(Hooked up the vinyl group to see if it was still alive and posted this to
it by mistake!!)


So, again....


OK, the task ahead is to turn this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%201.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%202.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%203.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Einaudi.wav

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Kuhlau.wav


....into summat worthy* by means of 'training by recording and playing
back'....!!

The question for the assembly here is 'Why stereo?' - the Kuhlau is mono and
I don't see it suffers for it?

Although, if the mic I've ordered is the biz (arrives tomorrow, hopefully) I
have the opportunity to 'twin' it fairly cheaply with a *nearly new*
secondhand one from an ad on the SOS page that Roy so kindly posted a link
thereunto....???

Apologies for quality - those are samples grabbed at random, previously
recorded on all sorts of ropey kit (including a Korg electronic piano for
the three 'Extracts', I believe) and even ropier methodology (lapel mic),
sometime in the past! :-)

(Swim would go crackers if she knew I had posted the clips - they are from
way back and nothing like her best!)

Anyways, I kinda see us doing the European circuit in a year or so's time,
with her thrashing the the joanna to death and me turning the pages, in me
satin waistcoat, patent leathers and dodgy syrup....

:-)


* Larf all yew like - the piano is not even Swim's first instrument, back in
the misty past she was on a level with Emma Johnson at one time, on the
clartus fartus...!! ;-)

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 14:54:54 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


(Hooked up the vinyl group to see if it was still alive and posted this to
it by mistake!!)


So, again....


OK, the task ahead is to turn this:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%201.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%202.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Extract%203.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Einaudi.wav

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Kuhlau.wav


...into summat worthy* by means of 'training by recording and playing
back'....!!

The question for the assembly here is 'Why stereo?' - the Kuhlau is mono and
I don't see it suffers for it?

Although, if the mic I've ordered is the biz (arrives tomorrow, hopefully) I
have the opportunity to 'twin' it fairly cheaply with a *nearly new*
secondhand one from an ad on the SOS page that Roy so kindly posted a link
thereunto....???

Apologies for quality - those are samples grabbed at random, previously
recorded on all sorts of ropey kit (including a Korg electronic piano for
the three 'Extracts', I believe) and even ropier methodology (lapel mic),
sometime in the past! :-)

(Swim would go crackers if she knew I had posted the clips - they are from
way back and nothing like her best!)

Anyways, I kinda see us doing the European circuit in a year or so's time,
with her thrashing the the joanna to death and me turning the pages, in me
satin waistcoat, patent leathers and dodgy syrup....

:-)


* Larf all yew like - the piano is not even Swim's first instrument, back in
the misty past she was on a level with Emma Johnson at one time, on the
clartus fartus...!! ;-)



No, she's good. The Korg stuff sounds like - well a Korg I suppose. I
added a touch of concert hall reverb to the first one and it perked up
no end. The Kuhlau is certainly on a much nicer sounding instrument,
and with a proper mic it will sound good.

Afraid it does miss out not being stereo, though - just the one
dimension is very strangled-sounding to me these days.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote


* Larf all yew like - the piano is not even Swim's first instrument, back
in
the misty past she was on a level with Emma Johnson at one time, on the
clartus fartus...!! ;-)



No, she's good. The Korg stuff sounds like - well a Korg I suppose. I
added a touch of concert hall reverb to the first one and it perked up
no end. The Kuhlau is certainly on a much nicer sounding instrument,
and with a proper mic it will sound good.


I'm sure she'd be pleased to here that - it's her current (keeper) piano!!

'Here that'...?

(How *does* that happen...??)

As to 'good' - no-one's making anything like that sort of claim, but it will
be interesting to see how it goes..!!! ;-)



Afraid it does miss out not being stereo, though - just the one
dimension is very strangled-sounding to me these days.


So how would you set up *two* mics to record the single intrument - on a
'clamp' just so far apart? And what about orientation, where do you point
them for a *stereo* effect? The mic site (presuming a single mic, I suppose)
says 12 - 18" over the strings...???

(I don't rule out the stereo pair and mixer - it's just that I wanted to
'trial it' with the minimum complication...!! :-)

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 19:12:18 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


* Larf all yew like - the piano is not even Swim's first instrument, back
in
the misty past she was on a level with Emma Johnson at one time, on the
clartus fartus...!! ;-)



No, she's good. The Korg stuff sounds like - well a Korg I suppose. I
added a touch of concert hall reverb to the first one and it perked up
no end. The Kuhlau is certainly on a much nicer sounding instrument,
and with a proper mic it will sound good.


I'm sure she'd be pleased to here that - it's her current (keeper) piano!!

'Here that'...?

(How *does* that happen...??)


the quickness of the hand...

As to 'good' - no-one's making anything like that sort of claim, but it will
be interesting to see how it goes..!!! ;-)



Afraid it does miss out not being stereo, though - just the one
dimension is very strangled-sounding to me these days.


So how would you set up *two* mics to record the single intrument - on a
'clamp' just so far apart? And what about orientation, where do you point
them for a *stereo* effect? The mic site (presuming a single mic, I suppose)
says 12 - 18" over the strings...???

(I don't rule out the stereo pair and mixer - it's just that I wanted to
'trial it' with the minimum complication...!! :-)



The normal way for close miking would be to position the right hand
mic over the treble strings and the left hand one over the bass
strings, keeping both as far from the keyboard as possible. A little
reverb would then be added later. In this circumstance, you would need
to use the low cut switches on the mics to compensate for the bass
boost you get when you use directional mics close up.

If you are recording in a good acoustic space, you could use a more
distant setup with the mics pointing 45 degrees each left and right,
sharing a stand about six feet from the piano, in a normal concert
listening position, ie side on, looking into the lid. That will result
in the sound of a piano in a room, but unless it is a good room,
probably not the way to go.

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote


Afraid it does miss out not being stereo, though - just the one
dimension is very strangled-sounding to me these days.


So how would you set up *two* mics to record the single intrument - on a
'clamp' just so far apart? And what about orientation, where do you point
them for a *stereo* effect? The mic site (presuming a single mic, I
suppose)
says 12 - 18" over the strings...???

(I don't rule out the stereo pair and mixer - it's just that I wanted to
'trial it' with the minimum complication...!! :-)



The normal way for close miking would be to position the right hand
mic over the treble strings and the left hand one over the bass
strings, keeping both as far from the keyboard as possible. A little
reverb would then be added later. In this circumstance, you would need
to use the low cut switches on the mics to compensate for the bass
boost you get when you use directional mics close up.


OK, I'm writing all this down....



If you are recording in a good acoustic space, you could use a more
distant setup with the mics pointing 45 degrees each left and right,
sharing a stand about six feet from the piano, in a normal concert
listening position, ie side on, looking into the lid. That will result
in the sound of a piano in a room, but unless it is a good room,
probably not the way to go.


OK. All very interesting - I'm looking forward to this! No doubt I'll post
the usual pix and clips once it all gets going!!

Take a squint at the specs. he

http://www.oktava.be/en/products_mk319.htm

Anything strike you as massively *untoward*....???

Talking about pianos I have a lovely Bechstein grand that I'm ruefully
thinking of selling. don't know if anyone's interested. It's from about
1912, excellent condition and is supposed to have belonged to Sir
Hamilton Harty. Andy

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
ups.com...
Talking about pianos I have a lovely Bechstein grand that I'm ruefully
thinking of selling. don't know if anyone's interested. It's from about
1912, excellent condition and is supposed to have belonged to Sir
Hamilton Harty. Andy




Worth a lot of money Andy (in almost any condition) see if you can spot the
word 'sold' he

http://www.piano-uk.com/bechsteingrandpianos.html

Get the idea? ;-)

Also here, for an idea of price:

http://www.markgoodwinpianos.co.uk/bechstein-piano/

(From that age it'll be a '100% non pc' version made from real hardwood with
ebony and ivory keys - even modern Steinways have *plastic* keys these
days!!)


Apropos of nothing, anybody just seen the Top 100 Greatest Albums on the
telly?

Radiohead....???

????

Worth a lot of money Andy (in almost any condition) see if you can spot the
word 'sold' he

thanks - that's encourageing! Looks like it's worth about £4,000

Apropos of nothing, anybody just seen the Top 100 Greatest Albums on the
telly?

My top 100 would be pretty weird - loads of Steely Dan, Miles Davis,
Ahmad Jamal, Brad Mehldau, Fania All-stars...........

But I think we could squeeze in Dee Dee Bridgewater, Diana Krall
(originals, not standards) and maybe even a little Claire Martin just
'cos I like her.

"Andy Evans" wrote in message
ps.com...

Worth a lot of money Andy (in almost any condition) see if you can spot
the
word 'sold' he

thanks - that's encourageing! Looks like it's worth about £4,000

Apropos of nothing, anybody just seen the Top 100 Greatest Albums on the
telly?

My top 100 would be pretty weird - loads of Steely Dan, Miles Davis,
Ahmad Jamal, Brad Mehldau, Fania All-stars...........



Not as weird as mine I bet, but I'm with you on Miles Davis and Ahamad
Jamal...!!! ;-)