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Keith G September 16th 07 08:24 PM

But can *you* believe?
 

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things down a
bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*





Ian Iveson September 19th 07 01:28 AM

But can *you* believe?
 
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone
things down a bit' and my current line of internet
research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*


They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of
consumerism. I see they are cutting back production, again.

Ian



Keith G September 19th 07 10:48 AM

But can *you* believe?
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things down
a bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*


They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of consumerism. I see
they are cutting back production, again.



Not surprised - I would have thought all that gay **** in ads like the
above clip would have put off as many (or more) people than it
attracted...??





Don Pearce September 19th 07 11:23 AM

But can *you* believe?
 
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:48:35 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
. uk...
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things down
a bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*


They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of consumerism. I see
they are cutting back production, again.



Not surprised - I would have thought all that gay **** in ads like the
above clip would have put off as many (or more) people than it
attracted...??

I think they have the market pretty much spot on. Certainly here in
the UK Harleys and the like (Gold Wings etc) seem to be pretty much
the preserve of hairdressers named Hilary and their mates with
slightly oversized moustaches.

Mind you, that ad is almost puke-inducingly American - you would need
to be credulous in the extreme not to be howling with laughter by the
end.

d

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Rob September 19th 07 04:50 PM

But can *you* believe?
 
Keith G wrote:
"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things down
a bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*

They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of consumerism. I see
they are cutting back production, again.



Not surprised - I would have thought all that gay **** in ads like the
above clip would have put off as many (or more) people than it
attracted...??


You seen the 'Pistachio' episode of Lead Balloon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/leadballoon/episodes.shtml

V. amusing take on Harley ownership :-)

Rob

Andre Jute September 19th 07 09:44 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Sep 18, 6:28 pm, "Ian Iveson"
wrote:
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone
things down a bit' and my current line of internet
research led me to this :


http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C.../Creed_Video.j...


How could I *not* share?


*boggle*


They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of
consumerism. I see they are cutting back production, again.

Ian


I hadn't suspected you of being such an instinctively smart marketer,
Ian.

Soichiro Honda decided, when he was a Japanese tadpole of a
manufacturer, that the only way he could establish his motorcycles was
to race creditably at the Tourist Trophy, the toughest motorbike race
in the world. Honda has never deviated from that decision for a
moment, merely extending it to many other forms of racing. You cannot
begin to imagine how expensive a decision it was, and remains, and how
brave. But it tell you everything you want to know about Honda cycles,
even the Gold Wings (which I admire when they hold their annual bash
in my town).

Harley-Davidson by contrast, has lost its way; it has become a fashion
accessory rather than a motorcycle, a "luxury" item where the brand
name and the price is more important than the engineering. Yech!


Dave Plowman (News) September 19th 07 11:13 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:
Harley-Davidson by contrast, has lost its way; it has become a fashion
accessory rather than a motorcycle, a "luxury" item where the brand
name and the price is more important than the engineering. Yech!


I was filming in a rather posh penthouse flat last week - on the Thames
with views of Big Ben. And there was a brand new Harley in there. Never
been driven - or likely to be. Cost 3 grand to get it up there, I'm told.
Dunno if the owner had another for driving, though.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G September 20th 07 12:39 AM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:
Harley-Davidson by contrast, has lost its way; it has become a
fashion
accessory rather than a motorcycle, a "luxury" item where the brand
name and the price is more important than the engineering. Yech!



The bike became a 'luxury' item in the US the day a Model T Ford car was
available cheaper than a Harrlee....

Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD bikes and
expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people prefer 'old technology' done
well and with style to modern technology done bland....



I was filming in a rather posh penthouse flat last week - on the
Thames
with views of Big Ben. And there was a brand new Harley in there.
Never
been driven - or likely to be. Cost 3 grand to get it up there, I'm
told.
Dunno if the owner had another for driving, though.



A Harrlee in your flat is a lot safer bet than a Steinway - nobody's
going to put you on the spot and ask you to ride it, are they??

(Takes up less space and a lot cheaper too....)





Keith G September 20th 07 12:46 AM

But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 19 Sep 2007 11:48:35 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
.uk...
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things
down
a bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this :

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*

They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of consumerism. I see
they are cutting back production, again.



Not surprised - I would have thought all that gay **** in ads like the
above clip would have put off as many (or more) people than it
attracted...??

I think they have the market pretty much spot on. Certainly here in
the UK Harleys and the like (Gold Wings etc) seem to be pretty much
the preserve of hairdressers named Hilary and their mates with
slightly oversized moustaches.



I think the market is opening up a bit these days and Harleys are very
popular with SKIers, apparently...



Mind you, that ad is almost puke-inducingly American - you would need
to be credulous in the extreme not to be howling with laughter by the
end.



True for any Yank ad of that length, I think you'll find....




Keith G September 20th 07 12:49 AM

But can *you* believe?
 

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Keith G wrote:
"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
k...
Keith G wrote

Recent events have had me wondering if it's time to 'tone things
down a bit' and my current line of internet research led me to this
:

http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/C...uiser_expcreed


How could I *not* share?

*boggle*
They pay regularly for being at the fluffy end of consumerism. I see
they are cutting back production, again.



Not surprised - I would have thought all that gay **** in ads like
the above clip would have put off as many (or more) people than it
attracted...??


You seen the 'Pistachio' episode of Lead Balloon:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/leadballoon/episodes.shtml

V. amusing take on Harley ownership :-)




Never heard of it - I only watch the News, Shaun The Sheep and various
recorded 'arts' programmes....





Ian Iveson September 20th 07 03:16 AM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD
bikes and expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people
prefer 'old technology' done well and with style to modern
technology done bland....


Style? You're kidding, of course.

Harley style has been entirely self-referenced since the 45
and the KR.

The 45:

http://www.dl45homepage.com/rl45contents.html

is not only a style icon but was the best machine over two
decades
for doing this:

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/1198...25701430hcqZqg

but would be no good towing a trailer tent these days.

The drop-dead gorgeous KR:

http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/classics/bike.asp?id=63

was never a road bike and as a racer was thrashed by Triumph
and then Yamaha parallel twins.

In spite of this total loss of genuine function, the brand
is reported to be hugely valuable.

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06.../source/45.htm

Is that what you call style? The modern Sportster is a
travesty and a laughing stock, IMO.

Now it's the kind of business that depends on stupid money,
which is presently under pressure from stupid mortgages and
a shake-out of stupid fat dull over-paid middle-ranking
executives.

And the American Dream has moved on from Route 66 to cheap
sex
tourism in Central America and the Far East.

Ian



Dave Plowman (News) September 20th 07 07:53 AM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD bikes and
expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people prefer 'old technology' done
well and with style to modern technology done bland....


Hmm. As you've probably gathered I like old cars too. And bikes, although
I don't own one. But don't fool myself that the performance is in any way
comparable to modern ones.

--
*INDECISION is the key to FLEXIBILITY *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Keith G September 20th 07 09:06 AM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD bikes and
expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people prefer 'old technology'
done
well and with style to modern technology done bland....


Hmm. As you've probably gathered I like old cars too. And bikes,
although
I don't own one. But don't fool myself that the performance is in any
way
comparable to modern ones.



Depends on your performance requirements, doesn't it?

Modern, 'plastic fantastic' *anything* doesn't really do it for a lot of
people and many others (me included) are perfectly capable of mixing the
'old and the new' to best effect, according to the particular
requirements in a given situation....



Keith G September 20th 07 09:06 AM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Ian Iveson" wrote in message
.uk...
Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD bikes and
expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people prefer 'old technology'
done well and with style to modern technology done bland....


Style? You're kidding, of course.



No I'm not. But then, I wasn't referring only to motorcycles....


snip Harrrleee rant


Now it's the kind of business that depends on stupid money,
which is presently under pressure from stupid mortgages and
a shake-out of stupid fat dull over-paid middle-ranking
executives.



I think reports of HD's imminent demise are a little prematu

http://www.crossingwallstreet.com/ar..._in_china.html



And the American Dream has moved on from Route 66 to cheap sex
tourism in Central America and the Far East.



Let's keep Arny out of this....





Keith G September 20th 07 01:45 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Personally, I think there's a perfect parallel between HD bikes and
expensive, glitzy valve amps - some people prefer 'old technology'
done
well and with style to modern technology done bland....


Hmm. As you've probably gathered I like old cars too. And bikes,
although
I don't own one. But don't fool myself that the performance is in any
way
comparable to modern ones.



Depends on your performance requirements, doesn't it?

Modern, 'plastic fantastic' *anything* doesn't really do it for a lot
of people and many others (me included) are perfectly capable of
mixing the 'old and the new' to best effect, according to the
particular requirements in a given situation....




Actually, as I'm still stuck waiting for deliveries (and it's ****ing
with rain anyway), I'll overcome my *reluctance to blog* and expand on
that a tad....

Having just binned my Jap 'Superbike' at very low speed (my own fault
for *pushing* too hard and being to close, but not caused by me - that
was thanks to some arse in an artic cutting across the roundabout), I am
seriously less than impressed at the damage that has been sustained by
the bike. It's like it went down like a sack of **** (as did I) and got
banged up in areas that frankly astound me - there are bits that touched
down that should never have made contact with the road! (Trust me, I
have some experience of this!!) There are some pix on my Show N Tell
page, if anyone is interested:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/show.htm


The bike obviously suffered from its own weight and it's got me
thinking - how TF can you pop a fork seal at sod-all mph, for instance??

So...

Yesterday afternoon I toddled over to see Tone the Clone with a view to
possibly *downsizing* and putting my biking into a new perspective. I
had a little sit on this one:

http://www.stneotsmotorcycles.com/in...details&id=315


:-)

Laugh all yew like, but when you sit on one these you *want* one! (I
suspect some of the fittings on this bike are directly interchangeable
with those on a Boeing 707!) But they really are magnificent and if I
lived in Arizona (?) I'd have one, but hardly downsizing so I then had a
little pootle on this one:

http://www.stneotsmotorcycles.com/in...details&id=303


.....as it *appears* to represent the best of both the old and new
worlds - being a modern take on a traditional theme and *should* be an
ideal.

Phuq mi - what a shock! Compared to my Soozie, the Triumph was really a
nasty little bit of kit! At a quick glance it looked a lot more like an
'Indian Enfield' than any real 'Bonnie' I ever saw! For a clue, compare
this pic:

http://www.triumph.co.uk/uk/785.aspx


- with, say, this one:

http://www.olsenart.com/bonneville.html


No comparison! (But, I suppose, not ruled out yet - depends how I feel
when my own bike is back here...)

Anyways, be it bikes, watches, cameras, mics, audio kit, cars, clothes,
shoes, tools and a whole lot of other things, to say that *new beats
old* simply because it's (supposedly) more reliable and better specced
(on paper) is to miss the point on *much* in life which is about stuff
like true quality, satisfaction and a deep pride of ownership. It may
well be different in the pro world where reliability is perhaps an
overriding concern, but as a *hobbyist*, I like to *enjoy* my kit and
mix and match as required with no qualms about blending new/old,
digital/analogue, valve/SS...!!??

OK, rant over...

Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


???

(Doesn't say 'not a resistor' or 'not a capacitor' so I'm stuffed!! :-)




Keith G September 20th 07 01:49 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Keith G" wrote


Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an
opportunity for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the
queer little blue thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to
be a blue 'pull out bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of
my mics:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG



******** - make that '100HZ-6bB'.....





Don Pearce September 20th 07 01:54 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:45:01 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


???

(Doesn't say 'not a resistor' or 'not a capacitor' so I'm stuffed!! :-)


I'm assuming that is a switch - doesn't it poke through the case? And
no doubt -6bB is a typo for -6dB. Could it be a low-cut filter? Try
pulling the blue bit out and see what happens. Or does it move
sideways? Doesn't look like it will, but you never know.

d




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Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G September 20th 07 02:03 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:45:01 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an
opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little
blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull
out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


???

(Doesn't say 'not a resistor' or 'not a capacitor' so I'm stuffed!!
:-)


I'm assuming that is a switch - doesn't it poke through the case?



Nope.


And
no doubt -6bB is a typo for -6dB.



I would have thought so!


Could it be a low-cut filter?


At 100 Hz?


Try
pulling the blue bit out and see what happens.



Bugger that...


Or does it move
sideways?



Bugger that also...


Doesn't look like it will, but you never know.


Looks like it!

(If no-one here knows, I'll have to file it under 'Gubbins' and let it
pass! :-)




Don Pearce September 20th 07 02:10 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:03:59 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 14:45:01 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an
opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little
blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull
out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


???

(Doesn't say 'not a resistor' or 'not a capacitor' so I'm stuffed!!
:-)


I'm assuming that is a switch - doesn't it poke through the case?



Nope.


And
no doubt -6bB is a typo for -6dB.



I would have thought so!


Could it be a low-cut filter?


At 100 Hz?


Yup - a very common feature of cardioid mics. It is a way of killing
some of the proximity effect.


Try
pulling the blue bit out and see what happens.



Bugger that...


Or does it move
sideways?



Bugger that also...


Doesn't look like it will, but you never know.


Looks like it!

(If no-one here knows, I'll have to file it under 'Gubbins' and let it
pass! :-)



ok

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G September 20th 07 02:18 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


Could it be a low-cut filter?


At 100 Hz?


Yup - a very common feature of cardioid mics. It is a way of killing
some of the proximity effect.




OK then - I'll put it down as summat along those lines for now.

There are no pad or filter switches on the mic, so there's nothing much
to be gained from tinkering with it at this stage - and risking damaging
the mic!

Thanks anyway!





Keith G September 20th 07 02:33 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Don Pearce" wrote


Could it be a low-cut filter?


At 100 Hz?


Yup - a very common feature of cardioid mics. It is a way of killing
some of the proximity effect.




OK then - I'll put it down as summat along those lines for now.

There are no pad or filter switches on the mic, so there's nothing
much to be gained from tinkering with it at this stage - and risking
damaging the mic!

Thanks anyway!



Aha! Found it!

http://www.cadmics.com/GXL2400.htm


It's a 'high pass' filter - which is the same thing isn't it?

Actually, it's this one in the dodgy windchime clips:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/WindchimeD.wav


(Maybe quite modestly specced, but dirt cheap - only about 45 quid each,
IIRC...??)




Don Pearce September 20th 07 02:36 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:33:04 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Could it be a low-cut filter?


At 100 Hz?


Yup - a very common feature of cardioid mics. It is a way of killing
some of the proximity effect.




OK then - I'll put it down as summat along those lines for now.

There are no pad or filter switches on the mic, so there's nothing
much to be gained from tinkering with it at this stage - and risking
damaging the mic!

Thanks anyway!



Aha! Found it!

http://www.cadmics.com/GXL2400.htm


It's a 'high pass' filter - which is the same thing isn't it?


Yup. But how are you supposed to get at it if it is inside the case?
Or is it supposed to be some sort of set-and-forget option?

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G September 20th 07 02:57 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:33:04 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:



Aha! Found it!

http://www.cadmics.com/GXL2400.htm


It's a 'high pass' filter - which is the same thing isn't it?


Yup. But how are you supposed to get at it if it is inside the case?
Or is it supposed to be some sort of set-and-forget option?



Well, if you didn't have *inquisitive fingers* you'd never find it it,
so I guess it's a 'leave it alone' option! (Perhaps the boards are a bit
'general purpose' and also turn up in microwave ovens or summat?)
Asitappens, the bottom of the mic screws off in less than 3 seconds and
the barrel just lifts away, but I won't tinker with it now in case it
goes *snick* and I end up with a little bit of busted blue plastic
between me and a fully-functioning mic!

Now, exposing yet more ignorance in public (as I am wont to do) - it is
fair to say that a dynamic mic works like a conventional speaker in
reverse and a 'condenser' mic works like an electrostatic speaker in
reverse...???




Don Pearce September 20th 07 03:09 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:57:07 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, exposing yet more ignorance in public (as I am wont to do) - it is
fair to say that a dynamic mic works like a conventional speaker in
reverse and a 'condenser' mic works like an electrostatic speaker in
reverse...???


Zackly right. And in theory you can use either for either function.

The big difference between a mic and a speaker is the distance the
diaphragm is expected to move. Because of this, speakers tend to be
designed floppy. That means the main resonance is below the audible
range. Mics, on the other hand, can be stiff, so the resonance is
placed high by stretching the diaphragm. The exception in mics is the
ribbon, which uses a low resonance frequency like a speaker.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G September 20th 07 03:22 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:57:07 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, exposing yet more ignorance in public (as I am wont to do) - it
is
fair to say that a dynamic mic works like a conventional speaker in
reverse and a 'condenser' mic works like an electrostatic speaker in
reverse...???


Zackly right. And in theory you can use either for either function.


OK - I've certainly used headphones as a makeshift mic in the past.
Strange thing is, only one side of the phones seems to work, though!



The big difference between a mic and a speaker is the distance the
diaphragm is expected to move. Because of this, speakers tend to be
designed floppy. That means the main resonance is below the audible
range. Mics, on the other hand, can be stiff, so the resonance is
placed high by stretching the diaphragm. The exception in mics is the
ribbon, which uses a low resonance frequency like a speaker.



And being 'floppy' (ribbon itself) is presumably what makes it a bit
fragile?





Don Pearce September 20th 07 03:32 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:22:46 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:57:07 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:

Now, exposing yet more ignorance in public (as I am wont to do) - it
is
fair to say that a dynamic mic works like a conventional speaker in
reverse and a 'condenser' mic works like an electrostatic speaker in
reverse...???


Zackly right. And in theory you can use either for either function.


OK - I've certainly used headphones as a makeshift mic in the past.
Strange thing is, only one side of the phones seems to work, though!

Probably only one pole of the stereo plug made contact.


The big difference between a mic and a speaker is the distance the
diaphragm is expected to move. Because of this, speakers tend to be
designed floppy. That means the main resonance is below the audible
range. Mics, on the other hand, can be stiff, so the resonance is
placed high by stretching the diaphragm. The exception in mics is the
ribbon, which uses a low resonance frequency like a speaker.



And being 'floppy' (ribbon itself) is presumably what makes it a bit
fragile?



Yup. If you take away all the protective casing and gauze then breathe
on the ribbon, you will tear it straight out of the mic. It is much
thinner than the foil in a ciggy pack, for example.

d

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Keith G September 20th 07 03:37 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 16:22:46 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:57:07 +0100, "Keith G"

wrote:

Now, exposing yet more ignorance in public (as I am wont to do) - it
is
fair to say that a dynamic mic works like a conventional speaker in
reverse and a 'condenser' mic works like an electrostatic speaker in
reverse...???


Zackly right. And in theory you can use either for either function.


OK - I've certainly used headphones as a makeshift mic in the past.
Strange thing is, only one side of the phones seems to work, though!

Probably only one pole of the stereo plug made contact.



OK - stereo jack, mono socket kinda thing. Makes sense!




The big difference between a mic and a speaker is the distance the
diaphragm is expected to move. Because of this, speakers tend to be
designed floppy. That means the main resonance is below the audible
range. Mics, on the other hand, can be stiff, so the resonance is
placed high by stretching the diaphragm. The exception in mics is
the
ribbon, which uses a low resonance frequency like a speaker.



And being 'floppy' (ribbon itself) is presumably what makes it a bit
fragile?



Yup. If you take away all the protective casing and gauze then breathe
on the ribbon, you will tear it straight out of the mic. It is much
thinner than the foil in a ciggy pack, for example.



Interesting and scary at one and the same time!! :-)





Dave Plowman (News) September 20th 07 04:30 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


Heh heh - bB instead of dB on a circuit board?

It's a bass roll off or high pass filter if you prefer. Cardiods and
ribbons tip up the bass when used close.

Can also be used to reduce handling noise or even traffic if using
outdoors. Handling or even wind noise can cause the electronics to
overload, so rolling off the bass before the mic and amp electronics then
restoring it at a later point can be useful. A bit like an RIAA curve.

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Keith G September 20th 07 06:10 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Now, as a reward for struggling through all that, here's an
opportunity
for someone to make themselves look smart: What is the queer little
blue
thing labelled '100HX-6bB' [sic] with what looks to be a blue 'pull
out
bit' slap in the middle of this board from one of my mics:


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/QueerThing.JPG


Heh heh - bB instead of dB on a circuit board?



That sort of thing happens on stuff that is almost certainly sourced
from the Land Of The Noodle - it's a bit like a recording pro
mis-spelling the word 'cardioid'!



It's a bass roll off or high pass filter if you prefer. Cardiods and
ribbons tip up the bass when used close.



:-)



Can also be used to reduce handling noise or even traffic if using
outdoors. Handling or even wind noise can cause the electronics to
overload, so rolling off the bass before the mic and amp electronics
then
restoring it at a later point can be useful. A bit like an RIAA curve.



Interesting and, I suspect, pointing me toward some hitherto 'uncharted
territory' - namely, the weird and wonderful world of
'equalisation'...??

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Aug0...es/usingeq.asp





Dave Plowman (News) September 20th 07 10:55 PM

Honda's better way, was But can *you* believe?
 
In article ,
Keith G wrote:
Can also be used to reduce handling noise or even traffic if using
outdoors. Handling or even wind noise can cause the electronics to
overload, so rolling off the bass before the mic and amp electronics
then
restoring it at a later point can be useful. A bit like an RIAA curve.



Interesting and, I suspect, pointing me toward some hitherto 'uncharted
territory' - namely, the weird and wonderful world of
'equalisation'...??


Indeed. Most of the mics you listen to off radio or CD etc will have had
equalization applied.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.


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