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Dumbya Dawg writes

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:26:57 +0200, "Mogens V."
wrote:

Of cause not. However, I fail to see how the fixed room can
provide
what's not present in a 2D stereo recording.

But, somehow, you CAN get 3D from 2-channel playback. It's
non-intuitive, and easy to argue against. But it happens.

Rather like the infinite resolution of analogue versus the
quantised
resolution of digital :-)

Tell you what. Put Madonna's Immaculate Collection on and if
you don't hear 3d from your stereo with that overdone example
of a recording your system is being drown out by the acoustics
of your room.

No matter how much you spend on equipment you will never hear
the detail that is in the recordings if your room is not
acoustically optimized. It amazes me how people will spend
thousands on cables and new tubes and then wonder why they
cant hear anything different.


Possibly they don't know anything about how to do so?..

Like putting Channel
#5 on a pig
and wondering why all you can smell is pig in the morning.

Chanel 5 mon ami


peace
dawg



--
Tony Sayer

tony sayer wrote:
In article et, Deputy
Dumbya Dawg writes

"Laurence Payne" lpayne1NOSPAM@dslDOTpipexDOTcom wrote in
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:26:57 +0200, "Mogens V."
wrote:


Of cause not. However, I fail to see how the fixed room can
provide
what's not present in a 2D stereo recording.

But, somehow, you CAN get 3D from 2-channel playback. It's
non-intuitive, and easy to argue against. But it happens.

Rather like the infinite resolution of analogue versus the
quantised
resolution of digital :-)

Tell you what. Put Madonna's Immaculate Collection on and if
you don't hear 3d from your stereo with that overdone example
of a recording your system is being drown out by the acoustics
of your room.

No matter how much you spend on equipment you will never hear
the detail that is in the recordings if your room is not
acoustically optimized. It amazes me how people will spend
thousands on cables and new tubes and then wonder why they
cant hear anything different.

Possibly they don't know anything about how to do so?..

That, and that a sound treated room doesn't look like a normal living
room, plus furnitures gets arranged according to indoor decoration
rules, leaving those speakers to look nicer and unobtrusive halfways
hidden next to some bookshelf.
Yes, I'm aware nice looking materials do exist; still...

--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.

No matter how much you spend on equipment you will never hear
the detail that is in the recordings if your room is not
acoustically optimized. It amazes me how people will spend
thousands on cables and new tubes and then wonder why they
cant hear anything different.

Possibly they don't know anything about how to do so?..

That, and that a sound treated room doesn't look like a normal living
room, plus furnitures gets arranged according to indoor decoration
rules, leaving those speakers to look nicer and unobtrusive halfways
hidden next to some bookshelf.
Yes, I'm aware nice looking materials do exist; still...


Come to that any websites advising on the subject?....
--
Tony Sayer

On Jul 5, 4:36 pm, wrote:
Has anybody tried using a studio reverb unit, or other processors,
with a hi-fi system?


Yes. It turns the hi-fi into my-fi.

tony sayer wrote:
No matter how much you spend on equipment you will never hear
the detail that is in the recordings if your room is not
acoustically optimized. It amazes me how people will spend
thousands on cables and new tubes and then wonder why they
cant hear anything different.

Possibly they don't know anything about how to do so?..

That, and that a sound treated room doesn't look like a normal living
room, plus furnitures gets arranged according to indoor decoration
rules, leaving those speakers to look nicer and unobtrusive halfways
hidden next to some bookshelf.
Yes, I'm aware nice looking materials do exist; still...



Come to that any websites advising on the subject?....

Surely quite a lot, like these ones:
http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html
http://www.realtraps.com/
http://www.whealy.com/drumming/Soundproofing/index.html
http://www.rivesaudio.com/
http://www.soundproofing.org/sales/GreenGlue.htm
http://www.hometheatershack.com/roomeq/
http://www.ymec.com/products/rade/

Not really links to materials, but search for what's mentioned.
Sometimes just pics of how it's been done can be helpful.

--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.

No matter how much you spend on equipment, you will
never hear the detail that is in the recordings if your room
is not acoustically optimized.

This is a misleading statement -- its opposite (or contrapositive) is not
true -- good room acoustics do not guarantee the audibility of detail if the
electronics and speakers don't deliver it. Ideally, you want both good (that
is, appropriate for playback) acoustics, and good equipment.

William Sommerwerck wrote:
No matter how much you spend on equipment, you will
never hear the detail that is in the recordings if your room
is not acoustically optimized.


This is a misleading statement -- its opposite (or contrapositive) is not
true -- good room acoustics do not guarantee the audibility of detail if the
electronics and speakers don't deliver it. Ideally, you want both good (that
is, appropriate for playback) acoustics, and good equipment.

Well, he has a point, despite some choise of phrasings...
'won't hear _all_ detail' and 'acoustically treated' would be better.

If rooms would have to be fully optimized, not many private homes would
have a decent musical experience. I agree that large expenditure on
equipment may be a halfways waste in a less than adequate room, but even
so, it will help - it's just the wrong way around, of cause.


Many years ago I was totally broke and couldn't afford good gear.
All I had was a Kodak Photo CD player into an Aiwa gettoblaster with
somewhat decent amplifier, provided modest listening levels.

I was working in a shop building amps, speakers and lights for band
rental, and grapped hi quality filter components and a set of Wifa
trebles for my set of seemingly crappy Philips speakers with 6½" drivers
and slaves. I modified the drivers/slaves spider suspension, treated the
paper cones against breakups and reinforced the boxes. Put the whole
setup up on mic stands to get it off floor coupling.
The room was quite good with a large carpet and bookshelves to partially
break refelctions. A bass problem in a corner was solved with a large
foam matress wrapped in thick velvet cloth behind a bookshelve.

We had a bunch of hifi freaks in'n'out of the shop. One of them paid me
a visit and was all open mouth in shock over the sound quality from such
crappy gear.
Once I got my used Hieraga class A amp copy, things changed incredibly.

This is of cause nothing but a totally irrelevant (high end wise) story,
but still serves to point out the importance of even just very modest
room treatment and especially decent (modified) speakers.

--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
No matter how much you spend on equipment you will never
hear
the detail that is in the recordings if your room is not
acoustically optimized. It amazes me how people will spend
thousands on cables and new tubes and then wonder why they
cant hear anything different.

Possibly they don't know anything about how to do so?..

That, and that a sound treated room doesn't look like a
normal living
room, plus furnitures gets arranged according to indoor
decoration
rules, leaving those speakers to look nicer and unobtrusive
halfways
hidden next to some bookshelf.
Yes, I'm aware nice looking materials do exist; still...


Come to that any websites advising on the subject?....
--
Tony Sayer

http://www.recording.org/forum-34.html
http://forum.studiotips.com/index.php

peace
dawg

"William Sommerwerck" wrote in
message . ..
No matter how much you spend on equipment, you will
never hear the detail that is in the recordings if your
room
is not acoustically optimized.

This is a misleading statement -- its opposite (or
contrapositive) is not
true -- good room acoustics do not guarantee the audibility
of detail if the
electronics and speakers don't deliver it. Ideally, you want
both good (that
is, appropriate for playback) acoustics, and good equipment.

But no matter how good the equipment and recording techniques,
the program in recordings will be masked by room issues if the
equipment is listened to in an untreated room. Guaranteed.

peace
dawg

But no matter how good the equipment and recording techniques,
the program in recordings will be masked by room issues if the
equipment is listened to in an untreated room. Guaranteed.

You're overstating the case. "Masked by" -- without qualification -- implies
it isn't audible at all. Which is not true. It's rather that the better the
setup (including treatment), the more one can hear what the recording
"really" sounds like.