That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

Graham

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

******

And here is what I wrote originally, from which you took your dumb
soundbite to sneer at:

******

Andy Evans is right. There used to be real tube talk on RAT. Now
there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics and return to
find hardly anything worth reading and only one intelligent question
-- from West -- worth answering.

The same people are still beating internal NFB in triodes to death
with pinpricks. Sheesh, fellers, either you believe the observable
anomalies in triode results is caused by invisible NFB, or you
conclude that pentodes are naturally, permanently and irredeemably
(nice word on Easter Sunday) inferior. But neither party will
convince
the other.

What a waste of time.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

*******

PS I delayed sending my reply to Poopie so that a few other dumb
clucks could have an opportunity once more to display their dire
ignorance. Worthless Wiecky and Ian "The Last Commie" Iveson already
dived face-first into the staked pit. Poopie, Worthless and the little
pinkocommiefellowtraveller are positively the best arguments I know
for proactive sterilization programmes. Come back, Sanjit Ghandi, all
is forgiven.

Andrew Jute the 'alleged author' wrote:

That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
The nitwit scribe Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

Ok.

How about posting a link to this hot **** for cyclists ? It sounds interesting.

Graham

Donkeyspam wrote:
Andrew Jute the 'alleged author' wrote:

....and if you can read, Poopie, you may visit some of my books at
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html
Enjoy!

That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
The nitwit scribe Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

Ok.

How about posting a link to this hot **** for cyclists ? It sounds interesting.

Graham

Sure thing, Poopie; I'm here to provide information to the least of my
fellow-men. Hail the ARRL!

Here's the Shimano Di2 Nexave Cyber Nexus groupset with internal hub
gears:
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/...=1176072328466

And here is the Shimano Di2 C810 groupset for derailleur gears:
http://cycle.shimano-eu.com/catalog/...=1176072384684

Are we next going to see your fat backside overflowing a bicycle,
Poopie, now that they change gears automatically and require no skill?

There are photos of me cycling hard in:
http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/B...20CYCLING.html

Andre Jute
The trouble with most people is not what they don't know, but what
they know for certain that isn't true. ---Mark Twain

"Andre Jute" wrote in message
ups.com...

Now there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

Andrew, you certainly don't suffer from a "self-image shortfall".
What a puffed up piece of human garbage!

APR wrote:
"Andre Jute" wrote in message
ups.com...

Now there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

Andrew, you certainly don't suffer from a "self-image shortfall".

Yes, we can see why that should bother you.

What a puffed up piece of human garbage!

I hate to disillusion the innocence of someone who agrees with me as
wholeheartedly as you do, but it isn't just one tacky radio restorer,
it's a multitude of tacky radio restorers all selling their wretched
**** to each other on RAT. And it a thunderous multitude of fools with
dire self-image problems. Why, just one of them, Poopie Stevenson, is
so fat, and so loud, and so industriously obnoxious, he counts for
five normal ****heads.

So, perhaps you sentence should read:

What puffed up pieceS of human garbage!

or, better still, more pointedly and directly and universally, all of
which add authority:

What puffed up human garbage!

Hope this helps you express yourself more clearly in future, my dear
Arf. (BTW, are you the Arf in the shaggy dog story?)

Andre Jute
Habit is the nursery of errors. -- Victor Hugo

Andre Jute wrote:

That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

Graham

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

Gee Andre,

I am a far too determined a minimalist to want a bicycle with all the
bells and whistles you have refered to above, and in addition to those I
nominated
for the serious sportsman in another post.

The less I have on the bike, the better. So I clean it sometimes.
I dunno any shiela across town who's worth rooting after hours, so I
don't need lights.
When it rains, I get wet. Mudguards don't help much, and electronics
have a bad habit of not
working in the damp.

No amount of electonics make hills any easier to ride over, and they
don't slow headwinds, which should all be
blowing slower because countless windmills have been erected all over
the country to stop
greenhouse emissions, and ruin the tranquil views that attract folks to
a rural life.

Patrick Turner.



******

And here is what I wrote originally, from which you took your dumb
soundbite to sneer at:

******

Andy Evans is right. There used to be real tube talk on RAT. Now
there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics and return to
find hardly anything worth reading and only one intelligent question
-- from West -- worth answering.

The same people are still beating internal NFB in triodes to death
with pinpricks. Sheesh, fellers, either you believe the observable
anomalies in triode results is caused by invisible NFB, or you
conclude that pentodes are naturally, permanently and irredeemably
(nice word on Easter Sunday) inferior. But neither party will
convince
the other.

What a waste of time.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

*******

PS I delayed sending my reply to Poopie so that a few other dumb
clucks could have an opportunity once more to display their dire
ignorance. Worthless Wiecky and Ian "The Last Commie" Iveson already
dived face-first into the staked pit. Poopie, Worthless and the little
pinkocommiefellowtraveller are positively the best arguments I know
for proactive sterilization programmes. Come back, Sanjit Ghandi, all
is forgiven.

Patrick Turner wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

Graham

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

Gee Andre,

I am a far too determined a minimalist to want a bicycle with all the
bells and whistles you have refered to above, and in addition to those I
nominated
for the serious sportsman in another post.

Yes, I know what you mean. I'm Calvinist, so I'm by birth and
destination and training and inclination a minimalist too; hedonism is
a hard-acquired taste. But I already had a bike with hub gears and
front suspension and other luxuries like splash guards and a plush
seat, so the extra weight of the motor to change the gears and the
computer to control it all and the display unit isn't all that much,
because it is all lightweight stuff and you're throwing off a cast/
forged rotary control. In addition or, rather, in subtraction, I am
also designing a stainless steel frame that will be lighter than the
thick ali of my original hub gear Gazelle Toulouse by many kilo, and
lighter even by a kilo or so than the Trek ali chassis I currently
have the electronic gear on. All in all, the electronic bike will be
about 6 or 7 kilo, possibly as much as 15 pounds, lighter than the old
one... Okay, so some people have entire racing bikes that weigh that
much; so what -- I'm not racing, I'm taking in the scenery or talking,
taking social rides.

The less I have on the bike, the better. So I clean it sometimes.

Clean it? You're joking, of course. I used to drive really filthy
Porsche (in sunshine yellow, so the filth would really stand out), and
once threatened to fire a driver who insisted on washing and polishing
the Bentley. My experience is that people think that anyone who can
drive a car that filthy will also not care if it is crushed a little
against their shining, polished pride and joy, and consequently are in
a real rush to get the hell out of my way. I don't wash my bike
either. On the Gazelle I sit taller than the drivers of Range Rovers,
bend to look them in the eye, then cut them off in traffic with
impunity. If my bike were clean, they'd cut me off; most of those
buggers, and all their wives, have no idea at all about where the
corners of their landyacht are. They'd hit me for sure if they saw a
clean bike and thought I cared, and consequently cut me off.

I dunno any shiela across town who's worth rooting after hours, so I
don't need lights.
When it rains, I get wet.

I have a cycling cloak that I imported from the Netherlands but it
gets very little use. Even my yellow paclite jacket is used more often
as a windbreak than to keep me dry. My rides are rarely so long or so
urgent that I can't shelter from the worst of the rain under a tree,
or can't reach home and a hot bath even in persistent rain before the
cold reaches the marrow. The persistent drizzle we in Ireland call "a
soft day" has long since ceased to bother me. What really hurts is
hail; we have hail perhaps twice a year and each time I am caught in
it.

Mudguards don't help much, and electronics
have a bad habit of not
working in the damp.

Is that right? I'll have to take your word for it. Only electronics I
ever had that refused to work was a fuse panel in my wife's Volvo
estate. Made by Lucas, Prince of Darkness, of course. Worse than the
spaghetti merchants at Magneto Marelli.

No amount of electonics make hills any easier to ride over,

Rubbish. I ride up the hills without thinking about which gear to be
in, without wasting time and energy being in the wrong gear, and
trying to remember whether the 31 gear inch ratio is two up at the
front and four down at the back or some other forgotten combo. All I
do is punch the button under my right thumb twice to drop the gearbox
mode from sport through normal into little old lady mode, which is
good for hills. The sports mode won't let me use a gear lower than
second, and the normal mode is what I already have on another bike,
which is just the eight hub gears at my normal energy expenditure -- I
dinna spend the money to do the same thing! But the little old lady
mode (Shimano calls it L for leisure) lowers the expected rate of work
so that on a familiar hill my pulse rate was 30bpm lower than when I
went up there the previous week on a manual bike. The ascent was
clearly easier. That the electronics automatically harden or lock out
the suspension when you're travelling slowly or steeply uphill also
helps, and probably substantially, but I can't see how one would
reliably quantify the contribution of the adaptive suspension.

and they
don't slow headwinds, which should all be
blowing slower because countless windmills have been erected all over
the country to stop
greenhouse emissions, and ruin the tranquil views that attract folks to
a rural life.

They don't put those up near me. I made a phone call to the flat of
the relevant pol's mistress to remind him that about 440AD my
ancestors ate his ancestors' livers, a tradition I might just
resurrect; the windmills got "reevaluated", code for cancelled.
Windmills don't work, will never pay for themselves, aren't as silent
as nuclear power. The only good thing about windmills is that they
kill a lot of crows and seagulls; on the other hand, they also kill
worthwhile birds like swans and geese and ducks. Together with some
environmentalists I was walking with, I cooked and ate a swan that a
windmill killed; it was as tough as badly hung beef even though it
smelled high enough...

Patrick Turner.

Ride tall.

Andre Jute
Trick-cyclist


******

And here is what I wrote originally, from which you took your dumb
soundbite to sneer at:

******

Andy Evans is right. There used to be real tube talk on RAT. Now
there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics and return to
find hardly anything worth reading and only one intelligent question
-- from West -- worth answering.

The same people are still beating internal NFB in triodes to death
with pinpricks. Sheesh, fellers, either you believe the observable
anomalies in triode results is caused by invisible NFB, or you
conclude that pentodes are naturally, permanently and irredeemably
(nice word on Easter Sunday) inferior. But neither party will
convince
the other.

What a waste of time.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

*******

PS I delayed sending my reply to Poopie so that a few other dumb
clucks could have an opportunity once more to display their dire
ignorance. Worthless Wiecky and Ian "The Last Commie" Iveson already
dived face-first into the staked pit. Poopie, Worthless and the little
pinkocommiefellowtraveller are positively the best arguments I know
for proactive sterilization programmes. Come back, Sanjit Ghandi, all
is forgiven.

Andre Jute crawled out from under a rock and crossposted to uk.rec.audio:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

This must be a new definition of 'do,' meaning to buy a complete
solution from Shimano and get the local bike shop to fit it.
Of course, suspension is pointless on a road bike as, if set up
correctly, the legs act as perfect shock absorbers. Things may be
different if you are stupid enough to ride a Dutch town bicycle.

--
Eiron

Andre Jute wrote:

Patrick Turner wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

That braying ass Eeyore, aka Graham Stevenson, wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

Bwahahahahahahahaha !

Bike ELECTRONICS eh ?

Graham

How typical of you, Poopie, to sneer at what you know nothing about,
and lack the brains to understand when it is explained to you.

My latest bike has adaptive suspension, automatically hard when going
slowly or going up hills to save pedalling energy for forward motion,
soft when going quickly for comfort. It has electrically changed
gears, also adaptive in 24 programs to the rider's effort, related to
road and pedalling speed and so on. When I stop, the gears change
automatically to put me in the right gear for starting off again, and
the suspension is automatically set to hard so I don't waste energy
compressing the suspension. The lights switch on automatically when it
is dark and the bike is moving. And off again automatically, of
course.

Why don't you try moving into the 21st century, Poopie? Who knows, you
might like it. This is 2007, sonny; set your clock forward.

Gee Andre,

I am a far too determined a minimalist to want a bicycle with all the
bells and whistles you have refered to above, and in addition to those I
nominated
for the serious sportsman in another post.

Yes, I know what you mean. I'm Calvinist, so I'm by birth and
destination and training and inclination a minimalist too; hedonism is
a hard-acquired taste. But I already had a bike with hub gears and
front suspension and other luxuries like splash guards and a plush
seat, so the extra weight of the motor to change the gears and the
computer to control it all and the display unit isn't all that much,
because it is all lightweight stuff and you're throwing off a cast/
forged rotary control. In addition or, rather, in subtraction, I am
also designing a stainless steel frame that will be lighter than the
thick ali of my original hub gear Gazelle Toulouse by many kilo, and
lighter even by a kilo or so than the Trek ali chassis I currently
have the electronic gear on. All in all, the electronic bike will be
about 6 or 7 kilo, possibly as much as 15 pounds, lighter than the old
one... Okay, so some people have entire racing bikes that weigh that
much; so what -- I'm not racing, I'm taking in the scenery or talking,
taking social rides.

The less I have on the bike, the better. So I clean it sometimes.

Clean it? You're joking, of course. I used to drive really filthy
Porsche (in sunshine yellow, so the filth would really stand out), and
once threatened to fire a driver who insisted on washing and polishing
the Bentley. My experience is that people think that anyone who can
drive a car that filthy will also not care if it is crushed a little
against their shining, polished pride and joy, and consequently are in
a real rush to get the hell out of my way. I don't wash my bike
either. On the Gazelle I sit taller than the drivers of Range Rovers,
bend to look them in the eye, then cut them off in traffic with
impunity. If my bike were clean, they'd cut me off; most of those
buggers, and all their wives, have no idea at all about where the
corners of their landyacht are. They'd hit me for sure if they saw a
clean bike and thought I cared, and consequently cut me off.

I dunno any shiela across town who's worth rooting after hours, so I
don't need lights.
When it rains, I get wet.

I have a cycling cloak that I imported from the Netherlands but it
gets very little use. Even my yellow paclite jacket is used more often
as a windbreak than to keep me dry. My rides are rarely so long or so
urgent that I can't shelter from the worst of the rain under a tree,
or can't reach home and a hot bath even in persistent rain before the
cold reaches the marrow. The persistent drizzle we in Ireland call "a
soft day" has long since ceased to bother me. What really hurts is
hail; we have hail perhaps twice a year and each time I am caught in
it.

Mudguards don't help much, and electronics
have a bad habit of not
working in the damp.

Is that right? I'll have to take your word for it. Only electronics I
ever had that refused to work was a fuse panel in my wife's Volvo
estate. Made by Lucas, Prince of Darkness, of course. Worse than the
spaghetti merchants at Magneto Marelli.

No amount of electonics make hills any easier to ride over,

Rubbish. I ride up the hills without thinking about which gear to be
in, without wasting time and energy being in the wrong gear, and
trying to remember whether the 31 gear inch ratio is two up at the
front and four down at the back or some other forgotten combo. All I
do is punch the button under my right thumb twice to drop the gearbox
mode from sport through normal into little old lady mode, which is
good for hills. The sports mode won't let me use a gear lower than
second, and the normal mode is what I already have on another bike,
which is just the eight hub gears at my normal energy expenditure -- I
dinna spend the money to do the same thing! But the little old lady
mode (Shimano calls it L for leisure) lowers the expected rate of work
so that on a familiar hill my pulse rate was 30bpm lower than when I
went up there the previous week on a manual bike. The ascent was
clearly easier. That the electronics automatically harden or lock out
the suspension when you're travelling slowly or steeply uphill also
helps, and probably substantially, but I can't see how one would
reliably quantify the contribution of the adaptive suspension.

and they
don't slow headwinds, which should all be
blowing slower because countless windmills have been erected all over
the country to stop
greenhouse emissions, and ruin the tranquil views that attract folks to
a rural life.

They don't put those up near me. I made a phone call to the flat of
the relevant pol's mistress to remind him that about 440AD my
ancestors ate his ancestors' livers, a tradition I might just
resurrect; the windmills got "reevaluated", code for cancelled.
Windmills don't work, will never pay for themselves, aren't as silent
as nuclear power. The only good thing about windmills is that they
kill a lot of crows and seagulls; on the other hand, they also kill
worthwhile birds like swans and geese and ducks. Together with some
environmentalists I was walking with, I cooked and ate a swan that a
windmill killed; it was as tough as badly hung beef even though it
smelled high enough...

Patrick Turner.

Ride tall.

Andre Jute
Trick-cyclist

No, you still cannot convince me to use all that electronica al junka
on de bicycle.

And I know what gear automatically to ride with. I have the two change
levers on the down tubes still
but sonner or later I will wear out all the ancient 1987 Shimano 600
stuff, and need at
least new rear cluster, chain, and perhaps I get an index changer for
the handlebars
so gears will be easier to change, and less clunky; its always a bother
to have to
remember to change gear before stopping at lights or intersection so you
can start off fast
to get across traffic almost constantly coming at you.

I have 753 and 953 framed bikes, and weight is what the racing standards
were in 1990.
Last time I fell off, the frame kinda bounced, but didn't bend, all was
well,
maybe I have done about 50,000km on that bike. Certainly 7,000km since
last July.
It hasn't been bad, but then not as interesting if i'd done that
distance across Russia,
although had I attempted that I might well be a ghost, long since having
been
run down by a Vodka soaked lorry driver.

I didn't think bikes got all that much lighter once you go away from
a good steel tube frame. Who cares? the weight only slows you up hills,
and
its the man weight, age and condition that controls hill speeds.
Having a bike 2Kg lighter with 30 gear speeds won't make much difference
to
the time it takes around town.
There's a hill that rises about 180M in 3kms across town I often ride,
and I used to do it in about 12minutes and with 48 x 16 gears in 1990.
Last July I strugged with a 23 rear cog, but after losing weight and
gaining power
I now use the 17, and maybe I take 15minutes, I don't bother timing
myself.
But I still catch and pass many younger riders, while remaining
comfortable at
what seems about the same as ever at about 140 max.
One day a young dude who I overtook near the top stopped for a chat at
the top.
He was 20, but hadn't ridden much since emigrating here to Oz.
He'd bought $20 bike at a garage sale.
On the way down the hill, we rolled most of the way and his speed
remained the same as mine,
despite his fatter tyres and not so good machine. Physics does not
change for those who
spend more on lightweight gear. Some old banger with 32mm tyres will
roll just as easy as someone
with the latest 20mm tyres. Its a myth that lighter wheels are lot
faster.
Research on the web showed me how little wheel weight mattered,
especially at my age and power and at
low average speeds I am only capable of.

I just do not need a computer to decide what gear I should use.
Most of the climb is done not sitting down..

A kilo here or there is nothing, and I'm 77Kg, heavy and tall for a
cyclist,
so I need a good solid frame, and of course
some 60Kg shorter person will have a lighter bike.
I once saw a girl out on a really small frame, and 26" wheels with 20mm
tyres,
and her bike would have been very light, but its ratio to her own weight
may not have been much better than with mine.
She had no trouble staying up with the bunch she was in who were all
mainly young men under 40.
I'll never be an Indurain on hills, and when I have gone out on early
mornings
when the keener young athletes are riding, I get passed and it makes me
feel very slow.
But all those young guys would be passed by others of elite standing,
and rare it is that I ever am around when the guys are out from the
Australian Institute of Sport.
They move like greased lightning....
Their Oz headquarters are only a few Km away.

It just feels good being alive and riding
rather than so old and decrepit that i cannot.

A few ppl here are riding recumbent bikes.
I mainly pass these guys real easy anywhere, despite their reputation
for being quicker than an
upright. Only once did some 30 yr old manage to pull away from me on a
flat section of road one day.
Heck, I was giving him a 29year start advantage.
Out on the road they are real dangerous I think. You don't notice them
so easily in a car.
Lying down to ride does not impress me, although if I wanted to do a
landspeed record
across salt flats it could be the way to go.

I quite like swimming now as well, and regret not
spending the extra $3,000 to have made my pool 4M longer back in 1983.

Soon the weather will be cold, and I'll be off to the local public 50M
indoor heated pool,
and that will be a nice change until september when my pool will be
back up to a swimable temperature. But in the larger pool technique with
water can be improved.
I can stay all day for $5 at such a place, and in winter numbers are
down,
and although a pool is a bit claustrophobic, it is another world.


Patrick Turner.




******

And here is what I wrote originally, from which you took your dumb
soundbite to sneer at:

******

Andy Evans is right. There used to be real tube talk on RAT. Now
there's a bunch of tacky radio restorers and fools with a dire self-
image shortfall.

Yech!

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics and return to
find hardly anything worth reading and only one intelligent question
-- from West -- worth answering.

The same people are still beating internal NFB in triodes to death
with pinpricks. Sheesh, fellers, either you believe the observable
anomalies in triode results is caused by invisible NFB, or you
conclude that pentodes are naturally, permanently and irredeemably
(nice word on Easter Sunday) inferior. But neither party will
convince
the other.

What a waste of time.

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

*******

PS I delayed sending my reply to Poopie so that a few other dumb
clucks could have an opportunity once more to display their dire
ignorance. Worthless Wiecky and Ian "The Last Commie" Iveson already
dived face-first into the staked pit. Poopie, Worthless and the little
pinkocommiefellowtraveller are positively the best arguments I know
for proactive sterilization programmes. Come back, Sanjit Ghandi, all
is forgiven.

Eiron wrote:
Andre Jute crawled out from under a rock and crossposted to uk.rec.audio:

It was a very nice rock shadily overhanging a charming cove beside a
stream on whose grasstopped bosom I slept away the midday heat. On the
underside of the rock was inscribed in letters of fi

OH YE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO LIVE AND RIDE HERE, PITY THE POOR WAGE
SLAVES IN THEIR HELLISH FOUNDRIES AND TICKY-TACKY HOVELS IN ENGLAND.

...and crossposted to uk.rec.audio

And when I oBjected, "But I do," the ****ing rock flashed, "NOT
ENOUGH! EDUCATE THE IGNORAMUS EIRON ABOUT TRUE BICYCLING!"

It's a real wake-up call when a rock pities you, eh, Eiron.

I go away for a couple of weeks to do bike electronics

This must be a new definition of 'do,' meaning to buy a complete
solution from Shimano

Sure it is, sonny. First, I consider what control is desirable which
is a nice detour through physics. A bike has some very, very odd
handling phenomena, did you know? Clearly not. Then I consider what is
achievable. Then I make an outline design from standard parts out of
the RS and Farnell catalogues. Then I price building a prototype. When
I come out of intensive care, I buy the groupset from Shimano. It does
everything I though necessary, and a bit besides (I don't see the
point of rear suspension except for dirtjumpers).

You of course, ride a common or garden "road" bike you bought in a
shop, or more likely second hand from someone who saw you coming, and
preyed on you fashion-victim desire to belong to a group. But you feel
adequate to the task of sneering at someone who has curiosity and the
energy to inform himself and then to act on the information.
Congratulions, Eiron, for letting your psyche hang out in public. What
will you expose next?

and get the local bike shop to fit it.

My bike mechanic is nearly eighty. I just let him do the heavy
lifting, bending, fiddly work in impossible places while hanging by
his knees from the rafters, suchlike. Clean, light assembly of new
parts I always graciously undertake myself, if flattered in advance
and overpaid for it in proportion to my position in the food chain.
It's a good choice to have. Let me give you a tip, Eiron: Always wear
gloves, then the grease cannot get under your fingernails. You'll
never get a woman with hands like yours.

Of course, suspension is pointless on a road bike as, if set up
correctly, the legs act as perfect shock absorbers.

Do you really think so? I thought you claimed to be an "engineer". Oh
well, perhaps at your school for jumped-technicians the teachers
weren't allowed to fail the idiots for fear of socially disadvantaging
them.

Here, I'll give you another tip: what marks you out as a fashion
victim is your axiomatic assumption, when I say "bike" that I'm
talking about a "road" bike (for the rest of you, by that Eiron means
a racing bike with drop handles and an excruciating nut-crusher of a
seat). When I say "bike", I don't mean an implement advertising
persuaded me would improve my image, I mean a device tailored
specifically in the smallest detail to my comfort and intended use.
The most important person in my cycling universe is not Lance
Armstrong, it is me.

Things may be
different if you are stupid enough to ride a Dutch town bicycle.

You can't imagine how different, Eiron. And it is because of your
public failure of imagination that I shan't bother to explain and you
will learn nothing. Yet again.

But, while you wallow in your ignorance, you might consider whether it
is statistically likely that millions of people who cycle every day in
Europe can be "stupid" while you, Eiron, alone are right.

Now that's a giggle for which I don't mind doing the math!

--
Eiron

Unsigned out of contempt