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....so here's summat to amuse you - a 'ukra team effort'!!

I've been posting crappy open mic recordings made with a little lapel mic
here for some time now - so, by way of reward for being so polite about
them, here's a couple of tracks recorded with Nick's Behringer 'measurement'
mic from a 'test CD' that I have been recording clips from and sending to
Don for analysis. (This has been extremely useful to me and has prompted a
driver change which has improved the speakers no end and, dare I say it? -
has produced my best ever sound...!!?? ;-)

Anyways, they are 'dual mono' and are recorded *open mic* (so allow for the
*room effect* - and MP3ing) on my SET/Horns as follows:

Chinese 300B SET amplifier
Pioneer DV-350 DVDP
Homebrew Lowther Fidelios with PM6C drivers


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/No%20Idea.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Enjoy! (At least there's a bit more bass on 'em now!! ;-)

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"DIana Seavill" wrote in message
o.uk...

"Keith G" wrote


Chinese 300B SET amplifier
Pioneer DV-350 DVDP
Homebrew Lowther Fidelios with PM6C drivers


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/No%20Idea.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Enjoy! (At least there's a bit more bass on 'em now!! ;-)



"I know this one" keeps downloading corrupt!



OK, you haven't missed anything - as usual on 'Test CDs' it didn't sound
very good anyway.

Try this, it's the Real Thing (12" 45 rpm vinyl - wot else?):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Dual mono, so it'll sound 'shut in' naturally.....

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"Keith G" wrote


Try this, it's the Real Thing (12" 45 rpm vinyl - wot else?):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Dual mono, so it'll sound 'shut in' naturally.....



OK, if/while you've got nothing better to do, try the 'flip side:

Open mic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...lip%20Side.mp3


(Check out the little cough at 02:12 for *authenticity*!! :-)


And direct TT to HDD transcription for comparison:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...e%20Direct.mp3


Ignore the creaking at the beginning - it's only me leaving the room in my
wicker bathchair.....

Put yer cans on, WICK 'EM UP and enjoy!!

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

...so here's summat to amuse you - a 'ukra team effort'!!

I've been posting crappy open mic recordings made with a little lapel mic
here for some time now - so, by way of reward for being so polite about
them, here's a couple of tracks recorded with Nick's Behringer
'measurement'
mic from a 'test CD' that I have been recording clips from and sending to
Don for analysis. (This has been extremely useful to me and has prompted a
driver change which has improved the speakers no end and, dare I say it? -
has produced my best ever sound...!!?? ;-)

Anyways, they are 'dual mono' and are recorded *open mic* (so allow for
the
*room effect* - and MP3ing) on my SET/Horns as follows:

Chinese 300B SET amplifier
Pioneer DV-350 DVDP
Homebrew Lowther Fidelios with PM6C drivers


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/No%20Idea.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Enjoy! (At least there's a bit more bass on 'em now!! ;-)



"I know this one" keeps downloading corrupt!

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Keith G wrote:
"DIana Seavill" wrote in message
o.uk...
"Keith G" wrote


Chinese 300B SET amplifier
Pioneer DV-350 DVDP
Homebrew Lowther Fidelios with PM6C drivers


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/No%20Idea.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Enjoy! (At least there's a bit more bass on 'em now!! ;-)


"I know this one" keeps downloading corrupt!



OK, you haven't missed anything - as usual on 'Test CDs' it didn't sound
very good anyway.

Try this, it's the Real Thing (12" 45 rpm vinyl - wot else?):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Dual mono, so it'll sound 'shut in' naturally.....






Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your
300B amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?

S.

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In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your
300B amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?

Stand by for ripped cones...;-)

--
*When it rains, why don't sheep shrink? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Serge Auckland" wrote
Try this, it's the Real Thing (12" 45 rpm vinyl - wot else?):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Dual mono, so it'll sound 'shut in' naturally.....






Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your 300B
amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?


I can't go down that road again, Serge - I've heard that track far too many
times lately!

I think the clipping is in the recording proces, I can certainly play that
plenty loud over the system without any distortion!! My problem is that
everything *still* has to be on the floor or it clips in Sound Forge!!

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Serge Auckland wrote:
Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your
300B amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?

Stand by for ripped cones...;-)

Hardly. The Lowther range are rated at 100W nominal.

They can produce almost 100dB at 1m/1kHz/1watt of, so very low
power indeed will drive them hard enough to fill a largish room with
very good sound.

I was at a Lowther get-together a couple of weeks ago. The listening
room was 12 x 8 metres.


Iain

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Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote
Try this, it's the Real Thing (12" 45 rpm vinyl - wot else?):

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...This%20One.mp3


Dual mono, so it'll sound 'shut in' naturally.....






Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your 300B
amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?


I can't go down that road again, Serge - I've heard that track far too many
times lately!

I think the clipping is in the recording proces, I can certainly play that
plenty loud over the system without any distortion!! My problem is that
everything *still* has to be on the floor or it clips in Sound Forge!!


Sounds like the analogue input of your sound card is too sensitive. WHat
input are you using, mic or line? If line, are you using an external mic
amplifier? Can the gain of that device be turned down? What happens if
you use the card's mic input and the mic plugged straight in?

There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the
bottom of their travel.

S.

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"Serge Auckland" wrote


Keith, this last one looks clipped in several places. I'd guess your
300B amp hasn't enough power even with Lowthers. How do they sound with
something a bit more powerful, even staying with valves?


I can't go down that road again, Serge - I've heard that track far too
many times lately!

I think the clipping is in the recording proces, I can certainly play
that plenty loud over the system without any distortion!! My problem is
that everything *still* has to be on the floor or it clips in Sound
Forge!!
Sounds like the analogue input of your sound card is too sensitive.


I don't have a sound card as such, I a, using the motherboard sound.


WHat
input are you using, mic or line?


Line via the Tape Out on a little Pioneer ss amp.



If line, are you using an external mic
amplifier? Can the gain of that device be turned down?


It is - down to probably 10% of the 'knob's travel'...!!


What happens if
you use the card's mic input and the mic plugged straight in?


Haven't done that, I could/will try it later..



There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the bottom
of their travel.


You would have thought so, but it's always been the case!! (On this computer
and the one before it!!) It is only curable by splicing a 'pot in a box'
into the loop, but I robbed that for the Alps pot and haven't got round to
replacing it yet!! :-)

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Keith G wrote:


Haven't done that, I could/will try it later..


Don't, the preamp provides power to the mike.


There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the bottom
of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv for
any normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed my
m-audio sound card, seems fine.

--
Nick

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"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:


Haven't done that, I could/will try it later..

Don't, the preamp provides power to the mike.


I know that - I presumed he meant the mic input (without boost) on the
computer...??




There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the bottom
of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv for any
normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed my m-audio
sound card, seems fine.


I used it like this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Preamp.jpg

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Keith G wrote:


There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the bottom
of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv for any
normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed my m-audio
sound card, seems fine.



I used it like this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Preamp.jpg






That shouldn't clip then. Maybe worth considering a better sound card. I
am happy for my uses with a M-Audio 9624 FWIW.

--
Nick

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On Sat, 07 Oct 2006 09:21:26 +0100, Nick Gorham
wrote:

Keith G wrote:


There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the bottom
of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv for any
normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed my m-audio
sound card, seems fine.



I used it like this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Preamp.jpg






That shouldn't clip then. Maybe worth considering a better sound card. I
am happy for my uses with a M-Audio 9624 FWIW.

I don't think Keith's clipping problems are with the recordings
through the mic. It is the direct connection stuff from the amp that
is too hot. Some attenuation with a pot is the only answer to that.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:


There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the
bottom of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv for
any normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed my
m-audio sound card, seems fine.



I used it like this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Preamp.jpg






That shouldn't clip then. Maybe worth considering a better sound card. I
am happy for my uses with a M-Audio 9624 FWIW.


It's not a problem - if the recording had been important (or a keeper) I'd
have turned the volume down and gone again. There's no easy way to scan a
vinyl track for peak levels!! There's no clipping on this one:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cantigas.mp3

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"Keith G" wrote


It's not a problem - if the recording had been important (or a keeper) I'd
have turned the volume down and gone again. There's no easy way to scan a
vinyl track for peak levels!! There's no clipping on this one:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Cantigas.mp3



Which I meant to say is a direct TT to HDD transcription (via an SS amp's
own phono) with *no* changes to the recording levels in the software from
the recent, previous recordings...

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
It's not a problem - if the recording had been important (or a keeper)
I'd have turned the volume down and gone again. There's no easy way to
scan a vinyl track for peak levels!! There's no clipping on this one:

Once you've established a peak level - perhaps with a test disc - mark it
and use that for everything. You're recording on digital and there's
simply no need to make sure *every* recording peaks to maximum. Unless you
work as a mastering engineer for pop CDs, obviously.

--
*What do little birdies see when they get knocked unconscious? *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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Nick Gorham wrote:
Keith G wrote:


There should be a way of recording without all the controls at the
bottom of their travel.

With the gain all the way down, it should be producing about 100mv
for any normal levels of sound. I use it at about 9 o-clock to feed
my m-audio sound card, seems fine.



I used it like this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Preamp.jpg






That shouldn't clip then. Maybe worth considering a better sound card. I
am happy for my uses with a M-Audio 9624 FWIW.


I've got one you can have Keith - it's a Creative Audigy Platinum. It's
got a front panel thing that links to the PCI soundcard, fits in/the
size of a CD bay, with mic level and line controls/sockets, and various
digital I/Os.


I don't know if it's any better than the one you're using, but let me
know if it's of any use. I think you'd put it to better use than me :-)

Rob

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"Rob" wrote


I've got one you can have Keith - it's a Creative Audigy Platinum. It's
got a front panel thing that links to the PCI soundcard, fits in/the size
of a CD bay, with mic level and line controls/sockets, and various digital
I/Os.


I don't know if it's any better than the one you're using, but let me know
if it's of any use. I think you'd put it to better use than me :-)



Rob, very kind of you but I'm not sure I actually would have the use for
it - I record to the HDD via an amplifier which works very well re.
monitoring/playback &c.

The recording levels are not a serious problem - I would cut an attenuator
into the equation if I really needed it! The clipping is more a result of
sloppy recording technique where the beginning looks OK, so I bugger off and
let it get on with it only to find it went mad some time later!! (And my not
being arsed to re-record it again!! ;-)

Big thanks anyway!! :-)

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Keith G wrote:
"Rob" wrote


I've got one you can have Keith - it's a Creative Audigy Platinum. It's
got a front panel thing that links to the PCI soundcard, fits in/the size
of a CD bay, with mic level and line controls/sockets, and various digital
I/Os.


I don't know if it's any better than the one you're using, but let me know
if it's of any use. I think you'd put it to better use than me :-)



Rob, very kind of you but I'm not sure I actually would have the use for
it - I record to the HDD via an amplifier which works very well re.
monitoring/playback &c.

I thought I'd picked up that your sound card may not be best suited to
recording. It's difficult for me to tell in my case - I always used the
Creative because it sounded a fair bit better (than onboard D-A) for
playback. So having committed to the Creative for playback, I then used
it for recording. I now use a Mac which has digital I/O, so I no longer
need a PC sound card.

The recording levels are not a serious problem - I would cut an attenuator
into the equation if I really needed it! The clipping is more a result of
sloppy recording technique where the beginning looks OK, so I bugger off and
let it get on with it only to find it went mad some time later!! (And my not
being arsed to re-record it again!! ;-)

I'm with you on all that. In fact the front panel is just a convenience
and I haven't bothered fitting it for a while. You can plug stuff in and
out without crawling around the back of the computer, plus the level
control gives a bit more, um, control ;-)

Big thanks anyway!! :-)

No worries! Thought I'd offer it before consigning to ebay.

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Rob wrote:

Big thanks anyway!! :-)

No worries! Thought I'd offer it before consigning to ebay.

You (hopefully, if I got it right) have email. :-)


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.

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"Rob" wrote

I thought I'd picked up that your sound card may not be best suited to
recording. It's difficult for me to tell in my case - I always used the
Creative because it sounded a fair bit better (than onboard D-A) for
playback. So having committed to the Creative for playback, I then used it
for recording. I now use a Mac which has digital I/O, so I no longer need
a PC sound card.


Funnily enough, I always think Sound Forge sounds better than WMP when
playing back the same trax!!


The recording levels are not a serious problem - I would cut an
attenuator into the equation if I really needed it! The clipping is more
a result of sloppy recording technique where the beginning looks OK, so I
bugger off and let it get on with it only to find it went mad some time
later!! (And my not being arsed to re-record it again!! ;-)

I'm with you on all that. In fact the front panel is just a convenience
and I haven't bothered fitting it for a while. You can plug stuff in and
out without crawling around the back of the computer, plus the level
control gives a bit more, um, control ;-)


Yes, makes sense, but all my 'audio' connections are all made to the
amplifier - only one connection is made to the computer from the amp's Tape
Out.


Big thanks anyway!! :-)

No worries! Thought I'd offer it before consigning to ebay.


Much appreciated! Good luck with it if Wally hasn't already grabbed it of
you!

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"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Rob" wrote

I thought I'd picked up that your sound card may not be best suited to
recording. It's difficult for me to tell in my case - I always used the
Creative because it sounded a fair bit better (than onboard D-A) for
playback. So having committed to the Creative for playback, I then used
it for recording. I now use a Mac which has digital I/O, so I no longer
need a PC sound card.


Funnily enough, I always think Sound Forge sounds better than WMP when
playing back the same trax!!


The recording levels are not a serious problem - I would cut an
attenuator into the equation if I really needed it! The clipping is more
a result of sloppy recording technique where the beginning looks OK, so
I bugger off and let it get on with it only to find it went mad some
time later!! (And my not being arsed to re-record it again!! ;-)

I'm with you on all that. In fact the front panel is just a convenience
and I haven't bothered fitting it for a while. You can plug stuff in and
out without crawling around the back of the computer, plus the level
control gives a bit more, um, control ;-)


Yes, makes sense, but all my 'audio' connections are all made to the
amplifier - only one connection is made to the computer from the amp's
Tape Out.


Big thanks anyway!! :-)

No worries! Thought I'd offer it before consigning to ebay.


Much appreciated! Good luck with it if Wally hasn't already grabbed it of
you!


Found this lying on the table:

f

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Keith G wrote:

Much appreciated! Good luck with it if Wally hasn't already grabbed
it of you!

Found this lying on the table:

f

Just shove it next to the other one - nobody'll notice. :-)


--
Wally
www.wally.myby.co.uk
If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.