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A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism



 
 
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Old March 7th 07, 09:16 PM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment,rec.audio.tubes
Mark Ilsley
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Default A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism

You should know.

"Phil Allison" wrote in message
...

"Arny Krueger"


IME, salemen as a rule just don't know any better. Only a few of them
have a strong background in tech. I'm not sure this is *always* a bad
thing, as one can know too much to be an effective salesman.



** Just like having a conscience or any empathy would get in the way of
being an effective Nazi ?




....... Phil




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Old March 7th 07, 09:58 PM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment
AZ Nomad
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On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:16:28 +1100, Mark Ilsley wrote:
"Phil Allison" wrote in message

snipped

You should know.



Do you find that the "no I'm not, but you are" argument works well around
your circle of friends?

Most people find that it quits working by around the time they get into
junior high school.

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Old March 7th 07, 10:04 PM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment,rec.audio.tubes
Lord Valve
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9/11 Wasn't Real wrote:

Yeah, all that **** that blew up in New York was a ****in' cartoon, right?

You asshole.

My conclusion after listening was that xyz was more capable of
conveying intangible things like the degree of commitment displayed by
musicians in a performance...


BwahahahahahahHAH!

The jerk who wrote that is as dumb as you are.

LV





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Old March 7th 07, 11:15 PM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment,rec.audio.tubes
Peter Wieck
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On Mar 7, 6:04 pm, Lord Valve wrote:
9/11 Wasn't Real wrote:

Yeah, all that **** that blew up in New York was a ****in' cartoon, right?

You asshole.

My conclusion after listening was that xyz was more capable of
conveying intangible things like the degree of commitment displayed by
musicians in a performance...


BwahahahahahahHAH!

The jerk who wrote that is as dumb as you are.

LV


Valvey... Valvey... Valvey

This jackass is searching for a nibble. My response was to attempt to
ascertain the sh*t-level-by-eye-color... Dumb, not hardly. Pulling
various and sundry chains... precisely.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

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Old March 8th 07, 12:33 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment,rec.audio.tubes
roughplanet
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"9/11 Wasn't Real" wrote in message
oups.com...

Many of us are becoming increasingly aware of those audiophiles who
show an extraordinary preoccupation with hi-fi equipment for its own
sake. Contributors to as well as readers of HFN/RR have expressed
irritation with this so-called lunatic fringe, which has been
repeatedly criticized for being out of touch with reality.

snip most of this post for brevity's sake

As we would expect, rational assessment can do very little against
such feelings; it is a poor weapon against the mystifications of
fetishistic publicity. I might add that manufacturers who allow
themselves to be exalted and aggrandized by fetishists in the same
manner as their products are doing themselves a disservice. For they
too are indulging in a form of narcissistic gratification and are
lending yet further credibility to the lunatic fringe.

From Hi-Fi News and Record Review, October 1981

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zfetish.html


A precised version of this post, albeit somewhat tongue in cheek, can be had
by listening to Flanders' & Swan's song 'High Fidelity'.
Can't remember whether it's on their first album, 'At the Drop of a Hat' or
on their second, 'At the Drop of Another Hat'. Sorry.

ruff


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Old March 8th 07, 01:01 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment
Mark Ilsley
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In this case, who needs to make an argument.

(p.s. Death to all bottom posters and Phil-o-philes)

"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:16:28 +1100, Mark Ilsley
wrote:
"Phil Allison" wrote in message

snipped

You should know.



Do you find that the "no I'm not, but you are" argument works well around
your circle of friends?

Most people find that it quits working by around the time they get into
junior high school.



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Old March 8th 07, 02:02 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment
roughplanet
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007 09:16:28 +1100, Mark Ilsley
wrote:

"Phil Allison" wrote in message

snipped

You should know.


Do you find that the "no I'm not, but you are" argument works well around
your circle of friends?

Most people find that it quits working by around the time they get into
junior high school.


If you believe that Phil Allison is a member of anyone on aus.hi-fi's circle
of friends, either you don't know him very well or the circle you're
referring to has a diameter of 1 mm or less.
Mark's reply was in fact, quite succinct, as Philthy has used the term
'Nazi' to describe almost everyone on this newsgroup at some time or other,
and so, by now, ought to be an expert on the subject.

ruff


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Old March 8th 07, 03:08 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment
TT
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"roughplanet" wrote in
message
...
::
: If you believe that Phil Allison is a member of anyone on
aus.hi-fi's circle
: of friends, either you don't know him very well or the
circle you're
: referring to has a diameter of 1 mm or less.
: Mark's reply was in fact, quite succinct, as Philthy has
used the term
: 'Nazi' to describe almost everyone on this newsgroup at
some time or other,
: and so, by now, ought to be an expert on the subject.
:
: ruff
:
I wish to invoke Godwin's Law ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

BTW it's directed at you Ruff BUT the first person who
mentioned it i.e. Philthy.

Cheers TT


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Old March 8th 07, 03:56 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment
roughplanet
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"TT" wrote in message
...

"roughplanet" wrote in message
...
:
: If you believe that Phil Allison is a member of anyone on aus.hi-fi's

circle
: of friends, either you don't know him very well or the circle you're
: referring to has a diameter of 1 mm or less.
: Mark's reply was in fact, quite succinct, as Philthy has used the term
: 'Nazi' to describe almost everyone on this newsgroup at some time or

other,
: and so, by now, ought to be an expert on the subject.


I wish to invoke Godwin's Law ;-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

BTW it's directed at you Ruff BUT the first person who
mentioned it i.e. Philthy.


How appropriate. Godwin must know Philthy pretty well :-).

ruff


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Old March 8th 07, 07:36 AM posted to uk.rec.audio,rec.audio.pro,aus.hi-fi,alt.audio.equipment,rec.audio.tubes
Philip Homburg
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Default A psychologist's view of Hi-Fi fetishism

In article .com,
Karl Winkler wrote:
In the photo
newsgroups, equipment is discussed endlessly while the .technique
groups see very little activity. Clearly, it's easier to discuss the
merits of equipment rather than to focus on what really makes the
difference: the recording or photography techniques, etc.


First of all, most buyers of hi-fi equipment are limited to just
reproduction of what somebody else has recorded. Just about the only
creative input is which track to play next.

However, my guess is that for the technically inclined people it is much
easier to talk about features of equipment than to talk about, for example,
photography techniques.

And even if the participants know the concepts to discuss a piece of music
or a photograph, there is such a wide range in tastes, that a discussion
may not go anywhere.

So in the end, it is quite possible that equipment oriented forums will
see the most activity.


--
That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it
could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done
by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make.
-- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency
 




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