On 25 Oct 2006 13:33:51 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:49:38 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:23:30 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:15:16 +0100, Eiron wrote:

wrote:

Have you ever heard a SOTA LP on SOTA playback gear?

Can you give any examples of SOTA LPs?

Unfortunately they are pretty much all SOTA. :-(

Why on earth are you chiming in on this subject. Didn't you make a big
enough fool of yourself last time you talked about this subject?


You're thinking of that Scott bloke


No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off. Are you back to make some more ridiculous
claims?


Scott

I know how LPs are mastered

BAHAHAHA HAHAHA yeah right.

- I've done it myself.

Oh, perhaps you could tell us what titles you mastered so we can
evaluate your work?


Summing bass and
rolling off HF are just two of the things that are often done to LPs


How often? Wasn't that long ago you were insisting it was done on
*every LP ever made.* What tune are you singing now on the subject?


in order to produce playable vinyl. Obviously when there is
insufficient energy in either of these two regions to warrant it, it
won't be done. Didn't you know that?

Didn't you when you were claiming that every LP had this done to them?
Funny you would try to be so smug about something you just recently
learned.



On the other hand, neither of these is ever required for a CD. They
will accept full dynamic range in stereo over their entire frequency
range. Didn't you know that either, Scott?


Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results. Bet you didn't know that.

Scott

Scott, you really are jolly petulant. Are you getting all the vitamins
and minerals you should? A poor diet can cause this, you know.

d

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On 25 Oct 2006 10:56:59 -0700, wrote:

But yes it can sound horrible. As can CD. Have you ever heard a SOTA LP
on SOTA playback gear?

Yup. Sounded pretty good in its day. Probably better than many early
digital systems. But it's pretty well sorted out now and we have
higher standards.

Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 13:33:51 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:49:38 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:23:30 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:15:16 +0100, Eiron wrote:

wrote:

Have you ever heard a SOTA LP on SOTA playback gear?

Can you give any examples of SOTA LPs?

Unfortunately they are pretty much all SOTA. :-(

Why on earth are you chiming in on this subject. Didn't you make a big
enough fool of yourself last time you talked about this subject?


You're thinking of that Scott bloke


No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off. Are you back to make some more ridiculous
claims?


Scott

I know how LPs are mastered

BAHAHAHA HAHAHA yeah right.

- I've done it myself.

Oh, perhaps you could tell us what titles you mastered so we can
evaluate your work?


Summing bass and
rolling off HF are just two of the things that are often done to LPs


How often? Wasn't that long ago you were insisting it was done on
*every LP ever made.* What tune are you singing now on the subject?


in order to produce playable vinyl. Obviously when there is
insufficient energy in either of these two regions to warrant it, it
won't be done. Didn't you know that?

Didn't you when you were claiming that every LP had this done to them?
Funny you would try to be so smug about something you just recently
learned.



On the other hand, neither of these is ever required for a CD. They
will accept full dynamic range in stereo over their entire frequency
range. Didn't you know that either, Scott?


Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results. Bet you didn't know that.

Scott

Scott, you really are jolly petulant.

Just telling it like it is.


Are you getting all the vitamins
and minerals you should?


I think so.


A poor diet can cause this, you know.

A poor diet can lead to telling it like it is? Hmmm, Interesting excuse
for being full of it. I give you points for creativity on this one.
Your "healthy diet" made you say stupid things. That's funny.


Scott

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No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off.

Not a foolish claim. Sunming the bass below 50-100 Hz or more is a pretty
good idea. Putting a HF rolloff helps save cutter heads from overheating
and makes the recording easier to track.

Are you back to make some more ridiculous claims?

Where is the first ridiculous claim?

wrote in message
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Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:49:38 -0700, wrote:

wrote in message

Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:23:30 -0700, wrote:

No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off. Are you back to make some more ridiculous
claims?


I know how LPs are mastered

BAHAHAHA HAHAHA yeah right.

- I've done it myself.

Oh, perhaps you could tell us what titles you mastered so we can
evaluate your work?

Summing bass and
rolling off HF are just two of the things that are often done to LPs


How often? Wasn't that long ago you were insisting it was done on
*every LP ever made.* What tune are you singing now on the subject?


Google searching can't confirm this claim.

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On 25 Oct 2006 13:33:51 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:49:38 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On 25 Oct 2006 12:23:30 -0700, wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 19:15:16 +0100, Eiron
wrote:

wrote:

Have you ever heard a SOTA LP on SOTA playback gear?

Can you give any examples of SOTA LPs?

Unfortunately they are pretty much all SOTA. :-(

Why on earth are you chiming in on this subject. Didn't you make a
big
enough fool of yourself last time you talked about this subject?


You're thinking of that Scott bloke


No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off. Are you back to make some more ridiculous
claims?


Scott

I know how LPs are mastered

BAHAHAHA HAHAHA yeah right.

- I've done it myself.

Oh, perhaps you could tell us what titles you mastered so we can
evaluate your work?


Summing bass and
rolling off HF are just two of the things that are often done to LPs


How often? Wasn't that long ago you were insisting it was done on
*every LP ever made.* What tune are you singing now on the subject?


in order to produce playable vinyl. Obviously when there is
insufficient energy in either of these two regions to warrant it, it
won't be done. Didn't you know that?

Didn't you when you were claiming that every LP had this done to them?
Funny you would try to be so smug about something you just recently
learned.



On the other hand, neither of these is ever required for a CD. They
will accept full dynamic range in stereo over their entire frequency
range. Didn't you know that either, Scott?


Of course I knew that CDs don't require summed bass, rolled off HF or
compression to be properly mastered. It has it's own unique
requirements for best results. Bet you didn't know that.

Scott

Scott, you really are jolly petulant. Are you getting all the vitamins
and minerals you should? A poor diet can cause this, you know.

Watch out Don, if Scott gets really mad at you, he'll sue you in California
Superior Court like he sued me.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3aa68feada0cd5

Arny Krueger wrote:
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No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off.

Not a foolish claim.

Fair enough, more accurately it was an ignorant claim. But one can say
it is foolish to wilfully make such an ignorant claim.


Sunming the bass below 50-100 Hz or more is a pretty
good idea. Putting a HF rolloff helps save cutter heads from overheating
and makes the recording easier to track.

I am glad you are not cutting records.



Are you back to make some more ridiculous claims?

Where is the first ridiculous claim?


In fornt of your face. How did you miss it? Well, I doubt it was Don's
"first" ridiculous claim if we want to split hairs.


Scott

wrote in message
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Arny Krueger wrote:
wrote in message
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No. you were the fool who insisted that all LPs were mastered with
summed bass and HF roll off.

Not a foolish claim.

Fair enough, more accurately it was an ignorant claim. But one can say
it is foolish to wilfully make such an ignorant claim.


Sunming the bass below 50-100 Hz or more is a pretty
good idea. Putting a HF rolloff helps save cutter heads from overheating
and makes the recording easier to track.

I am glad you are not cutting records.

Not as glad as I am!

Are you back to make some more ridiculous claims?

Where is the first ridiculous claim?

In fornt of your face. How did you miss it? Well, I doubt it was Don's
"first" ridiculous claim if we want to split hairs.

I checked google for Don saying the text you quoted, and no instances were
found.

On Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:40:35 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

Watch out Don, if Scott gets really mad at you, he'll sue you in California
Superior Court like he sued me.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...3aa68feada0cd5


I bet he looks great in his rubber gear!

d

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Mr.T wrote:
"Geoff" wrote in message
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Unless they otherwise unobtainium,

And there's the reason, a lot never made it to CD. Even some that
have made it to CD at some stage or other are difficult to obtain. I
expect that may gradually change as more music finds it's way onto
MP3 downloads. And whilst I would rather have a non compressed
format, a decent MP3 will be no worse than a vinyl transfer in most
cases.

the novelty of LP-CD transfers will wear off after approx 3 LPs.
Especially if you subsequently hear a real CD of the album.

I suspect your turntable/cartridge and record condition plays a large
part in your dissatisfaction though.

No.

geoff