to dismiss all
statistics as 'lies, all lies' is a little ignorant to say the least.
Without the scientific application of 'statististic' you'd still be queueing
for the toilet somewhere....

(Long before there was *digital anything* my grandfather told me not to
believe half what I see or anything that I hear....!! ;-)

It wuz on the telly...
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Bill Taylor" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 17 Sep 2006 23:47:21 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"malc" wrote in message
...


Statistics say whatever
you want them to.


No they don't, not if they are genuine and accurate.....

Years ago I read a book called "How to lie with statistics" which
shows how to select and present genuine and accurate information to
give virtually whatever conclusion you want. Never trusted statiscal
results since, especially if they come from
salemen/politicians/pressure groups etc.


Tell you what, chill out and read these:

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/netmusic/...526590,00.html

http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index...ge=1&pagepos=2

This one actually gives some figures at the bottom, if you believe
them of course!

7 inch vinyl sales for 2005 -- 288,780
Total single sales for 2005 -- 11,040,075

So vinyl singles sales were 2.6% of the total market.

Yes, vinyl singles sales increased by 87% but from an insignificant
base. Also note that overall sales increased by 52%.

Someone says that vinyl singles sales have increased by 87% (a big
number) but gives no other figures. The naive observer concludes that
vinyl sales are doing well and becoming significant. Look at the real
figures and the true picture emerges.

Otherwise known as lying with statistics.



Have I got 'Toopid' or summat tattooed on my forehead that I need a
lecture on statistics? No-one in his right mind believes a word of what
politicians, salesmen, clergymen and most 'professionals' say, but to
dismiss all statistics as 'lies, all lies' is a little ignorant to say the
least. Without the scientific application of 'statististic' you'd still be
queueing for the toilet somewhere....

(Long before there was *digital anything* my grandfather told me not to
believe half what I see or anything that I hear....!! ;-)


'statististic' ???

(Must be some new type of record cleaner....???)

It wuz on the telly...
 

I don't remember seeing if the sales were entirely new, or included
second hand. Second hand vinyl being collectible that could boost the
value significantly.

It wuz on the telly...
 

I don't remember seeing if the sales were entirely new, or included
second hand. Second hand vinyl being collectible that could boost the
value significantly.