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Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me talking - are
impressive. My neighbour is having some scaffolding put up, and while
I was chatting a pole clanged against something. On playback I was
convinced while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so I'll report
back what I find.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Well, they've arrived


:-)


and my initial tests - just me talking - are
impressive.


Watch out, you'll have Plowie on yer neck....


My neighbour is having some scaffolding put up, and while
I was chatting a pole clanged against something. On playback I was
convinced while I was listening that it happened again.


:-)

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90 deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so I'll report
back what I find.


Sound clips and pix *will* be required and the thing that jabbed me (after
Arny's tip-off) was the 'ultra-low noise' claim - any chance of a comparison
with them and your Sennheisers?

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises at
both ends of the spectrum.

Rode NT1-A mic
 

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:09 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Well, they've arrived


:-)


and my initial tests - just me talking - are
impressive.


Watch out, you'll have Plowie on yer neck....


My neighbour is having some scaffolding put up, and while
I was chatting a pole clanged against something. On playback I was
convinced while I was listening that it happened again.


:-)

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90 deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


Quite so - way outside the stereo field. But that is just mind over
matter; listening again I could hear it was really coming from the
expected spot.


I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so I'll report
back what I find.


Sound clips and pix *will* be required and the thing that jabbed me (after
Arny's tip-off) was the 'ultra-low noise' claim - any chance of a comparison
with them and your Sennheisers?



Pic here - set up for ORTF, which is what I propose for this weekend.
I don't think this one will be suitable for noise comparisons, but
they will come.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/nt1a_ortf.jpg

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:13:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises at
both ends of the spectrum.


I've already noticed the bottom end lift. The weekend job is a string
quartet in a church - instruments in an arc, and the mic about six to
eight feet from all of them.

What do you think about hole-in-the-middle? Is it too ambitious to use
the full 110 degrees with these? I feel unsure and I may shut them
down to about 90. The only thing in favour here is that no instrument
is actually going to be centre-stage.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:09 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the
angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90
deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will
post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


Quite so - way outside the stereo field. But that is just mind over
matter; listening again I could hear it was really coming from the
expected spot.



Sure, same here but I think I have blown that recording anyway - if it crops
up again I will post it, even if well out of context.


Pic here - set up for ORTF, which is what I propose for this weekend.
I don't think this one will be suitable for noise comparisons, but
they will come.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/nt1a_ortf.jpg


Lovely, but isn't that a bit scary if you are worried about a possible hole
in the middle and that's going to be a *real, live session*...?? Or will you
have had the opportunity to check that setup by then?

Also, the shockmounts don't seem overly large - have you done any 'tapping
about' to check them for effectiveness?

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:24:07 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:09 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the
angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90
deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will
post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


Quite so - way outside the stereo field. But that is just mind over
matter; listening again I could hear it was really coming from the
expected spot.



Sure, same here but I think I have blown that recording anyway - if it crops
up again I will post it, even if well out of context.


Pic here - set up for ORTF, which is what I propose for this weekend.
I don't think this one will be suitable for noise comparisons, but
they will come.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/nt1a_ortf.jpg


Lovely, but isn't that a bit scary if you are worried about a possible hole
in the middle and that's going to be a *real, live session*...?? Or will you
have had the opportunity to check that setup by then?

Also, the shockmounts don't seem overly large - have you done any 'tapping
about' to check them for effectiveness?




I'm going the coward's route and setting them at 90 degrees. I am
certain of a good recording that way. The shock mounts are pretty
standard things - I'm sure they'll be ok . Not much time for playing
over the next couple of days. Spending the day with Ofcom tomorrow (I
was a serial killer in a past life, apparently).

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:24:07 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Lovely, but isn't that a bit scary if you are worried about a possible
hole
in the middle and that's going to be a *real, live session*...?? Or will
you
have had the opportunity to check that setup by then?

Also, the shockmounts don't seem overly large - have you done any 'tapping
about' to check them for effectiveness?




I'm going the coward's route and setting them at 90 degrees. I am
certain of a good recording that way. The shock mounts are pretty
standard things - I'm sure they'll be ok .



OK.


Not much time for playing
over the next couple of days. Spending the day with Ofcom tomorrow (I
was a serial killer in a past life, apparently).


:-)


Apropos of nothing here. particularly - this just in:

---------------------------------------------------
Hello Keith,

I have just won an auction on ebay france for a couple of EX-3s (blowing my
budget by several hundred Euros) and saw your infiedlio page...any chance of
getting hold of some plans? If it's all 18mm then that will simplify things
a lot from my end. I am hoping to get a local carpenter to do the woodwork
(I am just awful at it unless it's really easy and I live in a little flat).

cheers,

Peter Spencer
(in France)
--------------------------------------------------


I get no end of this sort of thing - really need to get my *enthusiasm*
under control, don't I....??? :-)

(Posted here because the group's owner will get the arse again and won't be
able to resist another little *pronunciamento* to his followers....!! ;-)

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In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:09 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
Well, they've arrived


:-)


and my initial tests - just me talking - are
impressive.


Watch out, you'll have Plowie on yer neck....


My neighbour is having some scaffolding put up, and while
I was chatting a pole clanged against something. On playback I was
convinced while I was listening that it happened again.


:-)

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90 deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


Quite so - way outside the stereo field. But that is just mind over
matter; listening again I could hear it was really coming from the
expected spot.


I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so I'll report
back what I find.


Sound clips and pix *will* be required and the thing that jabbed me (after
Arny's tip-off) was the 'ultra-low noise' claim - any chance of a comparison
with them and your Sennheisers?



Pic here - set up for ORTF,

ORTF???.. Wasn't that some Belgian broadcaster?..

which is what I propose for this weekend.
I don't think this one will be suitable for noise comparisons, but
they will come.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/nt1a_ortf.jpg

d


--
Tony Sayer

Rode NT1-A mic
 

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 16:24:07 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 14:04:09 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:

Ho! Have I not had that! One of the very first recordings of Swim on the
joanna has the sound of a cup being 'carefully' put down in the kitchen
(me). The queer thing is that when it comes out on my computer speakers it
still sounds like it's coming from the kitchen!! I worked it out - the
angle
of the piano recording setup to the kitchen is pretty much the same as the
comuter speakers to the kitchen, only slewed through through about 90
deg.,
IYSWIM!! So the 'relationship' is maintained! (If I can find it, I will
post
it - it should soumd like it's off to the right and *behind* you!


Quite so - way outside the stereo field. But that is just mind over
matter; listening again I could hear it was really coming from the
expected spot.



Sure, same here but I think I have blown that recording anyway - if it crops
up again I will post it, even if well out of context.


Pic here - set up for ORTF, which is what I propose for this weekend.
I don't think this one will be suitable for noise comparisons, but
they will come.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/nt1a_ortf.jpg


Lovely, but isn't that a bit scary if you are worried about a possible hole
in the middle and that's going to be a *real, live session*...?? Or will you
have had the opportunity to check that setup by then?

Also, the shockmounts don't seem overly large - have you done any 'tapping
about' to check them for effectiveness?




I'm going the coward's route and setting them at 90 degrees. I am
certain of a good recording that way. The shock mounts are pretty
standard things - I'm sure they'll be ok . Not much time for playing
over the next couple of days. Spending the day with Ofcom

What have U dun to deserve that;!....

tomorrow (I
was a serial killer in a past life, apparently).

d


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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:13:41 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Spending the day with Ofcom

What have U dun to deserve that;!....

It's the Technology Research and Development Symposium - but at least
it is at the Plaisterer's Hall in the City - so a brilliant venue.
Those livery companies knew how to build - particularly those chaps.

d

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:12:44 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Pic here - set up for ORTF,

ORTF???.. Wasn't that some Belgian broadcaster?..

That or French. They designed a technique that gave natural sounding
imaging by putting a pair of cardioids head-width apart, and facing
out a fair bit. (As if you didn't know)

d

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In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:12:44 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Pic here - set up for ORTF,

ORTF???.. Wasn't that some Belgian broadcaster?..

That or French. They designed a technique that gave natural sounding
imaging by putting a pair of cardioids head-width apart, and facing
out a fair bit. (As if you didn't know)


Now you've reminded me yes I do remember;)

Pain in the a**e getting on the wrong side of 50 odd isn't it;!....
d


--
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In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:13:41 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Spending the day with Ofcom

What have U dun to deserve that;!....

It's the Technology Research and Development Symposium - but at least
it is at the Plaisterer's Hall in the City - so a brilliant venue.
Those livery companies knew how to build - particularly those chaps.

d

Yes it is the Plasters trade association save anyone looking it up..

Suppose it should be done well then..

Dunno what they didn't call Ofcom Consult-a-COM be more in line with
what their doing;)
--
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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:54:19 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:13:41 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Spending the day with Ofcom

What have U dun to deserve that;!....

It's the Technology Research and Development Symposium - but at least
it is at the Plaisterer's Hall in the City - so a brilliant venue.
Those livery companies knew how to build - particularly those chaps.

d

Yes it is the Plasters trade association save anyone looking it up..

Suppose it should be done well then..

Dunno what they didn't call Ofcom Consult-a-COM be more in line with
what their doing;)

They have one technical man left - Peter Spital, really bright bloke
but not far off retirement. As for the rest, they are all marketing
people. If they want any technical work done now it all goes out to
companies like Aegis.

d

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On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 22:51:42 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 19:12:44 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

Pic here - set up for ORTF,

ORTF???.. Wasn't that some Belgian broadcaster?..

That or French. They designed a technique that gave natural sounding
imaging by putting a pair of cardioids head-width apart, and facing
out a fair bit. (As if you didn't know)


Now you've reminded me yes I do remember;)

Pain in the a**e getting on the wrong side of 50 odd isn't it;!....

But SO much preferable to the alternative ;-)

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:13:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises
at
both ends of the spectrum.


I've already noticed the bottom end lift. The weekend job is a string
quartet in a church - instruments in an arc, and the mic about six to
eight feet from all of them.

What do you think about hole-in-the-middle? Is it too ambitious to use
the full 110 degrees with these? I feel unsure and I may shut them
down to about 90. The only thing in favour here is that no instrument
is actually going to be centre-stage.

That depends on a lot of things that I can't predict, like room acoustics.
I usually use 90.

If you want to adjust center imaging, you can always change that by
rematrixing the mics during mixdown.

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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:38:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
arnyk_at_comcast_dot_net wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:13:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises
at
both ends of the spectrum.


I've already noticed the bottom end lift. The weekend job is a string
quartet in a church - instruments in an arc, and the mic about six to
eight feet from all of them.

What do you think about hole-in-the-middle? Is it too ambitious to use
the full 110 degrees with these? I feel unsure and I may shut them
down to about 90. The only thing in favour here is that no instrument
is actually going to be centre-stage.

That depends on a lot of things that I can't predict, like room acoustics.
I usually use 90.

If you want to adjust center imaging, you can always change that by
rematrixing the mics during mixdown.


True enough. I've pretty much finalized on 90 deg, maybe even a little
less because I don't think I will have anything like that much spread
of instruments. The acoustics of the space are pretty good - I've used
it before - but I don't want the sound too wet. The musicians are all
very good and they frankly don't need it.

d

--
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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:38:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
arnyk_at_comcast_dot_net wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:13:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises
at
both ends of the spectrum.


I've already noticed the bottom end lift. The weekend job is a string
quartet in a church - instruments in an arc, and the mic about six to
eight feet from all of them.

What do you think about hole-in-the-middle? Is it too ambitious to use
the full 110 degrees with these? I feel unsure and I may shut them
down to about 90. The only thing in favour here is that no instrument
is actually going to be centre-stage.

That depends on a lot of things that I can't predict, like room acoustics.
I usually use 90.

If you want to adjust center imaging, you can always change that by
rematrixing the mics during mixdown.


True enough. I've pretty much finalized on 90 deg, maybe even a little
less because I don't think I will have anything like that much spread
of instruments. The acoustics of the space are pretty good - I've used
it before - but I don't want the sound too wet. The musicians are all
very good and they frankly don't need it.

d


Any chance of a clip of your work?..
--
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On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 10:38:24 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 04:38:00 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
arnyk_at_comcast_dot_net wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 09:13:09 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

Well, they've arrived and my initial tests - just me
talking - are impressive. My neighbour is having some
scaffolding put up, and while I was chatting a pole
clanged against something. On playback I was convinced
while I was listening that it happened again.

I am probably recording some music over the weekend, so
I'll report back what I find.

IME, they are most natural and transparent when some distance (3 feet or
more) from the acoustic source. If you use them close up, response rises
at
both ends of the spectrum.


I've already noticed the bottom end lift. The weekend job is a string
quartet in a church - instruments in an arc, and the mic about six to
eight feet from all of them.

What do you think about hole-in-the-middle? Is it too ambitious to use
the full 110 degrees with these? I feel unsure and I may shut them
down to about 90. The only thing in favour here is that no instrument
is actually going to be centre-stage.

That depends on a lot of things that I can't predict, like room acoustics.
I usually use 90.

If you want to adjust center imaging, you can always change that by
rematrixing the mics during mixdown.


True enough. I've pretty much finalized on 90 deg, maybe even a little
less because I don't think I will have anything like that much spread
of instruments. The acoustics of the space are pretty good - I've used
it before - but I don't want the sound too wet. The musicians are all
very good and they frankly don't need it.

d


Any chance of a clip of your work?..

Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something suitable
right now.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in
the cracks.

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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the
Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost
in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.


Very nice (lovely playing). As I said offlist, I think most/many people
would be less aware of the reverb if the voice was not at the beginning of
the recording and I do think that's a tough venue to record that sort of
music. (Amazing though, how *fresh* this recorded *real sound* is, when
compared with commercial stuff, ain't it?)

I know (as you know) Sqiddly Dick about this lark, but what about 'reflexion
shields' in this sort of situation:

http://www.seelectronics.com/rf.html


Better yet (again, I know absolutely *SD* about it..???) what about
*ribbons* and 'reflexion filters' in this sort of situation?

:-))

Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Unless I'm missing summat (or several summats)...??

???

OK, I'll get me coat then..... :-)

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:38:06 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the
Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost
in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.


Very nice (lovely playing). As I said offlist, I think most/many people
would be less aware of the reverb if the voice was not at the beginning of
the recording and I do think that's a tough venue to record that sort of
music. (Amazing though, how *fresh* this recorded *real sound* is, when
compared with commercial stuff, ain't it?)


Well, this was more about the mic than the recording, and I thought
I'd present it "warts and all".

I know (as you know) Sqiddly Dick about this lark, but what about 'reflexion
shields' in this sort of situation:

http://www.seelectronics.com/rf.html

They might help a bit, but they're really for taking the fine edges
off rather than taming a really lively space like this one. The point
of the space is that it was where they were performing later, and I
came in for the rehearsal.


Better yet (again, I know absolutely *SD* about it..???) what about
*ribbons* and 'reflexion filters' in this sort of situation?

:-))

Ribbons have their uses - but this ain't one of 'em. They have a
full-size pickup facing backwards, and they would have been
emphasizing reverb from way back down the nave - I promise it would
have sounded much echo-ier.

Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Unless I'm missing summat (or several summats)...??

In a highly reverberant space like this, recording in stereo gives the
ear a chance to put the reverb in its proper perspective. Doing this
in mono would have left it muddled. If you want a flavour of how this
works, try and follow a conversation in a noisy room with a finger in
one ear - really hard.

???

OK, I'll get me coat then..... :-)



Check Please! (Goodness Gracious Me's rip-off version).

d

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http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the
Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost
in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


IMO, with listening through that lively acoustic I thought the quality of
the mics really shone through. If you do another in a bit drier acoustic
(or closer ) I'd love to hear a chunk. At present they appears to be good
value.. but this opinion based on one chunk .. Grand Funk Railroad next...
perhaps? :-)

Mike

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 14:38:06 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the
Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost
in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.


Very nice (lovely playing). As I said offlist, I think most/many people
would be less aware of the reverb if the voice was not at the beginning of
the recording and I do think that's a tough venue to record that sort of
music. (Amazing though, how *fresh* this recorded *real sound* is, when
compared with commercial stuff, ain't it?)


Well, this was more about the mic than the recording, and I thought
I'd present it "warts and all".


Sure, understood entirely...



I know (as you know) Sqiddly Dick about this lark, but what about
'reflexion
shields' in this sort of situation:

http://www.seelectronics.com/rf.html

They might help a bit, but they're really for taking the fine edges
off rather than taming a really lively space like this one.



OK. if I go ahead with the ribbon mic I mentioned, I'll probably knock
summat up (hardboard and 'lambswool' springs immediately to mind) and I'll
do some 'with/without' comparisons....



The point
of the space is that it was where they were performing later, and I
came in for the rehearsal.


Yep. Not a lot you can do about that!




Better yet (again, I know absolutely *SD* about it..???) what about
*ribbons* and 'reflexion filters' in this sort of situation?

:-))

Ribbons have their uses - but this ain't one of 'em. They have a
full-size pickup facing backwards, and they would have been
emphasizing reverb from way back down the nave - I promise it would
have sounded much echo-ier.



OK. But I was wondering if a 'reflexion filter' would kill the rear field
sufficiently...?? (An experiment waiting to be tried, for me....??)



Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Unless I'm missing summat (or several summats)...??

In a highly reverberant space like this, recording in stereo gives the
ear a chance to put the reverb in its proper perspective. Doing this
in mono would have left it muddled. If you want a flavour of how this
works, try and follow a conversation in a noisy room with a finger in
one ear - really hard.


Ok, I'm not sure I would go along with that - mono replay seems (to me) to
need both ears to 'centre' it and for it to sound natural...?? It's just I
do query stereo when it appears to create 20' wide pianos..?? (Like I'm
doing atm...??? ;-)

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 16:09:17 -0000, "Mike Gilmour"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the
Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost
in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


IMO, with listening through that lively acoustic I thought the quality of
the mics really shone through. If you do another in a bit drier acoustic
(or closer ) I'd love to hear a chunk. At present they appears to be good
value.. but this opinion based on one chunk .. Grand Funk Railroad next...
perhaps? :-)

Mike


Yup, when something comes up, I'll do that. Looks like money well
spent so far.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Rode NT1-A mic
 

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

d

Yes..Seems a tad on the bright side to me, but fine otherwise:)
--
Tony Sayer

Rode NT1-A mic
 

In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Strangely, it's easier to get an acceptable result with a 'one mic'
balance. The ears are more tolerant of any imbalance etc between the
instruments. You can prove this to yourself to some extent by switching to
mono.

--
*Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 08:54:20 +0000, tony sayer
wrote:

In article , Don Pearce
writes
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA) over the Thanksgiving
holiday, and posting from there for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in
the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal more church
audible than there ought to be. Next time I will get in closer, or
perhaps get them to try a calmer venue - this place is more suited to
either the right kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

d

Yes..Seems a tad on the bright side to me, but fine otherwise:)

You know what? It sounded just like that in the hall - they were
playing really brightly. The idea was that it would soften back quite
a lot when the audience was there. All to do with it being a dank,
miserable rainy evening, you see...

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Rode NT1-A mic
 

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Yes..Seems a tad on the bright side to me, but fine otherwise:)

You know what? It sounded just like that in the hall - they were
playing really brightly. The idea was that it would soften back quite
a lot when the audience was there. All to do with it being a dank,
miserable rainy evening, you see...

A *proper* venue would have seats which provided the same absorption when
'up' as when occupied. ;-)

--
*Marriage changes passion - suddenly you're in bed with a relative*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Rode NT1-A mic
 

In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Strangely, it's easier to get an acceptable result with a 'one mic'
balance. The ears are more tolerant of any imbalance etc between the
instruments. You can prove this to yourself to some extent by switching to
mono.


Course Keith listens with one ear;!....
--
Tony Sayer

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 10:08:56 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Yes..Seems a tad on the bright side to me, but fine otherwise:)

You know what? It sounded just like that in the hall - they were
playing really brightly. The idea was that it would soften back quite
a lot when the audience was there. All to do with it being a dank,
miserable rainy evening, you see...

A *proper* venue would have seats which provided the same absorption when
'up' as when occupied. ;-)

As opposed to wooden pews, you mean? Quite so ;-)

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Strangely, it's easier to get an acceptable result with a 'one mic'
balance. The ears are more tolerant of any imbalance etc between the
instruments. You can prove this to yourself to some extent by switching to
mono.

--
*Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.




As in 'Shades of O Brother' here?

http://www.crownaudio.com/mic_web/onemic2.htm

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 11:37:52 -0000, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Also, while my knob is out for an easy target, why does this type of
recording have to be *stereo*...??

Strangely, it's easier to get an acceptable result with a 'one mic'
balance. The ears are more tolerant of any imbalance etc between the
instruments. You can prove this to yourself to some extent by switching to
mono.

--
*Reality is a crutch for people who can't handle drugs.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.




As in 'Shades of O Brother' here?

http://www.crownaudio.com/mic_web/onemic2.htm





Of course that "one mic" can be mono or stereo. What is meant here by
one mic is that there isn't one per artist. What I did on Saturday was
one mic, in these terms.

d

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA)
over the Thanksgiving holiday, and posting from there
for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal
more church audible than there ought to be. Next time I
will get in closer, or perhaps get them to try a calmer
venue - this place is more suited to either the right
kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

Agreed.

First thing I noticed was that there was relatively high hiss. Any broken
steam pipes in that room? ;-)

Seems like a very sophisticated MP3 coder.

Musically - I would be very happy if my players were that good (or that
numerous!).

Room sonics seem to be very cold.

My first shot at remastering quickly moved to a uniform slope (logarithmic)
filter that was +10 dB at 20 Hz, and -20 at 20 Khz. That brought out too
much room noise, so I put in a break down to -30 dB starting at 200 Hz.

Bright room eh? ;-)

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:59:51 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 08:34:15 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 07:43:28 -0500, "Arny Krueger"
wrote:

"Don Pearce" wrote in message


Sure, I'll post a chunk tomorrow.


Did I miss this?


No, not posted yet - a bit too busy to dissect something
suitable right now.

OK. I was visiting my son and his family in York (PA)
over the Thanksgiving holiday, and posting from there
for 4 days. Didn't want this to get lost in the cracks.


OK - I have posted a minute or so he

http://81.174.169.10/odds/allegro.mp3

The group are happy, but I think there is a great deal
more church audible than there ought to be. Next time I
will get in closer, or perhaps get them to try a calmer
venue - this place is more suited to either the right
kind of music (if you know what I mean) or a larger
ensemble that can better match the reverb.

Still, as a first outing for those mics, it will do.

Agreed.

First thing I noticed was that there was relatively high hiss. Any broken
steam pipes in that room? ;-)


Didn't notice, but that is definitely acoustic in origin - no way the
electronics put that in there.

Seems like a very sophisticated MP3 coder.


Standard one in Audition - MP3Pro at 224k.

Musically - I would be very happy if my players were that good (or that
numerous!).

They are a bit of a treat, aren't they? That's what comes of living in
this part of London, I'm happy to say.

Room sonics seem to be very cold.

Yup - definitely.

My first shot at remastering quickly moved to a uniform slope (logarithmic)
filter that was +10 dB at 20 Hz, and -20 at 20 Khz. That brought out too
much room noise, so I put in a break down to -30 dB starting at 200 Hz.


Far too dull-sounding for my liking. I'm just knocking 8dB off the top
end, using a splined FFT breaking at 1500Hz. I remember how it
actually sounded, and the recording is actually pretty faithful - just
too bright for comfort.

Bright room eh? ;-)


Yes - I'll take along a thousand or so bean bag chairs next time. They
should sort it out. :-)

d

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