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Keith G November 9th 06 02:36 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 

The chooner's been today and I wuz chatting with him (as you do)....

I asked what piano would he have if money was no object - the answer
'Fazioli' was back in a flash and we chatted on. (The most recent Yamahas
are good now and probably better than Kawai, Steinways can be very good,
same with Bosendorfer - which one you choose depends on your own
tastes..&c.&c.)

Mind you, he says - 'Fazioli (whom he has met) has never made any money on
them, they've always been subsidised by the 'office furniture'
manufacture...!!

(Top quality 'high end' anything is all very fine, but there's no substitute
for continually-moving production in my book - any 'high end manufacturer'
would do well to have a steady stream of cheaper stuff going out the door -
like T de P with his phono stages...)

Why mention this?

Oh, because....

;-)







Don Pearce November 9th 06 02:44 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:36:30 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


The chooner's been today and I wuz chatting with him (as you do)....

I asked what piano would he have if money was no object - the answer
'Fazioli' was back in a flash and we chatted on. (The most recent Yamahas
are good now and probably better than Kawai, Steinways can be very good,
same with Bosendorfer - which one you choose depends on your own
tastes..&c.&c.)

Mind you, he says - 'Fazioli (whom he has met) has never made any money on
them, they've always been subsidised by the 'office furniture'
manufacture...!!

(Top quality 'high end' anything is all very fine, but there's no substitute
for continually-moving production in my book - any 'high end manufacturer'
would do well to have a steady stream of cheaper stuff going out the door -
like T de P with his phono stages...)

Why mention this?

Oh, because....

;-)


Decent pianos used to be five quid in the Evening Standard classifieds
- collect it yourself.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G November 9th 06 03:20 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 9 Nov 2006 15:36:30 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


The chooner's been today and I wuz chatting with him (as you do)....

I asked what piano would he have if money was no object - the answer
'Fazioli' was back in a flash and we chatted on. (The most recent Yamahas
are good now and probably better than Kawai, Steinways can be very good,
same with Bosendorfer - which one you choose depends on your own
tastes..&c.&c.)

Mind you, he says - 'Fazioli (whom he has met) has never made any money on
them, they've always been subsidised by the 'office furniture'
manufacture...!!

(Top quality 'high end' anything is all very fine, but there's no
substitute
for continually-moving production in my book - any 'high end manufacturer'
would do well to have a steady stream of cheaper stuff going out the
door -
like T de P with his phono stages...)

Why mention this?

Oh, because....

;-)


Decent pianos used to be five quid in the Evening Standard classifieds
- collect it yourself.




I believe the cheapest I have seen old uprights go for is 'FREE to
collect'...!!

Anyway the cheeky choona said he didn't think my newly painted speakers were
up to Fazioli standards:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/pianoblack.JPG

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/pianoblack2.JPG


:-)

(Dragged 'em back up to the house while he was here....)







Dave Plowman (News) November 9th 06 10:34 PM

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In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Anyway the cheeky choona said he didn't think my newly painted speakers
were up to Fazioli standards:



(Dragged 'em back up to the house while he was here....)


And of course they were the finest speakers he'd *ever* heard. And as a
'musician' he'd know. Is he related to the milkman?

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

David Houpt November 10th 06 02:49 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 
Keith G wrote:

I believe the cheapest I have seen old uprights go for is 'FREE to
collect'...!!


Hi Keith

Sad don't you think? My father was a talented amateur pianist and owned
an old Chappell upright, not hugely different to this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chappell-Piano...QQcmdZViewItem

Not much money for a piece of history is it?

Regards

David

Keith G November 10th 06 04:03 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 

"David Houpt" wrote in message
o.uk...
Keith G wrote:

I believe the cheapest I have seen old uprights go for is 'FREE to
collect'...!!


Hi Keith

Sad don't you think? My father was a talented amateur pianist and owned an
old Chappell upright, not hugely different to this one:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chappell-Piano...QQcmdZViewItem

Not much money for a piece of history is it?




No it isn't, but the one in that auction does look a bit of a mutt -
straight strung and what looks like holes where the candle holder went? The
problem is in the cost of getting them shifted - time you've paid to collect
it and have it tuned (probably twice in fairly quick succession to get it
settled down) it might not be too cheap!

That said, it seems to getting some bids??





Dave Plowman (News) November 10th 06 06:41 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 
In article ,
David Houpt wrote:
Sad don't you think? My father was a talented amateur pianist and owned
an old Chappell upright, not hugely different to this one:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chappell-Piano...QQcmdZViewItem

Not much money for a piece of history is it?


My piano teacher many years ago who was at least 150 years old had a
Roinch (sp?) upright which he lavished care on. His tenement flat was cold
and uncared for but the piano gleamed. Even the brass frame was polished,
and the high strings looked like they were chrome plated. ;-) It was old
enough to have been originally fitted with candlesticks as you could see
where they'd been removed and the holes expertly filled in. Ivory faced
keys too - although that was probably common to most of that age.

I often wondered what happened to it. It had a very rich bottom end for an
upright - seemed to get louder the lower you went. Quite unlike my
parent's post war British one.

--
*Go the extra mile. It makes your boss look like an incompetent slacker *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G November 10th 06 10:04 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
David Houpt wrote:
Sad don't you think? My father was a talented amateur pianist and owned
an old Chappell upright, not hugely different to this one:


http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Chappell-Piano...QQcmdZViewItem

Not much money for a piece of history is it?


My piano teacher many years ago who was at least 150 years old had a
Roinch (sp?) upright which he lavished care on. His tenement flat was cold
and uncared for but the piano gleamed. Even the brass frame was polished,
and the high strings looked like they were chrome plated. ;-) It was old
enough to have been originally fitted with candlesticks as you could see
where they'd been removed and the holes expertly filled in. Ivory faced
keys too - although that was probably common to most of that age.




http://www.ronischpiano.com/index.html





Dave Plowman (News) November 11th 06 05:03 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
My piano teacher many years ago who was at least 150 years old had a
Roinch (sp?) upright which he lavished care on. His tenement flat was
cold and uncared for but the piano gleamed. Even the brass frame was
polished, and the high strings looked like they were chrome plated.
;-) It was old enough to have been originally fitted with
candlesticks as you could see where they'd been removed and the holes
expertly filled in. Ivory faced keys too - although that was probably
common to most of that age.


http://www.ronischpiano.com/index.html


Thanks for that - very interesting.

--
*Can fat people go skinny-dipping?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G November 11th 06 10:39 PM

A warning to aspiring 'high end' builders....
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
My piano teacher many years ago who was at least 150 years old had a
Roinch (sp?) upright which he lavished care on. His tenement flat was
cold and uncared for but the piano gleamed. Even the brass frame was
polished, and the high strings looked like they were chrome plated.
;-) It was old enough to have been originally fitted with
candlesticks as you could see where they'd been removed and the holes
expertly filled in. Ivory faced keys too - although that was probably
common to most of that age.


http://www.ronischpiano.com/index.html


Thanks for that - very interesting.




It was my pleasure to Google them - they are obviously very fine pianos and
appear to be still in production!

http://www.ronisch.de/




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