The role of 'fake science' in audio
 

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:

wrote
Eeyore wrote:

Your point completely wrong. people who use live music as areference
are not looking for "colored" sound. All playback is inheently
"colored." The goal is a better illusion of "uncolored" or more
realistic sound. So it is not a case that these people prefer colored
sound at all.

Now consider the same with added low order THD from a valve amp.

If they make the final sound more relistic then it is makes them less
colored.

Big freaking "if"!

And depends entirely on anyone's view of what *realistic* is !

It does? The veiw I know uses the real thing as a reference. What other
views on "realistic" are there? More importantly if they exist are they
relevant?


Radio Shack
had/has still ?a brand called Realistic ffs !


I'm all for joking around but that was a really **** joke.Please do
better or don't do it at all. please



You know if I **** in the next pot o'soup I make, maybe the saltiness will
make the soup taste better. And if you believe that!

I've noticed ( in real life ) that if a soup uses salt to 'taste good', one's
tempted to add more to make it taste 'better'. For my own part I've all but
eliminated salt in my cooking and it tastes one heck of a lot better to me for
it, yet the salt fiends would doubtless disagree !


Aside from the grossness of the comment, it's kind of idiotic on a few
levels. Unlike the *common claim* that tube gear gets us more realistic
sound (so much for the big "if") there is no reference for the taste of
soup. Does salt make soup taste more realistic? The analogy is idiotic.
Some people should stick to what they do best, trolling. When Arny
tries to make a logical argument about audio he inevitably exposes
himself as an ass.

Scott

Scott

The role of 'fake science' in audio
 

wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote
Eeyore wrote:

Your point completely wrong. people who use live music as areference
are not looking for "colored" sound. All playback is inheently
"colored." The goal is a better illusion of "uncolored" or more
realistic sound. So it is not a case that these people prefer colored
sound at all.

Now consider the same with added low order THD from a valve amp.

If they make the final sound more relistic then it is makes them less
colored.

Big freaking "if"!

And depends entirely on anyone's view of what *realistic* is !

It does?

Of course. It's subjective.


The veiw I know uses the real thing as a reference. What other
views on "realistic" are there? More importantly if they exist are they
relevant?

The "veiw I know uses the real thing as a reference"

What's that supposed to mean ?

Are you suggesting I've never heard 'real things' for example ?


Radio Shack had/has still ?a brand called Realistic ffs !

I'm all for joking around but that was a really **** joke.Please do
better or don't do it at all. please

You want an award for trivialisation ?


You know if I **** in the next pot o'soup I make, maybe the saltiness will
make the soup taste better. And if you believe that!

I've noticed ( in real life ) that if a soup uses salt to 'taste good', one's
tempted to add more to make it taste 'better'. For my own part I've all but
eliminated salt in my cooking and it tastes one heck of a lot better to me for
it, yet the salt fiends would doubtless disagree !

Aside from the grossness of the comment, it's kind of idiotic on a few
levels. Unlike the *common claim* that tube gear gets us more realistic
sound

But it doesn't except in *your mind* !


(so much for the big "if") there is no reference for the taste of
soup. Does salt make soup taste more realistic?

If you think it does - for sure.


The analogy is idiotic.
Some people should stick to what they do best, trolling. When Arny
tries to make a logical argument about audio he inevitably exposes
himself as an ass.

What has Arny got to do with it ?

I'll stand on my own 2 feet thank you very much.

Graham

The role of 'fake science' in audio
 

wrote in message
oups.com...

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:


You know if I **** in the next pot o'soup I make, maybe the saltiness
will
make the soup taste better. And if you believe that!

I've noticed ( in real life ) that if a soup uses salt to 'taste good',
one's
tempted to add more to make it taste 'better'. For my own part I've all
but
eliminated salt in my cooking and it tastes one heck of a lot better to
me for
it, yet the salt fiends would doubtless disagree !

In real world cooking I rarely add salt.

Aside from the grossness of the comment, it's kind of idiotic on a few
levels.

Let's talk about truely idiotic, like suing somebody in California Superior
court because they don't like something posted in a newsgroup.

Unlike the *common claim* that tube gear gets us more realistic
sound (so much for the big "if") there is no reference for the taste of
soup.

Sure there is. Every person who cooks soup has an idea in their head of what
the soup should taste like.

Virtually all audiophiles have no proper reference for the sound of an audio
system. As close as they get is an idea in their head of what the system
should sound like.

Does salt make soup taste more realistic?

As compared to that idea of what the soup should taste like?

The analogy is idiotic.

Lack of tact noted. Obviously, I've struck a sore nerve.


Some people should stick to what they do best, trolling. When Arny
tries to make a logical argument about audio he inevitably exposes
himself as an ass.

Folks, that's about as good of a concession speech as anybody has gotten out
of Scott. The man makes no mistakes.

The role of 'fake science' in audio
 

Eeyore wrote:
wrote:

Eeyore wrote:
Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote
Eeyore wrote:

Your point completely wrong. people who use live music as areference
are not looking for "colored" sound. All playback is inheently
"colored." The goal is a better illusion of "uncolored" or more
realistic sound. So it is not a case that these people prefer colored
sound at all.

Now consider the same with added low order THD from a valve amp.

If they make the final sound more relistic then it is makes them less
colored.

Big freaking "if"!

And depends entirely on anyone's view of what *realistic* is !

It does?

Of course. It's subjective.

How so?



The veiw I know uses the real thing as a reference. What other
views on "realistic" are there? More importantly if they exist are they
relevant?

The "veiw I know uses the real thing as a reference"

What's that supposed to mean ?

Exactly what it says. Are there any unfamiliar words or phrases in that
sentence? Is the structure of the sentence giving you troubles?



Are you suggesting I've never heard 'real things' for example ?

No. Maybe you really are having trouble understanding what I said. Was
there any reference to *you* ? Was there any reference to anybody
having "never heard" "real things?" Where on earth did you get such a
bizarre idea?





Radio Shack had/has still ?a brand called Realistic ffs !

I'm all for joking around but that was a really **** joke.Please do
better or don't do it at all. please

You want an award for trivialisation ?

Now that was funny.




You know if I **** in the next pot o'soup I make, maybe the saltiness will
make the soup taste better. And if you believe that!

I've noticed ( in real life ) that if a soup uses salt to 'taste good', one's
tempted to add more to make it taste 'better'. For my own part I've all but
eliminated salt in my cooking and it tastes one heck of a lot better to me for
it, yet the salt fiends would doubtless disagree !

Aside from the grossness of the comment, it's kind of idiotic on a few
levels. Unlike the *common claim* that tube gear gets us more realistic
sound

But it doesn't except in *your mind* !

You do understand we are talking about human perceptions no? Isn't that
where they all reside? I one's mind?





(so much for the big "if") there is no reference for the taste of
soup. Does salt make soup taste more realistic?

If you think it does - for sure.


OK.......


The analogy is idiotic.
Some people should stick to what they do best, trolling. When Arny
tries to make a logical argument about audio he inevitably exposes
himself as an ass.

What has Arny got to do with it ?

Try to follow the thread please.



I'll stand on my own 2 feet thank you very much.


Funny you should chose a post in which you fall flat on your face to
say this. Now that is humor. Thank you. Saltier soup is more realistic
if I think so.... fun ny.




Scott