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Keith G November 2nd 06 10:49 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a view
to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up WW2
aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they really
only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same page,
but the Fostex looks interesting...??

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??

TIA (if any....)



Nick Gorham November 2nd 06 11:06 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a view
to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up WW2
aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they really
only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same page,
but the Fostex looks interesting...??


Why not a laptop with a USB sound card?


And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??


Instead of?

--
Nick

Serge Auckland November 2nd 06 11:17 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a view
to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up WW2
aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they really
only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same page,
but the Fostex looks interesting...??

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??

TIA (if any....)


Keith,

I know these sorts of machines pretty well from my past life. The
Marantz is a fine machine, and a lot cheaper than the Nagra and Maycom
options. These last two are aimed at radio journalists for interview
recording. The Edirol is a multi-track machine aimed more at film and TV
work, and you can edit down the 4 track to stereo using Audobe
Audition or similar.

The Fostex is probably the best suited to your application, although a
fair bit more expensive than the Marantz. If it were my money and I
could afford it, I would buy the Fostex, followed by the Marantz.

S.

Keith G November 2nd 06 12:24 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a
view to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up
WW2 aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they
really only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same
page, but the Fostex looks interesting...??


Why not a laptop with a USB sound card?




Got both them here, but not in any way practical - I need to be able to 'get
right amongst it' - see:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2002.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG

- note the flapping trousers!! ;-)

To give you a clue, I got doinked on the head by the wing of this one, when
it was being manhandled off the field!!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Doink.JPG

:-)



And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??


Instead of?



The now ubiquitous and cheap SD Cards that I already have in a number of
gadgets here..??





Keith G November 2nd 06 12:27 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a
view to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up
WW2 aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they
really only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same
page, but the Fostex looks interesting...??

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??

TIA (if any....)


Keith,

I know these sorts of machines pretty well from my past life.




Aha!! ;-)

The
Marantz is a fine machine, and a lot cheaper than the Nagra and Maycom
options.



Cheaper yet on eBay atm:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

These last two are aimed at radio journalists for interview
recording. The Edirol is a multi-track machine aimed more at film and TV
work, and you can edit down the 4 track to stereo using Audobe Audition or
similar.

The Fostex is probably the best suited to your application, although a
fair bit more expensive than the Marantz. If it were my money and I could
afford it, I would buy the Fostex, followed by the Marantz.



Don't do that or you'll have Trevor on your case....

OK, the Marantz it will be then - when I can scrape the necessary together!
Many thanks, Serge!!

You immediately get where I'm coming from though - I can't contribute
*music* to these recording sessions we're just starting, but I can add in
'natural sounds' by way of backing tracks in the style of....

...never mind!

(Yes, I know it's been done a million times before!! ;-)

For a larf, I have used an *accidentally recorded* 'natural sound' (x 4) for
a spoof lead-in on this track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/TootLeadIn.mp3

:-))

Don't ask what it is - trust me, you don't want to know, it just *appeared*
when I wuz doing a mic check!!

(Needless to say I'll use a normal countdown for proper recordings - I'm in
a bit of a mischievous mood today!! ;-))

Incidentally, while you're here, I grabbed a pair of Oktava MK319 mics as
per the previous discussions and am very (*very* very) pleased with them,
but one little thing - they are wired 'out of phase' with each other and a
*factory stereo pair* pair of 'in phase' SE1As makes one of the Oktavas
definitely the 'odd man out'!

Easily put right with a phase reversal switch when necessary, of course, but
fit were you, would you be *bovered*...??

(I've had a quick look and they don't exactly have a 'red button' for a
quick disassembly!!)

I know I could send one back rather than risk buggering about with them, but
once kit's here I feel it is *family* and my responsibility - other than
DOAs, of course.....??

Stupid, I know....




Serge Auckland November 2nd 06 01:15 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
Keith G wrote:
"Serge Auckland" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a
view to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up
WW2 aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they
really only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same
page, but the Fostex looks interesting...??

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??

TIA (if any....)


Keith,

I know these sorts of machines pretty well from my past life.




Aha!! ;-)

The
Marantz is a fine machine, and a lot cheaper than the Nagra and Maycom
options.



Cheaper yet on eBay atm:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

These last two are aimed at radio journalists for interview
recording. The Edirol is a multi-track machine aimed more at film and TV
work, and you can edit down the 4 track to stereo using Audobe Audition or
similar.

The Fostex is probably the best suited to your application, although a
fair bit more expensive than the Marantz. If it were my money and I could
afford it, I would buy the Fostex, followed by the Marantz.



Don't do that or you'll have Trevor on your case....

OK, the Marantz it will be then - when I can scrape the necessary together!
Many thanks, Serge!!

You immediately get where I'm coming from though - I can't contribute
*music* to these recording sessions we're just starting, but I can add in
'natural sounds' by way of backing tracks in the style of....

..never mind!

(Yes, I know it's been done a million times before!! ;-)

For a larf, I have used an *accidentally recorded* 'natural sound' (x 4) for
a spoof lead-in on this track:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/TootLeadIn.mp3

:-))

Don't ask what it is - trust me, you don't want to know, it just *appeared*
when I wuz doing a mic check!!

(Needless to say I'll use a normal countdown for proper recordings - I'm in
a bit of a mischievous mood today!! ;-))

Incidentally, while you're here, I grabbed a pair of Oktava MK319 mics as
per the previous discussions and am very (*very* very) pleased with them,
but one little thing - they are wired 'out of phase' with each other and a
*factory stereo pair* pair of 'in phase' SE1As makes one of the Oktavas
definitely the 'odd man out'!

Easily put right with a phase reversal switch when necessary, of course, but
fit were you, would you be *bovered*...??

(I've had a quick look and they don't exactly have a 'red button' for a
quick disassembly!!)

I know I could send one back rather than risk buggering about with them, but
once kit's here I feel it is *family* and my responsibility - other than
DOAs, of course.....??

Stupid, I know....



IIWY, I would try and get inside the mic and change the phase, as it
will always be an oddball, or, send it back. If you can't get inside the
out-of phase mic and/or can't be bothered to send it back, then I would
make up a short back-to-back XLR cable wired out of phase, and mark the
mic and cable so you always use the short cable with that mic. This way
you also don't void the warranty if you have to send it back for any
other reason.

S.


Keith G November 2nd 06 02:38 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Serge Auckland" wrote


IIWY, I would try and get inside the mic and change the phase, as it will
always be an oddball, or, send it back. If you can't get inside the out-of
phase mic and/or can't be bothered to send it back, then I would make up a
short back-to-back XLR cable wired out of phase, and mark the mic and
cable so you always use the short cable with that mic. This way you also
don't void the warranty if you have to send it back for any other reason.




Good suggestion, but I think I *am* bovered also and will probably have a
bit of a fiddle with it myself! I don't much like sending stuff back (unless
it's dead or broken) if I can avoid it - it's very often more hassle than a
fix and I often find there's summat disappointing with a 'replacement'....??

(Talking in a private/domestic/own use 'one-offs' sense here - 'production
components' or sales stock would be a different thing entirely....)





Dave Plowman (News) November 2nd 06 03:26 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Incidentally, while you're here, I grabbed a pair of Oktava MK319 mics
as per the previous discussions and am very (*very* very) pleased with
them, but one little thing - they are wired 'out of phase' with each
other and a *factory stereo pair* pair of 'in phase' SE1As makes one of
the Oktavas definitely the 'odd man out'!


Easily put right with a phase reversal switch when necessary, of course,
but fit were you, would you be *bovered*...??


Must be really ****e construction if they actually have been made in this
way. Still, you get what you pay for.

--
*There are two sides to every divorce: Yours and **** head's*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Phil Allison November 3rd 06 06:44 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Keith G"


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG




** Looks a HELL of a lot like a Spitfire VB.





......... Phil






tony sayer November 3rd 06 07:15 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
In article , Phil Allison
writes

"Keith G"


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG




** Looks a HELL of a lot like a Spitfire VB.





........ Phil






Yep bl**dy things no end of 'em buzzing about this way near Duxford.

Very annoying that noise they make is too;).......
--
Tony Sayer


Phil Allison November 3rd 06 07:43 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"tony sayer"
Phil Allison
"Keith G"


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG



** Looks a HELL of a lot like a Spitfire VB.



Yep bl**dy things no end of 'em buzzing about this way near Duxford.



** Wot - are those pesky, damn Fw 190s back again ??




........ Phil





Phil Allison November 3rd 06 07:52 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Keith G"


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG



** Looks a HELL of a lot like a Spitfire VB.




** On closer inspection, it's more likely a Spitfire mk IX.





....... Phil




tony sayer November 3rd 06 08:36 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
In article , Phil Allison
writes

"tony sayer"
Phil Allison
"Keith G"


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG


** Looks a HELL of a lot like a Spitfire VB.



Yep bl**dy things no end of 'em buzzing about this way near Duxford.



** Wot - are those pesky, damn Fw 190s back again ??



See the odd dogfight from the garden of the Sir John Barleycorn pub and
still the local's complain!.

Bloody townies:(


....... Phil





--
Tony Sayer


Arny Krueger November 3rd 06 12:03 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
"Keith G" wrote in message


Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm


Take google to the archives of rec.audiio.pro .

I seem to recall that people say that it is pretty good. A bit pricey.

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year,
probably) with a view to grabbing 'naturally occuring
sounds' - up to very loud, close-up WW2 aircraft engines,
possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they really
only close-range voice recorders?


This class of machines are really pretty good digital recorders.

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options
on the same page, but the Fostex looks interesting...??


Why dismiss any of them? Why not consider the Sony, M-Audio and Samson
alternatives?

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular
reason...??


CF are cheap and effective and lots of people already have them.




Roy November 3rd 06 12:33 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
Keith G wrote:
"Nick Gorham" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
Anybody any experience of the Marantz PMD660...??

http://www.solidstatesound.co.uk/marantz_pmd660.htm

I'm toying with the idea of mooching about (next year, probably) with a
view to grabbing 'naturally occuring sounds' - up to very loud, close-up
WW2 aircraft engines, possibly. Are these gadgets up to it, or are they
really only close-range voice recorders?

I'm kinda dismissing the Edirol, Nagra and Maycom options on the same
page, but the Fostex looks interesting...??

Why not a laptop with a USB sound card?




Got both them here, but not in any way practical - I need to be able to 'get
right amongst it' - see:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2002.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG

- note the flapping trousers!! ;-)


Blimey Keith, no wonder you like horns, your hearing must be shot, I
SAID YOUR HEARING MUST BE SHOT.


To give you a clue, I got doinked on the head by the wing of this one, when
it was being manhandled off the field!!

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Doink.JPG

:-)

And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??


I HAVE (oops, sorry, still shouting), a Fostex Pocketstudio 5 which is a
neat little device, though I don't suppose you would need the built in
drum 'n' bass.

Roy.

Keith G November 3rd 06 02:32 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Roy" x@y wrote in message ...
Keith G wrote:



Got both them here, but not in any way practical - I need to be able to
'get right amongst it' - see:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2001.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2002.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Hurricane%2003.JPG

- note the flapping trousers!! ;-)


Blimey Keith, no wonder you like horns, your hearing must be shot, I SAID
YOUR HEARING MUST BE SHOT.



EH? WHAT.....???

HALF PAST TWO....!!!

(Gives me a bit of a bone hearing them airplane engines that close, I don't
mind telling you!! :-)


I HAVE (oops, sorry, still shouting), a Fostex Pocketstudio 5 which is a
neat little device, though I don't suppose you would need the built in
drum 'n' bass.


Do you mean for sale? If so gimme a shout direct - although, what I really
want is ideally summat with XLR sockets and phantom power.

In a desperate attempt to force myself to get out and about more, I want to
record natural sounds for combining with instrumental music as well as
(possibly) being able to travel to anyone who can play summat nice that I
can use in a mix.....

(No-one will be safe, but Katherine Jenkins is playing reet hard to get atm:

http://www.beautyinmusic.com/assets/...enkins_y_r.jpg

- I think she doubts the *integrity* of my intentions...??!! :-)


Anyway, to give you an idea, here are a few examples of 'natural sounds'
being superbly blended with music:

Traffic: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Good%202CU.mp3

Birdsong: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Superman.mp3

Wind and 'space': http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Superman.mp3

Fairground: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Brighton.mp3


All been done a million times before I know, but that's no reason not to
have a go!!

;-)

While I'm on, I'm gagging to get hold of an mp3 of a tune from way back
called (I think) 'African Waltz' or 'African Safari' - it might have been
used on the soundtrack of The Strange World Of Gurney Slade, but anybody
would know it if I said it was always running through my mind when I was
riding the rails in the London Underground when I wuz a kid!

That and 'Mambo Italiano' instrumental only....??

Would be etrnally grateful for either or both!! :-)

OK - found it! :-)

It *is* African Waltz, but the version I want is a simple (solo?)
instrumental, not this (excellent) Cannonball Adderley version (Sample 6)
he

http://www.emusic.com/album/10592/10592019.html

(Amazing what ya kind find on the Net these days, innit? :-)






Keith G November 3rd 06 02:36 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Keith G" wrote


Anyway, to give you an idea, here are a few examples of 'natural sounds'
being superbly blended with music:

Traffic: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Good%202CU.mp3

Birdsong: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Superman.mp3

Wind and 'space': http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Superman.mp3



******** - make that:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Swallow.mp3




Fairground: http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Brighton.mp3





Don Pearce November 3rd 06 02:51 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:36:21 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


******** - make that:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Swallow.mp3


Arrgh! Natural sound of the telly whistling there Who was it, by the
way?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G November 3rd 06 03:10 PM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 15:36:21 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


******** - make that:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Swallow.mp3


Arrgh! Natural sound of the telly whistling there Who was it, by the
way?




Jane Siberry.

Gone a bit weird and calls herself 'Issa' now, I believe...??

Click this with your sound on (and leave it on):

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...did=637 95948




Keith G November 8th 06 08:07 AM

Portable SS recorders...??
 

"Keith G" wrote


And why sodding CF cards - is there a particular reason...??


Instead of?



The now ubiquitous and cheap SD Cards that I already have in a number of
gadgets here..??




Found the answer - it's so IBM Microdrives can also be used in the same
slot....

???




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