In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
More like £1600 now.

That's slightly more than the new price for a U87 Ai including VAT.

I've seen them go for that I'm sure. Of course some ppl want an
'original' which the Ai isn't.

Yes. Although I oft wonder if those who like the sound of 'old' mics ever
look at the condition of them? The diaphragms get covered in crud with use
- especially if a close vocal mic - and the material also deteriorates
with age.

Perhaps I got a bargain with my pair - but they did come from a 'distress'
sale and were hard used. Of course I could replace the cases and
windshields, but a little patina never did any harm. ;-)


There are some acceptably good 'copies' to be had though for much
less.

If you say so - I've no personal knowledge of these. Reports say they
are a bit variable between samples - not surprising with something
which relies on precision engineering rather than just electronics.

A good source of advice on this would be Scott Dorsey in rec.audio.pro

Absolutely. Top man.

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In article ,
Eeyore wrote:
Not exclusively. Sanken, for example, make some decent mics.

I've never had the pleasure I'm afraid.

I use a CSS-5 for stereo FX and COS11 as one of a selection of personal
mics.

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:55:42 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 22:51:08 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


Otherwise, what does this look like:

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index.php?id=BEHMIC200


No, go for the UB802, not that - what you are looking at is an effects
box; maybe fun for a few minutes, but ultimately unsatisfying.


OK, noted - thanks!


and which of these (if any):

http://www.bluearan.co.uk/menu/index...ew=Microphones

???


Any of those (apart from the couple at the top) would probably do.


OK - thanks again!


Buy
two of course - you need to be able to record stereo.


Do I though - for recording piano??

What is mystifying me is that if I play that Tone Sweep (20Hz - 20kHz) I can
hear it from the very start and all the way up to a few seconds from the
end! When I was playing with a Tone Generator a while back I lost it at
about 14.5 kHz. Am I being bamboozled...??

Also, bearing in mind that someone at the very epicentre of speaker build
said not, can a cabinet *enhance* a drivers range - IOW, I seem to be
hearing 20 Hz on drivers that only claim 30 Hz at the deep end...??

Getting more and more confused now.....




Back on the air - my ISP has had busted Usenet for a couple of days.
Anyway - of course you need stereo for piano; it is much easier to get
a decent recording that way. Two mics and the mixer should do it. I'm
sure you can find an old mix stand somewhere and I reckon you might
just be capable of making a bar to mount the two mic clips on.

As for the tones and what you hear. 14.5kHz would be about right for
chaps our age - and it does make the top octave a bit academic. It is
only reached a couple of seconds from the end of the sweep because the
sweep is log - equal time per octave. Now, for the low end stuff, what
you are hearing from the 20Hz is certainly second or third harmonics;
they can sound surprisingly like the real thing. The drivers may claim
30Hz (Fs= 36Hz), but in those cabinets they will be falling very
steeply below about 60Hz.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:

Back on the air - my ISP has had busted Usenet for a couple of days.

How did they do that *this time*. Talk about them being a careless bunch or what !

Graham

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the tones and what you hear. 14.5kHz would be about right for
chaps our age - and it does make the top octave a bit academic. It is
only reached a couple of seconds from the end of the sweep because the
sweep is log - equal time per octave. Now, for the low end stuff, what
you are hearing from the 20Hz is certainly second or third harmonics;
they can sound surprisingly like the real thing. The drivers may claim
30Hz (Fs= 36Hz), but in those cabinets they will be falling very
steeply below about 60Hz.

Test tones below 30Hz at even modest levels can make you feel rather sick
in less than the time it takes to tune a reflex port.

--
Eiron

No good deed ever goes unpunished.

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:39:17 +0100, Eeyore
wrote:



Don Pearce wrote:

Back on the air - my ISP has had busted Usenet for a couple of days.

How did they do that *this time*. Talk about them being a careless bunch or what !

Graham

They had a busted hard drive in their RAID and it took them that long
to diagnose it. The mind boggles.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 18:49:48 +0100, Eiron wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

As for the tones and what you hear. 14.5kHz would be about right for
chaps our age - and it does make the top octave a bit academic. It is
only reached a couple of seconds from the end of the sweep because the
sweep is log - equal time per octave. Now, for the low end stuff, what
you are hearing from the 20Hz is certainly second or third harmonics;
they can sound surprisingly like the real thing. The drivers may claim
30Hz (Fs= 36Hz), but in those cabinets they will be falling very
steeply below about 60Hz.

Test tones below 30Hz at even modest levels can make you feel rather sick
in less than the time it takes to tune a reflex port.

Well, if it was a truly tuned port (or rather a line) it would be at
36Hz to match the speaker's resonance, but the dimensions say it is
somewhat above that (it needs about fifteen feet for half wave at
36Hz), so I don't really understand how it is meant to work. Add to
that the fact that the line is tapered, so it is providing some gain
to the back wave, rather than the loss which would make much more
sense, and it is all a bit mysterious.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Still, if the sound suits you.... I'm a treble fiend myself, though.

Seems it suits more than just me, Martin - Lowther have been making the
PM6 speakers for over 50 years now....

Plenty of examples of devices still being marketed when well past their
sell by date, Keith.


Such as?

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 25 Sep 2006 12:55:42 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Do I though - for recording piano??

What is mystifying me is that if I play that Tone Sweep (20Hz - 20kHz) I
can
hear it from the very start and all the way up to a few seconds from the
end! When I was playing with a Tone Generator a while back I lost it at
about 14.5 kHz. Am I being bamboozled...??

Also, bearing in mind that someone at the very epicentre of speaker build
said not, can a cabinet *enhance* a drivers range - IOW, I seem to be
hearing 20 Hz on drivers that only claim 30 Hz at the deep end...??

Getting more and more confused now.....




Back on the air - my ISP has had busted Usenet for a couple of days.


And I have had router problems today!!


Anyway - of course you need stereo for piano; it is much easier to get
a decent recording that way. Two mics and the mixer should do it. I'm
sure you can find an old mix stand somewhere and I reckon you might
just be capable of making a bar to mount the two mic clips on.


OK, noted - thanks for that!


As for the tones and what you hear. 14.5kHz would be about right for
chaps our age - and it does make the top octave a bit academic. It is
only reached a couple of seconds from the end of the sweep because the
sweep is log - equal time per octave.


OK.


Now, for the low end stuff, what
you are hearing from the 20Hz is certainly second or third harmonics;
they can sound surprisingly like the real thing. The drivers may claim
30Hz (Fs= 36Hz), but in those cabinets they will be falling very
steeply below about 60Hz.


Well, the plan is to measure them, but I have had a number of people here
whose reaction has been 'that's lower than mine go'. My point is that,
whatever measurements might show, there is no apparent loss of 'top and
bottom' in normal listening, as far as I can tell. Slight reservation with
the 'bottom' - I've had (and still got) speakers which appear to offer more
'pressure' at the bottom end. Ie will flap yer trousers better!!

"Eiron" wrote in message
...
Don Pearce wrote:

As for the tones and what you hear. 14.5kHz would be about right for
chaps our age - and it does make the top octave a bit academic. It is
only reached a couple of seconds from the end of the sweep because the
sweep is log - equal time per octave. Now, for the low end stuff, what
you are hearing from the 20Hz is certainly second or third harmonics;
they can sound surprisingly like the real thing. The drivers may claim
30Hz (Fs= 36Hz), but in those cabinets they will be falling very
steeply below about 60Hz.

Test tones below 30Hz at even modest levels can make you feel rather sick
in less than the time it takes to tune a reflex port.


Yes, the start of the Tone Sweep actually is quite 'nauseating'...!!