"RdM" wrote in message
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"Serge Auckland" in
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The message may actually be getting through to the public:- The Daily
Mail a
few days ago ran an article about this very topic, how excessive
processing
was destroying music in favour of a loud, processed pap. They also
made the
point that it's creeping into classical music, not just chart stuff.
The
article was written in the Mail's usual "isn't it awful" style, but
at least
one mass-circulation paper though it worth-while to bring this to the
public's attention.

S

I was interested enough to glance at the dailymail.co.uk site but
couldn't
find it. Just by coincidence, I came across this yesterday; perhaps a
backlash
against heavily processed sound has (perversely;-?) driven a vinyl
resurgence?

http://www.musicangle.com/shownews.php?id=104

"David Hayes of the Ontario Institute for Studies in Education at the
University of Toronto says the growing popularity of vinyl might be a
form of
resistance against the music industry's corporate taste-makers."

"In yet another turnaround, teens overwhelmingly insisted the sound
quality of
LPs was superior to that of modern formats. They characterized LPs and
the LP
artists of the past as more authentic than the barrage of
youth-oriented music
being aggressively marketed to them today."


You can't kid kids and dogs....

;-)

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http://www.musicangle.com/shownews.php?id=104

"David Hayes of the Ontario Institute for Studies in
Education at the University of Toronto says the growing
popularity of vinyl might be a form of resistance against
the music industry's corporate taste-makers."

The growing popularity of vinyl has been a myth om the US for at least 6
months, now that CD players for DJs that simulate scratching have come down
in price.

"Arny Krueger" opined in
uk.rec.audiowJidneLkob8wKfPbnZ2dnUVZ_sapnZ2d@comc ast.com:

"RdM" wrote in message


http://www.musicangle.com/shownews.php?id=104

"David Hayes of the Ontario Institute for Studies in
Education at the University of Toronto says the growing
popularity of vinyl might be a form of resistance against
the music industry's corporate taste-makers."

NB that the article I linked is nearly 14mths old. Itself sourced, as below...

The growing popularity of vinyl has been a myth om the US for at least 6
months, now that CD players for DJs that simulate scratching have come down
in price.

Interesting hypothesis, but I suspect merely that. Yes, a vector to consider.

The two source links comments may make interesting reading, especially the
second, from digg.com, and one applies even to your DJ CD scratching decks.
( a comment that they are annoying when they skip - maybe not so different!)
(I have a friend who has one, along with mixing amp monitors & turntables too)

For those too lazy to cut&paste from my earlier lazy link, given for the site,
which I'd just stumbled across and browsed, in the hope that some may enjoy;
( i.e. for such gems as Zen and the Art of Record Cleaning Made Difficult;=})
( http://www.musicangle.com/feat.php?id=54 ) and other features from there)

these were the source references given:

http://www.physorg.com/news64807495.html
http://www.digg.com/tech_news/Teens_...uperior_to_CDs

The context of this tangential sub-thread; was revulsion to dynamic
compression ... I'm noting a rediscovery of even limited vinyl in response.

Merely. Notwithstanding any drop in price for DJ CD decks. No argument.

And even now, here is a US site going online selling vinyl & DVD-A ... why?

http://www.warnerreprise.com/artist_.../bsm-email.htm

Money is part of it of, course, if not almost all ... meeting another market.

Yes, it's a myth ...

Personally, I'm not interested in their touted offerings, and I'm not even
advocating vinyl - and I have suberb shop selections of it where I live anyway
- I include it as one of my sources though, with affection despite its faults!

Just a conversational note or three ... ;=})

--
Ross Matheson
Auckland, New Zealand

In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days saying how
DAB is so much better than FM!

Why? It can be better or worse.

--
*Income tax service - We‘ve got what it takes to take what you've got.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days saying how
DAB is so much better than FM!

Why? It can be better or worse.


I see DAB as having an element of 'the emperors new clothes'.
e.g. I had a Citroen Picasso and on the forum it was accepted that the stock
speakers where dire but the std radio/cd was quite good so all you needed to
do was fit new door speakers to improve it greatly. Someone said they hadn't
changed the speakers yet but had put in DAB radio/cd player, the next poster
said "wow, that must sound fantastic"...........

I was in Argos last week and noticed a display of lcd tvs and HDtv, they
where showing a dvd with what looked from across the room pretty good
pictures, I went over and you could then see it's a hddvd demo playing but
connected to the tv's using a single phono composite video feed, vertical
lines had the 'dot clock' running up them, yet people where standing next to
me saying " look how clear that is! we'll have to get an hd tv soon"

Pete

In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days
saying how DAB is so much better than FM!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Why? It can be better or worse.

I thought as implemented in the uk it was definitely worse?

"jasee" wrote in message
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In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days
saying how DAB is so much better than FM!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Why? It can be better or worse.

I thought as implemented in the uk it was definitely worse?


Yes and no - tbh, I prefer Classic FM on, er, DAB....

:-)

"Keith G" wrote in message
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"jasee" wrote in message
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In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days
saying how DAB is so much better than FM!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Why? It can be better or worse.

I thought as implemented in the uk it was definitely worse?


Yes and no - tbh, I prefer Classic FM on, er, DAB....

:-)

Possibly because it's not as heavily processed, and using a more modern
processor. That probably outweighs the low bit rate.

S.

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"Keith G" wrote in message
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"jasee" wrote in message
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In article ,
Pete Cross wrote:
I find it increasingly dissapointing to hear people these days
saying how DAB is so much better than FM!

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Why? It can be better or worse.

I thought as implemented in the uk it was definitely worse?


Yes and no - tbh, I prefer Classic FM on, er, DAB....

:-)

Possibly because it's not as heavily processed, and using a more
modern processor. That probably outweighs the low bit rate.


Yes. Classic FM on FM is far too noisy (roaring noises like wind in a
mic) on the TLS80s - not so bad on the horns which have more sense than
trying to reproduce the *LF slurry* present in most signals!! ;-)