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Does anyone know of any alternatives to the Bose LIFESTYLE 48/38
system, or the Denon CHR-103F based system? Obviously I'm not suggesting buying the former, but any comments on the latter? I can't find much about it on the net. |
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In article . com,
wrote: Does anyone know of any alternatives to the Bose LIFESTYLE 48/38 system, or the Denon CHR-103F based system? Obviously I'm not suggesting buying the former, but any comments on the latter? I can't find much about it on the net. There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. -- *I want it all and I want it delivered Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article . com, wrote: Does anyone know of any alternatives to the Bose LIFESTYLE 48/38 system, or the Denon CHR-103F based system? Obviously I'm not suggesting buying the former, but any comments on the latter? I can't find much about it on the net. There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. Most of those have only a 40 Gig HDD - there is an 80 Gig version available: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0454&rd=1&rd=1 |
Simple systems with a HDD
In article ,
Keith G wrote: There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. Most of those have only a 40 Gig HDD - there is an 80 Gig version available: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...0454&rd=1&rd=1 Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. -- *Why do overlook and oversee mean opposite things? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 23 Apr, 00:12, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:
In article , Keith G wrote: There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. Most of those have only a 40 Gig HDD - there is an 80 Gig version available: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sspagename=STR.... Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Doc |
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"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message oups.com... On 23 Apr, 00:12, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Keith G wrote: There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. Most of those have only a 40 Gig HDD - there is an 80 Gig version available: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sspagename=STR... Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. There are three levels of compression (128/192/320 KB) available, I gather - so there would be the opportunity to store a lot more albums than that...?? For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? |
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In article .com,
Dr Hfuhruhurr wrote: Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. It uses some form of data reduction but is a bit coy about saying which one. On 'best' it sounds ok for my uses, though. -- *Marriage changes passion - suddenly you're in bed with a relative* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Simple systems with a HDD
In article ,
Keith G wrote: Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. There are three levels of compression (128/192/320 KB) available, I gather - so there would be the opportunity to store a lot more albums than that...?? It would seem so. Trying my most difficult one - solo piano - I just settled on the maximum. I won't need *that* many in it anyway - the filing system isn't of the best. Or probably just the display. To find things fast you'd need a bigger screen. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? Their gear seems to be a mixture of bought in basics and home grown interfaces. So if you can get the information on the bought in stuff it might be possible. I've not looked inside it yet. It will re-format a drive, though. -- *If one synchronized swimmer drowns, do the rest have to drown too? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. There are three levels of compression (128/192/320 KB) available, I gather - so there would be the opportunity to store a lot more albums than that...?? It would seem so. Trying my most difficult one - solo piano - I just settled on the maximum. I won't need *that* many in it anyway - the filing system isn't of the best. Or probably just the display. To find things fast you'd need a bigger screen. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? Their gear seems to be a mixture of bought in basics and home grown interfaces. So if you can get the information on the bought in stuff it might be possible. I've not looked inside it yet. It will re-format a drive, though. Having bought an AS '3 piece suite' (from Argos) out of curiosity: DAB - highly recommendable, has a headphone socket with volume control which means you can use it *standalone* with 'phones (playing as I type)... Amplifier - fairly weedy power, but useful with a line-level output which means it can serve as a handy switcher to a single input amp (valve?) or it can be cut into the chain before the main amp and used as an headphone amp (now sold to someone who is doing just that)! CD/MP3 player - slightly less recommendable IMO, but fine sonically - can get confused with too much skipping about though, as I said earlier... .....I would say the brand is a curious one with some interesting facilities not often found on much more expensive kit (output level matching on the jukebox being a good example) but cheap, sold in department stores and pitched generally at kids? (Karaoke, Home Cinema and DJ'ing &c.?) Anyway, some interesting comments on the jukebox he http://www.digitalhomemag.com/review...bsectionid=938 |
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Keith G wrote: DAB - highly recommendable, has a headphone socket with volume control which means you can use it *standalone* with 'phones (playing as I type)... I have the DAB/FM tuner bought off Ebay secondhand. I've modified it to route the Quad AM3 thought it - to raise the level to 'normal' and to switch the power to it when not in use as the valves don't last forever. So if the A/S is powered down (with the amp supply on) the Quad is powered up and routed to the same outputs - saves on amp inputs. I'd say it's very well made and decent value for money. Incidentally on the DAB thing I'm well impressed with the DAB car radio. Drove from S London to Lincoln and back with it rock solid the whole way listening to R4 and R7 - and crisp and clear unlike FM under the same sort of conditions. It even seems to hang on longer going through tunnels. -- *If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 23 Apr, 12:41, "Keith G" wrote:
"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message oups.com... On 23 Apr, 00:12, "Dave Plowman (News)" wrote: In article , Keith G wrote: There seems to be a glut of Acoustic Solutions CD 'Jukeboxes' on Ebay at the minute - it's a CD Player with an internal HD that you can rip CDs to. Don't think it can be used to record anything else, though. They seem to go for well under 100 quid new. Most of those have only a 40 Gig HDD - there is an 80 Gig version available: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...sspagename=STR... Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. There are three levels of compression (128/192/320 KB) available, I gather - so there would be the opportunity to store a lot more albums than that...?? Sounds like an MP3 Sylee compression in that 128Kb will fir 10 times as much onto the disk. Ergo 1360 CDs at what is probably an abominable compression ratio. Sounds like the best bet would be to go for the 320Kb to reduce the chance of artefacts. so more like 600-700 CDs. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? Always a problem with HDD based consumer devices is what format etc is the disk. Might have to have a play....... Doc |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , Keith G wrote: DAB - highly recommendable, has a headphone socket with volume control which means you can use it *standalone* with 'phones (playing as I type)... I have the DAB/FM tuner bought off Ebay secondhand. I've modified it to route the Quad AM3 thought it - to raise the level to 'normal' and to switch the power to it when not in use as the valves don't last forever. So if the A/S is powered down (with the amp supply on) the Quad is powered up and routed to the same outputs - saves on amp inputs. I'd say it's very well made and decent value for money. Incidentally on the DAB thing I'm well impressed with the DAB car radio. Drove from S London to Lincoln and back with it rock solid the whole way listening to R4 and R7 - and crisp and clear unlike FM under the same sort of conditions. It even seems to hang on longer going through tunnels. Glad you like the sound of DABble Dave;!.... -- Tony Sayer |
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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message ... In article , Keith G wrote: DAB - highly recommendable, has a headphone socket with volume control which means you can use it *standalone* with 'phones (playing as I type)... I have the DAB/FM tuner bought off Ebay secondhand. I've modified it to route the Quad AM3 thought it - to raise the level to 'normal' and to switch the power to it when not in use as the valves don't last forever. So if the A/S is powered down (with the amp supply on) the Quad is powered up and routed to the same outputs - saves on amp inputs. I'd say it's very well made and decent value for money. Agree entirely - especially as the Pure Evoke (??) 'separate' was the greater part of 300 nicker, last time I looked... Incidentally on the DAB thing I'm well impressed with the DAB car radio. Drove from S London to Lincoln and back with it rock solid the whole way listening to R4 and R7 - and crisp and clear unlike FM under the same sort of conditions. It even seems to hang on longer going through tunnels. FM on my cheap JVC car radio is quite excellent, I am delighted/relieved to say! |
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"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote Sounds like an MP3 Sylee compression in that 128Kb will fir 10 times as much onto the disk. Ergo 1360 CDs at what is probably an abominable compression ratio. Sounds like the best bet would be to go for the 320Kb to reduce the chance of artefacts. so more like 600-700 CDs. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? Always a problem with HDD based consumer devices is what format etc is the disk. Might have to have a play....... Do let us know how it goes if you do... |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: Incidentally on the DAB thing I'm well impressed with the DAB car radio. Drove from S London to Lincoln and back with it rock solid the whole way listening to R4 and R7 - and crisp and clear unlike FM under the same sort of conditions. It even seems to hang on longer going through tunnels. Glad you like the sound of DABble Dave;!.... If that's what it sounds like to you - you need to get a decent aerial. ;-) And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. FWIW, the more criticism I hear about current DAB the more I wonder about those making it (mainly Mr DAB sounds worse than anything). The differences between it and FM are fairly subtle on the things I listen to whereas multipath and the effects of a decoder trying to get a decent sig to noise on a car setup are anything but. I note also that Mr Lesurf doesn't seem to find it quite as horrendous as many here claim. ;-) -- *Can fat people go skinny-dipping? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Keith G wrote: Yup - I bought an 80 gig one for 80 quid recently. It's pretty good for that price. Not sure it would be at the RRP, though. Since it uses a computer CD drive it's a bit noisier than an audio CD. But if you want a fairly basic stand alone jukebox system it's ok. But it won't play MP3 CDs. Nor does it say anywhere just how many CDs it will store. Mmmm 80gb * 1024 = 81,920Mb If you take an 'average' CD of 600 Mb then that's just over 136 CDs for WAV (which I'm presuming it is) files. There are three levels of compression (128/192/320 KB) available, I gather - so there would be the opportunity to store a lot more albums than that...?? It would seem so. Trying my most difficult one - solo piano - I just settled on the maximum. I won't need *that* many in it anyway - the filing system isn't of the best. Or probably just the display. To find things fast you'd need a bigger screen. I'd find that a drawback. I'm on the cusp of getting rid of all my CDs - I don't think I've played one for over a year. I just rip them to a computer wired up to the hifi/telly. For £80 i'd be tempted to rip the lid of and try and cram something HUGE in there. Yes, if it would recognise a 500 Gig disk and *could handle* that many files it would be an awsome resource for not a lot of money, Indeed - I'd give it a whirl ... but the matching Acoustic Solutions CD player (which is perfectly OK sonically) can get confused with large numbers of MP3s on a CDRW, I believe. I recall that the one I have here will start to miss off a few seconds of each of the tracks, if it is subjected to a lot of button-pressing and skipping about on the remote...?? .... even if these things fall over a little on the software side IME. Their gear seems to be a mixture of bought in basics and home grown interfaces. So if you can get the information on the bought in stuff it might be possible. I've not looked inside it yet. It will re-format a drive, though. If you find out if they can take bigger HDs, and the file system, it'd be interesting. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Incidentally on the DAB thing I'm well impressed with the DAB car radio. Drove from S London to Lincoln and back with it rock solid the whole way listening to R4 and R7 - and crisp and clear unlike FM under the same sort of conditions. It even seems to hang on longer going through tunnels. Glad you like the sound of DABble Dave;!.... If that's what it sounds like to you - you need to get a decent aerial. ;-) Got plenty of those!.. And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. Funny but both our cars sound fine!.. FWIW, the more criticism I hear about current DAB the more I wonder about those making it (mainly Mr DAB sounds worse than anything). Standards are lowering all the time.. The differences between it and FM are fairly subtle on the things I listen to whereas multipath and the effects of a decoder trying to get a decent sig to noise on a car setup are anything but. Not everybody lives in the wrong bit of London;!.. I note also that Mr Lesurf doesn't seem to find it quite as horrendous as many here claim. ;-) Age related? ;).... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. Funny but both our cars sound fine!.. I wonder if they would do round my test route... -- Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , tony sayer wrote: And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. Funny but both our cars sound fine!.. I wonder if they would do round my test route... Which is where exactly?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. Funny but both our cars sound fine!.. I wonder if they would do round my test route... Which is where exactly?.. Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. But since you were rude about my hearing it's possible you're not listening for the same things...;-) -- *Change is inevitable ... except from vending machines * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: And in the car it sounds far better than the splashy sibilants I got on both the previous radio and the posh one in the other car, much of the time. Nuances like sound stage ain't quite so important. Funny but both our cars sound fine!.. I wonder if they would do round my test route... Which is where exactly?.. Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. But since you were rude about my hearing it's possible you're not listening for the same things...;-) Rude moi?, if I was being rude I'd use a totally different choice of words;).... -- Tony Sayer |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. -- *Verbs HAS to agree with their subjects * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Dave Plowman (News)
writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. -- Tony Sayer |
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On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
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In article ,
tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. Of course - hence the comment above about tuning to Wrotham. -- *If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article ,
Don Pearce wrote: I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Phew. And I thought I was on my own... -- *A journey of a thousand sites begins with a single click * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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In article , Don Pearce
writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. Give them time;!..... DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Like Mono?.. d -- Tony Sayer |
Simple systems with a HDD
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps. I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. Give them time;!..... DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Like Mono?.. Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo in the car anyway. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
Simple systems with a HDD
In article , Don Pearce
writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps. Apparently thats not supposed to happen. I'll see if I can remember where it is, its on line somewhere!... I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. Give them time;!..... DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Like Mono?.. Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo in the car anyway. Blimey!, What stations do you listen to then?.. d -- Tony Sayer |
Simple systems with a HDD
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:36:29 +0100, tony sayer
wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps. Apparently thats not supposed to happen. I'll see if I can remember where it is, its on line somewhere!... I'll be interested... I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. Give them time;!..... DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Like Mono?.. Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo in the car anyway. Blimey!, What stations do you listen to then?.. Around London? Any of 'em. The signal is entirely Rayleigh - there is only multipath at street level. That means that while you are driving the signal is rarely big enough for long enough to fire up the stereo demux properly. In the absence of a huge DSP that can decompose Eigenvectors, COFDM is about the best you can do to overcome this. d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
Simple systems with a HDD
tony sayer writes:
There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. It's here -- "THE CRYSTAL PALACE FM FILLER EXPERIMENT" (great title for a sci-fi horror film, that): http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1996-06.pdf -- Adam Sampson http://offog.org/ |
Simple systems with a HDD
On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 15:29:16 +0100, Adam Sampson
wrote: tony sayer writes: There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. It's here -- "THE CRYSTAL PALACE FM FILLER EXPERIMENT" (great title for a sci-fi horror film, that): http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rd/pubs/reports/1996-06.pdf Ah, that was clever. The offset is 304kHz, which is 16 times the stereo beacon frequency so the sidebands intermesh and mutual interference is minimal. It is a little like the concept behind the 4.433MHz colour subcarrier and its relationship with the luminance signal in TV. I said COFDM was the best answer, didn't I? And this is exactly that, only using analogue signals (just drop the C bit). d -- Pearce Consulting http://www.pearce.uk.com |
Simple systems with a HDD
In article , Don Pearce
writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 13:36:29 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 11:54:26 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Don Pearce writes On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 10:21:49 +0100, tony sayer wrote: In article , Dave Plowman (News) writes In article , tony sayer wrote: Just local roads round Balham and area. One place I go for a coffee has I'd say pretty high RF levels and that's a good test for the receiver distortion. It's fairly close to CP - but tuning into Wrotham doesn't cure the distortion. All using R4. Distortion on speech is easier to assess than on most music. I've got to go and collect a transmitter from Croydon before long I'll have a wander round that area.. Right. Stop for a coffee at the cafe at the top of Streatham common - easy parking there. See what R4 FM sounds like. I must say I've not tried the new radio there yet, but all the others sound pretty horrid. Noted.... Don't you use the CP relay the one offset from Wrotham?.. What are the frequencies of the various relays around here (London). In theory for Radio 4, my best signal should be 93.5 but most of the time I seem to be getting a much more solid signal below that - can't remember what, but maybe 93.0. There is a system where crystal place relays Wrotham with something like a 384 odd kHz offset there is a BBC engineering paper on it somewhere!.. Really? I guess that just manifests itself as a frequency error in my car radio then, it only manages 50kHz steps. Apparently thats not supposed to happen. I'll see if I can remember where it is, its on line somewhere!... I'll be interested... See its been found:) I have to agree with Dave, though that driving around London FM is in a constant state of swooshing, with frequent interruptions in the Hip Hop mode. Give them time;!..... DAB, on the other hand, is rock solid - and by virtue of having half the wavelength of FM, penetrates tunnels much further.. I know that it has some fundamental quality limitations but they are inconsequential in a car. Like Mono?.. Can't say I'm bothered in the car. FM is more often mono than stereo in the car anyway. Blimey!, What stations do you listen to then?.. Around London? Any of 'em. The signal is entirely Rayleigh - there is only multipath at street level. That means that while you are driving the signal is rarely big enough for long enough to fire up the stereo demux properly. In the absence of a huge DSP that can decompose Eigenvectors, COFDM is about the best you can do to overcome this. d Bad as that eh?, long time since I've been down that way... -- Tony Sayer |
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