Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

I'm quite disappointed with my Denon DM33 microsystems standard speakers.
Lovely and crisp, but NO bass at all. Well not much.

My question is: Is it worth while upgrading the speakers?

Richer sounds have some Kef floorstanders for only £89 and Mordaunt Shorts
for £150 (Can't remember models, but can find out if it's useful).

Don't want too much bass, just a more balanced sound.

Would a subwoofer with standard speakers be better? Don't want to upset
neighbors though and don't want loads of bass at expense of clarity.

Is the Denons performance the weakest link? IE will better spekers not
improve things much?

Is the Denon 22W up to it?

Sorry - too many questions! ANy opinions or advice will be greatly
appreciated.

Cheers!

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

"Baloney" wrote in message
...
I'm quite disappointed with my Denon DM33 microsystems standard
speakers.
Lovely and crisp, but NO bass at all. Well not much.

My question is: Is it worth while upgrading the speakers?

Richer sounds have some Kef floorstanders for only £89 and Mordaunt
Shorts
for £150 (Can't remember models, but can find out if it's useful).

Don't want too much bass, just a more balanced sound.

Would a subwoofer with standard speakers be better? Don't want to
upset
neighbors though and don't want loads of bass at expense of clarity.

Is the Denons performance the weakest link? IE will better spekers
not
improve things much?

Is the Denon 22W up to it?

Sorry - too many questions! ANy opinions or advice will be greatly
appreciated.

Cheers!




Is that the Denon with speakers made by Mission? They should be good
enough. Where are they placed? Putting them near a wall will improve
the subjective bass.

Otherwise you can get floor-standers if your room is not too large
given the power available but they need space - typically up to 1m
from the nearest wall in any direction. You will certainly get better
sound from them than your existing. Also look at/listen to some of the
Gale floorstanders: they are a bit smaller than the KEF but sound
quite good. It has to be said that for most purposes floor standing
speakers sound better than bookshelves if you want bass, but people
often say that their imaging is not so good - with which I would have
to agree as the owner/user of both KEF Q55 and Spendor BC1.

Ultimately it depends upon your taste, the type of music you play, and
how loud you want it. Decide on those, then take some discs that you
know, go to Richers on a quiet day and with any luck they'll
demonstrate them - or you will be able to take them home to try them.


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:20:38 GMT, "harrogate3"
wrote:

Is that the Denon with speakers made by Mission? They should be good
enough. Where are they placed? Putting them near a wall will improve
the subjective bass.

If they are the Missions, they will take nicely to a small added sub.
I tried a little Canton sub with the M3 my wife has and it made a
significant improvement in balance, especially at low levels.

Kal

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

"Kalman Rubinson" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 08:20:38 GMT, "harrogate3"
wrote:

Is that the Denon with speakers made by Mission? They should be good
enough. Where are they placed? Putting them near a wall will improve
the subjective bass.

If they are the Missions, they will take nicely to a small added sub.
I tried a little Canton sub with the M3 my wife has and it made a
significant improvement in balance, especially at low levels.

Kal


Hi Kal,

I've wondered about adding a subwoofer, but worried (out of ignorance! Not
used subwoofers before) about too much woolly bass upsetting neighbors! I
had a quick look around and it seems £100 is about where prices start - what
sort of price would need to be spent? Actually - I'll google your Canton
right now...

Cheers!

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

I'm quite disappointed with my Denon DM33 microsystems standard
speakers.
Lovely and crisp, but NO bass at all. Well not much.

[snip]


Sorry - too many questions! ANy opinions or advice will be greatly
appreciated.

Cheers!




Is that the Denon with speakers made by Mission? They should be good
enough. Where are they placed? Putting them near a wall will improve
the subjective bass.

Otherwise you can get floor-standers if your room is not too large
given the power available but they need space - typically up to 1m
from the nearest wall in any direction. You will certainly get better
sound from them than your existing. Also look at/listen to some of the
Gale floorstanders: they are a bit smaller than the KEF but sound
quite good. It has to be said that for most purposes floor standing
speakers sound better than bookshelves if you want bass, but people
often say that their imaging is not so good - with which I would have
to agree as the owner/user of both KEF Q55 and Spendor BC1.

Ultimately it depends upon your taste, the type of music you play, and
how loud you want it. Decide on those, then take some discs that you
know, go to Richers on a quiet day and with any luck they'll
demonstrate them - or you will be able to take them home to try them.


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com



Thanks for the reply, Woody.

Yeah, I've heard it was Mission that designed them.

The longer version of my story is:

Had an old system comprising Yamaha amp, Cambridge Audio CD player and
Tannoy Mercury MX1 speakers. It was a modest system, but I was quite happy
with the sound.

Then, the CD player played up to the point where I couldn't stand it any
more and my little boy pierced the centre bit (dust cap?) of the Tannoys
with his jet fighter. A new system was in order.

I thought that to save space I'd try a compact microsystem. Played a few in
a couple of shops and was very dishearthened until I tried the Denon.
Compared to the others it seemed a world apart! Cash was splashed out
immediately!

After getting it home (~6mnths ago now) I was a little disappointed. Maybe
my expectations were too high. I connected up my damaged Tannoys and it
sounded much more rounded but a bit sort of wooly and loose. Sorry - don't
know how to describe it. But I'm putting it down to the damage.

So, I'm hoping that if I get some bargain spekers, I will be content again!
But I'm a bit worried that I should have just gone the separates route
instead... Can't afford to change the whole lot now anyway!

So - thats where I am!

Today, I phoned Tannoy to see about getting replacement cones. They were
extremely helpful, but the cones were a shocking 44.87 + VAT each, plus £5
delivery! That would total what I paid for the speakers new!

So, now I'm looking at:

1) Follow the wifes advice. Sut the **** up and be happy with what I've
got!
2) Get some KEF/Gale/MS floorstanders post crimbo
3) Get MX1s repaired
4) get subwoofer
5) ebay

1) Don't think I can manage this
2) Most likely as far as I can see at the moment
3) I would if it were half the price
4) Worried about quality. No reason - subwoofers are new to me. Also
worried about upsetting the neighbors!
5) Finding something decent/right and local(to avoid massive postal costs)
seems tricky

I play mainly 'rock' music - Cake, genesis, soundgarden, stevie wonder,
flaming lips, etc etc. Usually at modest volumes - neighbors and three
small children! SO don't want silly amounts of bass, but really want a
clean, punchy sound.

Thanks for te advice - any other thoughts would be welcome!

Cheers!

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

"Baloney" wrote in message
...
I'm quite disappointed with my Denon DM33 microsystems standard speakers.
Lovely and crisp, but NO bass at all. Well not much.

My question is: Is it worth while upgrading the speakers?

Hello!

Well, I suppose it would depend on the speakers, but I would definitely try
them.

My wife had a Denon system with Denon/Mission speakers when I met her. I
thought it sounded quite good, but wondered what it would sound like with
different speakers. So I tried it with the Rogers LS4as that I used to use
as my main speakers and now use as rear speakers in an AV setup.

I thought it sounded worse with the Rogers - the midband seemed to
disappear, which made me wonder whether the supplied speakers are somehow
tailored to the frequency response of the unit.

Andrew

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

Andrew Virnuls wrote:

My wife had a Denon system with Denon/Mission speakers when I met her. I
thought it sounded quite good, but wondered what it would sound like with
different speakers. So I tried it with the Rogers LS4as that I used to use
as my main speakers and now use as rear speakers in an AV setup.

I thought it sounded worse with the Rogers - the midband seemed to
disappear, which made me wonder whether the supplied speakers are somehow
tailored to the frequency response of the unit.

The Rogers are pretty good speakers, though without any extreme bass.
There's some detail of the mark 2 he
http://www.mhennessy1.f9.co.uk/rogers/brochures.htm

It's possible that the Denon system has a frequency response tailored to
the supplied speakers. Maybe it has a loudness control (boosted bass and
treble at low volumes) that gives the effect of quiet midrange on good
speakers. Does it have some preset equalizer settings? You need to do
some measurements.

--
Eiron.

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:09:43 +0000, Eiron wrote:

It's possible that the Denon system has a frequency response tailored to
the supplied speakers. Maybe it has a loudness control (boosted bass and
treble at low volumes) that gives the effect of quiet midrange on good
speakers. Does it have some preset equalizer settings? You need to do
some measurements.

The answer to those questions is, generally, yes. I found that
replacing the speakers on my wife's Denon system was not as
satisfactory as adding a little sub. Certainly, the EQ settings are
tailored to the little Missions.

Kal

Denon micro system speaker upgrade
 

decent headphones ????

"Baloney" wrote in message
...
I'm quite disappointed with my Denon DM33 microsystems standard
speakers.
Lovely and crisp, but NO bass at all. Well not much.

[snip]


Sorry - too many questions! ANy opinions or advice will be greatly
appreciated.

Cheers!




Is that the Denon with speakers made by Mission? They should be good
enough. Where are they placed? Putting them near a wall will improve
the subjective bass.

Otherwise you can get floor-standers if your room is not too large
given the power available but they need space - typically up to 1m
from the nearest wall in any direction. You will certainly get better
sound from them than your existing. Also look at/listen to some of the
Gale floorstanders: they are a bit smaller than the KEF but sound
quite good. It has to be said that for most purposes floor standing
speakers sound better than bookshelves if you want bass, but people
often say that their imaging is not so good - with which I would have
to agree as the owner/user of both KEF Q55 and Spendor BC1.

Ultimately it depends upon your taste, the type of music you play, and
how loud you want it. Decide on those, then take some discs that you
know, go to Richers on a quiet day and with any luck they'll
demonstrate them - or you will be able to take them home to try them.


--
Woody

harrogate3 at ntlworld dot com



Thanks for the reply, Woody.

Yeah, I've heard it was Mission that designed them.

The longer version of my story is:

Had an old system comprising Yamaha amp, Cambridge Audio CD player and
Tannoy Mercury MX1 speakers. It was a modest system, but I was quite
happy with the sound.

Then, the CD player played up to the point where I couldn't stand it any
more and my little boy pierced the centre bit (dust cap?) of the Tannoys
with his jet fighter. A new system was in order.

I thought that to save space I'd try a compact microsystem. Played a few
in a couple of shops and was very dishearthened until I tried the Denon.
Compared to the others it seemed a world apart! Cash was splashed out
immediately!

After getting it home (~6mnths ago now) I was a little disappointed.
Maybe my expectations were too high. I connected up my damaged Tannoys
and it sounded much more rounded but a bit sort of wooly and loose.
Sorry - don't know how to describe it. But I'm putting it down to the
damage.

So, I'm hoping that if I get some bargain spekers, I will be content
again! But I'm a bit worried that I should have just gone the separates
route instead... Can't afford to change the whole lot now anyway!

So - thats where I am!

Today, I phoned Tannoy to see about getting replacement cones. They were
extremely helpful, but the cones were a shocking 44.87 + VAT each, plus £5
delivery! That would total what I paid for the speakers new!

So, now I'm looking at:

1) Follow the wifes advice. Sut the **** up and be happy with what I've
got!
2) Get some KEF/Gale/MS floorstanders post crimbo
3) Get MX1s repaired
4) get subwoofer
5) ebay

1) Don't think I can manage this
2) Most likely as far as I can see at the moment
3) I would if it were half the price
4) Worried about quality. No reason - subwoofers are new to me. Also
worried about upsetting the neighbors!
5) Finding something decent/right and local(to avoid massive postal costs)
seems tricky

I play mainly 'rock' music - Cake, genesis, soundgarden, stevie wonder,
flaming lips, etc etc. Usually at modest volumes - neighbors and three
small children! SO don't want silly amounts of bass, but really want a
clean, punchy sound.

Thanks for te advice - any other thoughts would be welcome!

Cheers!