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Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Regards
A

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Jack wrote:

Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Why ?

Graham

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"Jack" wrote in message
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Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD for demonstrating your
systems' sound stage.



Hmm, that's going to be interesting - I'm not aware they have any, other
than a bit of reverb....??

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Eeyore wrote:


Jack wrote:


Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.


Why ?

"Soundstage refers to the depth and richness of an
audio recording (usually referring to the playback
process). According to audiophiles, the quality of
the playback is very much dependent on how one is
able to pick out different instruments, voices,
vocal parts, etc. exactly where they are located
on an imaginary 2D or 3D field. This can enhance
not only the listener's involvement in the
recording but also their overall perception of the
stage." - Wikipedia

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.

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"Jack" wrote

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.


OK then, almost anything by Laurie Anderson - Mr Heartbreak and Strange
Angels in particular...

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Keith G wrote:

"Jack" wrote

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.

OK then, almost anything by Laurie Anderson - Mr Heartbreak and Strange
Angels in particular...

O yes, Laurie Anderson. I only have Big Science.

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"Jack" wrote in message
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Keith G wrote:

"Jack" wrote

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.

OK then, almost anything by Laurie Anderson - Mr Heartbreak and Strange
Angels in particular...

O yes, Laurie Anderson. I only have Big Science.



Excellent album, but perhaps not the best for soundstage and depth...??

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 12:52:27 +0200, Jack wrote:

Eeyore wrote:


Jack wrote:


Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.


Why ?

"Soundstage refers to the depth and richness of an
audio recording (usually referring to the playback
process). According to audiophiles, the quality of
the playback is very much dependent on how one is
able to pick out different instruments, voices,
vocal parts, etc. exactly where they are located
on an imaginary 2D or 3D field. This can enhance
not only the listener's involvement in the
recording but also their overall perception of the
stage." - Wikipedia

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.

The definitive soundstage recording is a DDD Delos CD of the 1812
overture conducted by James de Priest. It is a masterpiece of imaging,
and you can hear the location of virtually every individual member of
the orchestra. Too many recordings are so over-processed that the
sound stage disappears in a sea of added reverb.

Anyway, get yourself this one and be amazed. Not a bad performance
either.

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Jack" wrote in message
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Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Regards
A

That's easy - Roger Waters - Flickering Flame. It's
recorded in Q Sound which is a 3D sound field from stereo.
We have on track 2 - Too Much Rope a stage coach travelling
across the whole sound stage L-R and then a little later a
F50 Ferrari goes the other way at full song. Oh and it's
not a bad album either.

Cheers TT

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"Jack"


"Soundstage refers to the depth and richness of an audio recording
(usually referring to the playback process). According to audiophiles, the
quality of the playback is very much dependent on how one is able to pick
out different instruments, voices, vocal parts, etc. exactly where they
are located on an imaginary 2D or 3D field. This can enhance not only the
listener's involvement in the recording but also their overall perception
of the stage." - Wikipedia

I need a good quality recording where this is evident.



** The song called " Little Wing " as performed by Jimi Hendrix, Mitch
Mitchell & Noel Redding.

Recorded February 24, 1969 at the Royal Albert Hall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hendrix_in_the_West

The CD has long been deleted but can be obtained by Bitorrent.


WARNING:

On a typical stereo system in an average room, it is nothing special at all.

With Quad ELS ( 57s or 63s) in a well damped ( ie acoustically dead)
room - YOU are there.




........ Phil

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:43:44 +0800, "TT"
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"Jack" wrote in message
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Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Regards
A

That's easy - Roger Waters - Flickering Flame. It's
recorded in Q Sound which is a 3D sound field from stereo.
We have on track 2 - Too Much Rope a stage coach travelling
across the whole sound stage L-R and then a little later a
F50 Ferrari goes the other way at full song. Oh and it's
not a bad album either.

Cheers TT


Joking? This is an "effect", and while it may be fun - even impressive
at times - there is absolutely nothing that makes it suitable for
demonstrating the sound field of a system. If anything it obscures it.

d


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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:43:44 +0800, "TT"
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"Jack" wrote in message
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Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Regards
A

That's easy - Roger Waters - Flickering Flame. It's
recorded in Q Sound which is a 3D sound field from
stereo.
We have on track 2 - Too Much Rope a stage coach
travelling
across the whole sound stage L-R and then a little later
a
F50 Ferrari goes the other way at full song. Oh and it's
not a bad album either.

Cheers TT


Joking?

Well yes and no. A stage coach making a sound is a "Sound
Stage" :-)

This is an "effect", and while it may be fun - even
impressive
at times - there is absolutely nothing that makes it
suitable for
demonstrating the sound field of a system. If anything it
obscures it.

Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.


d


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http://www.pearce.uk.com

Lastly the OP did ask for a "subjective opinion" in "What
was my favourite CD". Yes this demonstrates very well a
wide deep sound stage that generally gets other people quite
excited.

What I prefer myself is any live acoustic stuff e.g Eric
Clapton Unplugged or the Corrs Unplugged just name two off
the top of my head. Also any Diana Krall, Norah Jones etc.

Cheers TT

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:23 +0800, "TT"
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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 20:43:44 +0800, "TT"
wrote:


"Jack" wrote in message
...
Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Regards
A

That's easy - Roger Waters - Flickering Flame. It's
recorded in Q Sound which is a 3D sound field from
stereo.
We have on track 2 - Too Much Rope a stage coach
travelling
across the whole sound stage L-R and then a little later
a
F50 Ferrari goes the other way at full song. Oh and it's
not a bad album either.

Cheers TT


Joking?

Well yes and no. A stage coach making a sound is a "Sound
Stage" :-)

This is an "effect", and while it may be fun - even
impressive
at times - there is absolutely nothing that makes it
suitable for
demonstrating the sound field of a system. If anything it
obscures it.

Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.


d


--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Lastly the OP did ask for a "subjective opinion" in "What
was my favourite CD". Yes this demonstrates very well a
wide deep sound stage that generally gets other people quite
excited.

What I prefer myself is any live acoustic stuff e.g Eric
Clapton Unplugged or the Corrs Unplugged just name two off
the top of my head. Also any Diana Krall, Norah Jones etc.

Cheers TT


Live acoustic is always likely to be better, depending how it is
recorded, of course.For me assessing a sound stage means that there
must be a sound stage to asses. That needs a live recording, not
something created on the desk.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:23 +0800, "TT"
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Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.

Sorry to reply twice to the same posts, but make that 2D, not 3D.
There is no height to the images created by this method (how could
there be with stereo speakers?).

d

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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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What I prefer myself is any live acoustic stuff e.g Eric
Clapton Unplugged or the Corrs Unplugged just name two off
the top of my head. Also any Diana Krall, Norah Jones etc.

Cheers TT


Live acoustic is always likely to be better, depending how it is
recorded, of course.For me assessing a sound stage means that there
must be a sound stage to asses. That needs a live recording, not
something created on the desk.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Agreed. I find multitrack/layered rock/pop recordings are usually very
tedious to listen to as there isn't that "correct place" in 3d space for the
instruments/vocals. BTW 6ch done badly is even worse :-(

Cheers TT

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:23 +0800, "TT"
wrote:

Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.

Sorry to reply twice to the same posts,

No problemo :-)

but make that 2D, not 3D.
There is no height to the images created by this method (how could
there be with stereo speakers?).

Yes I agree in principal with what you are saying BUT (there is always a
but) the soundstage does have height factor of roughly centre to those
stereo speakers so therefore the sound does occupy 3D space all be it on the
narrow height side.

Further to this my main speakers are (a local custom built Oz brand)
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au/produ...s/apogee.phpso at 1.5m tall
and the drivers symetrical around the centre tweeter I do find arather good
height dimension as well. Obviously we are not going to bouncing sound
effects off thr oof and floor though ;-)

Cheers TT

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:44:31 +0800, "TT"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:23 +0800, "TT"
wrote:

Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.

Sorry to reply twice to the same posts,

No problemo :-)

but make that 2D, not 3D.
There is no height to the images created by this method (how could
there be with stereo speakers?).

Yes I agree in principal with what you are saying BUT (there is always a
but) the soundstage does have height factor of roughly centre to those
stereo speakers so therefore the sound does occupy 3D space all be it on the
narrow height side.

Further to this my main speakers are (a local custom built Oz brand)
http://www.equinoxaudio.com.au/produ...s/apogee.phpso at 1.5m tall
and the drivers symetrical around the centre tweeter I do find arather good
height dimension as well. Obviously we are not going to bouncing sound
effects off thr oof and floor though ;-)

Cheers TT


Sure it has height, but that height is all to do with a dispersed
speaker source, comb filtering off the floor etc. It has absolutely
nothing to do with a sound stage. So no, the sound stage isn't
actually 3D as it would be if you had top and bottom as well as left
and right speakers.

d

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Don Pearce wrote:

So no, the sound stage isn't
actually 3D as it would be if you had top and bottom as well as left
and right speakers.

Now that is a product differentiator! Something
for companies like Sony to follow up on.

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Jack wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:

So no, the sound stage isn't
actually 3D as it would be if you had top and bottom as well as left
and right speakers.

Now that is a product differentiator! Something for companies like Sony
to follow up on.


Easily achievable with Ambisonics but it never really took off - and I
don't think any of the commercially available recordings encoded height,
though it is possible.

Roy.

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Jack wrote:
Eeyore wrote:


Jack wrote:


Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.


Why ?

"Soundstage refers to the depth and richness of an audio recording
(usually referring to the playback process). According to audiophiles,
the quality of the playback is very much dependent on how one is able to
pick out different instruments, voices, vocal parts, etc. exactly where
they are located on an imaginary 2D or 3D field.

Which is more than you can normally do in a live acoustic - well with
orchestral music anyhow.

I would suggest something recorded as simply as possible. That would
include any BIS chamber music recording. I particularly favour the
"Durufle Complete Choral Music" by the St Jacob's Chamber Choir".

Trinity Sessions by the Cowboy Junkies isn't bad either (recorded around
a single Calrec Soundfield mic).

Regards,

Roy.

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Jack wrote:
Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD for demonstrating
your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or something similar.

Regards
A

Most pop and rock tends to go to mush IMO, but I was listening to this
last night:

http://main.losthighwayrecords.com/a...b&ob=rl&aid=67

Spellbinding.

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On 2006-09-28, Jack wrote:
Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD
for demonstrating your systems' sound stage.

I would imagine a recording of chamber music or
something similar.

Not similar. But a superb soundstage nevertheless. Britten's "A
Midsummer Night's Dream" conducted by the composer (Decca 425 663-2)

--
John Phillips

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Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 21:10:23 +0800, "TT"
wrote:

Seriously now it does show very well depth and width of
"sound stage" and preciely placing objects in 3D space.

Sorry to reply twice to the same posts, but make that 2D, not 3D.
There is no height to the images created by this method (how could
there be with stereo speakers?).


How do you hear it with two ears?


Scott

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In article , Jack wrote:
Hi

I am interested to hear which is your favourite CD for demonstrating
your systems' sound stage.

No single CD.

However I would suggest trying some of the 'BBC Music Magazine' cover CDs.
These are often recorded to give an excellent sense of the instruments in
the real acoustic of the venue/studio. They have the added advantage that
you can often get tickets to go to performances at those venues to form
your own impression of what performances sound like in them. The CDs
generally give the details of the time and location of the recording.

They are also inexpensive and come with a 'free magazine' attached. :-)

Slainte,

Jim

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