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Malcolm H October 3rd 07 09:21 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks



Paul Heslop October 3rd 07 09:31 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232



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Malcolm H October 3rd 07 09:35 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232



--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)

Thank you for that Paul - very useful!



Don Pearce October 3rd 07 09:45 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232


Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G October 3rd 07 09:55 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Malcolm H" wrote in message
...
Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks



I bought the Argos Acoustic Solutions matching '3 piece suite'
(Amp/CD/DAB) to investigate them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...cSolutions.JPG


The amp is very well featured with 'digital everything' all controlled
by the one knob and it does have have headphone socket.

Plenty of information he

http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92







Malcolm H October 3rd 07 10:14 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232


Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The quotes it
this are correct aren't they?



Don Pearce October 3rd 07 10:16 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 10:14:11 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks

I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232


Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The quotes it
this are correct aren't they?


Yup, this one is fine.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Adrian A October 3rd 07 10:18 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Malcolm H wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions: 1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks

I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232


Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?


OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html



Don Pearce October 3rd 07 10:21 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:18:13 +0100, "Adrian A"
wrote:

Malcolm H wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions: 1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks

I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232

Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?


OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html


That is a fix for a different problem. Still necessary, though.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Malcolm H October 3rd 07 10:23 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Adrian A" wrote in message
om...
Malcolm H wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions: 1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks

I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232

Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and your
writings are appearing in your signature section. You may need to
re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?


OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html

Thanks for that. I did try to download it but my IE7 didn't like the web
site - refused to do the download!



Dr Hfuhruhurr October 3rd 07 10:53 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On 3 Oct, 10:55, "Keith G" wrote:
"Malcolm H" wrote in message

...

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions:


1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?


All comments will be read gratefully.


Thanks


I bought the Argos Acoustic Solutions matching '3 piece suite'
(Amp/CD/DAB) to investigate them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...cSolutions.JPG

The amp is very well featured with 'digital everything' all controlled
by the one knob and it does have have headphone socket.

Plenty of information he

http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Doc


kim October 3rd 07 11:43 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 11:18:13 +0100, "Adrian A"
wrote:

Malcolm H wrote:
"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 09:35:33 GMT, "Malcolm H"
wrote:


"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions: 1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.

Thanks

I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp
that mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of
what to expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and
has some positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232

Malcolm, do you think you could have a poke around your news reader
settings? Quoted text is coming out as being written by you, and
your writings are appearing in your signature section. You may
need to re-install the whole thing.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?


OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html


That is a fix for a different problem.


It also fixes the problem Malcolm is experiencing. I'm using it right now.

(kim)



Keith G October 3rd 07 11:47 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message
oups.com...
On 3 Oct, 10:55, "Keith G" wrote:
"Malcolm H" wrote in message

...

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions:


1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?


All comments will be read gratefully.


Thanks


I bought the Argos Acoustic Solutions matching '3 piece suite'
(Amp/CD/DAB) to investigate them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...cSolutions.JPG

The amp is very well featured with 'digital everything' all controlled
by the one knob and it does have have headphone socket.

Plenty of information he

http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.


Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort out!




Dr Hfuhruhurr October 3rd 07 11:57 AM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On 3 Oct, 12:47, "Keith G" wrote:
"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message

oups.com...
On 3 Oct, 10:55, "Keith G" wrote:





"Malcolm H" wrote in message


...


Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos -
questions:


1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?


All comments will be read gratefully.


Thanks


I bought the Argos Acoustic Solutions matching '3 piece suite'
(Amp/CD/DAB) to investigate them:


http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show...cSolutions.JPG


The amp is very well featured with 'digital everything' all controlled
by the one knob and it does have have headphone socket.


Plenty of information he


http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.

Doc


Keith G October 3rd 07 12:16 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?) simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....




Don Pearce October 3rd 07 12:21 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?) simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Dr Hfuhruhurr October 3rd 07 12:23 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On 3 Oct, 13:16, "Keith G" wrote:
"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote

Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.


Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.

Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?) simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....


Thats very interesting. Thanks for the detailed reply Keith.
I myself have a Liteon DVD/HDD doing the CD player MP3 stuff and I
really couldn't tell much difference (if any) over my Marantz. The
only reason I kept it was because it was a CD recorder which I
sometimes use when I dust down some old vinyl and decide I want it
'more readily available'

Cheers

Doc


Keith G October 3rd 07 12:32 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a
shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items
of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?)
simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I
switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked
differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.



Agreed. When I mentioned the comparison here a while back there was a
reaction from someone who said the internal attenuation in the Marantz
wouldn't be doing the output any favours, but just using it normally (no
attenuation at all) on various kit combinations never once led me to
believe the sound was discernably different to the AS CDP or any of the
DVDPs I use to play CDs!!




Keith G October 3rd 07 12:40 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 3 Oct, 13:16, "Keith G" wrote:
"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote

Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a
shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items
of
kit.


Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never
come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it
their
price level.

Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause
buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?)
simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I
switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked
differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....


Thats very interesting. Thanks for the detailed reply Keith.
I myself have a Liteon DVD/HDD doing the CD player MP3 stuff and I
really couldn't tell much difference (if any) over my Marantz. The
only reason I kept it was because it was a CD recorder which I
sometimes use when I dust down some old vinyl and decide I want it
'more readily available'

Cheers



See my reply to Don - when I play a CD these days (don't do it often but
I have a 'spate' from time to time) I do so on a Pioneer DVD player
which doubles up for movies (unsurprisingly). If anyone asked me what
was the *best* player I have here I would have to say there's really no
difference between them but, for some strange reason, I always find the
Panasonic DMR-ES15 DVD Single Disc Recorder particularly pleasing to
use - maybe it's the superquick drawer...??

(Usually, if a bit of kit stands out above the others it's because it's
a little bit louder!! :-)




Eeyore October 3rd 07 12:54 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 


Malcolm H wrote:

Thanks for that. I did try to download it but my IE7 didn't like the web
site - refused to do the download!


Suggestion. Use a decent browser !

You could worse than use a decent newsreader too. OE is rubbish.

Graham



jasee October 3rd 07 01:32 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a
shame that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their
items of kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never
come across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth
it their price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause
buttons to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and
copy thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from
one player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?)
simply couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when
I switched back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used -
no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked
differences that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt
it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.


If there are any links to any costing £1.75, I'd be grateful to know :-)
I'd seriously like to find a cheap replacement for my original philips (as
the display is knackered)
For a mains operated machine, it's cheaper to by a cheap DVD player, though
it seems rather a waste.

Some people still think theres some difference:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=280157210823

Standing at £2,125 at the moment with 29 eager bidders! Amazing!



Halmyre October 3rd 07 02:29 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
In article ,
says...
Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a
shame that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their
items of kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!

Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never
come across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth
it their price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause
buttons to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and
copy thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from
one player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?)
simply couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when
I switched back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used -
no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked
differences that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt
it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.


If there are any links to any costing £1.75, I'd be grateful to know :-)
I'd seriously like to find a cheap replacement for my original philips (as
the display is knackered)
For a mains operated machine, it's cheaper to by a cheap DVD player, though
it seems rather a waste.

Some people still think theres some difference:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=280157210823

Standing at £2,125 at the moment with 29 eager bidders! Amazing!




I like this guy's question:

"please confirm the shipping cost to Hanoi, Vietnam. Can I pay and my
friend visit you to take it on my behalf ?"

--
Halmyre

What in Swansea are going on here?!

Serge Auckland October 3rd 07 02:38 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!


Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?) simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com


Back from my hols....

Completely agree. Once the performance betters the threshold of perception,
then all players will sound the same. Thresholds of perception have been
well recognised, at least amongst audio professionals, for at least 30
years.

S.

--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com



Serge Auckland October 3rd 07 02:43 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
"Keith G" wrote in message
...

"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 3 Oct, 13:16, "Keith G" wrote:
"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote

Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a shame
that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their items of
kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!

Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never come
across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth it their
price level.

Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause buttons
to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and copy
thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from one
player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?) simply
couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when I switched
back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used - no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked differences
that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt it....


Thats very interesting. Thanks for the detailed reply Keith.
I myself have a Liteon DVD/HDD doing the CD player MP3 stuff and I
really couldn't tell much difference (if any) over my Marantz. The
only reason I kept it was because it was a CD recorder which I
sometimes use when I dust down some old vinyl and decide I want it
'more readily available'

Cheers



See my reply to Don - when I play a CD these days (don't do it often but I
have a 'spate' from time to time) I do so on a Pioneer DVD player which
doubles up for movies (unsurprisingly). If anyone asked me what was the
*best* player I have here I would have to say there's really no difference
between them but, for some strange reason, I always find the Panasonic
DMR-ES15 DVD Single Disc Recorder particularly pleasing to use - maybe
it's the superquick drawer...??

(Usually, if a bit of kit stands out above the others it's because it's a
little bit louder!! :-)

One CD player (or indeed any item of equipment) can be preferred over
another for many reasons which have nothing to do with audio performance:-

One player may have a more satisfying open/close mechanism, another may have
button with a better feel, another again may operate faster....lots of
reasons for preferring one player (and paying a premium for) over another.
In my case, if I had to replace my Meridian 206, I would choose another
Meridian for no better reason than to keep the overall system remote control
the same, and not have to have a second unit.

S.



--
http://audiopages.googlepages.com



JohnT October 3rd 07 04:42 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
"jasee" wrote in message
...
Don Pearce wrote:
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 13:16:34 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Dr Hfuhruhurr" wrote


Not that pretty lights bother me (as in I don't need them) its a
shame that AS can't get the same colour displays for each of their
items of kit.

Yes and, if you closely, you will see that the drawer doesn't close
too
prettily either - small details that spoil an otherwise inexpensive
and
useful bit of kit (plays MP3 Cds) that wouldn't take a lot to sort
out!

Oh yeah.
How does it compare with the 63MkII for sound quality? I've never
come across anything that matches those Marantz players for warmth
it their price level.



Using the Marantz' own internal attenuation and juggling pause
buttons to perfectly time align and level match the same CD (CD and
copy thereof) in both players the sound was *indistinguishable* from
one player to the other. A number of different people here (3 or 4?)
simply couldn't tell which player was playing at any time, even when
I switched back and forth (seamlessly) on the various amps I used -
no ifs or
buts - 100%!!

Consequently, I shunted the Marantz out on eBay and the AS CDP now
resides in my overflowing 'spares cupboard'..!!

It's possible, of course, the rest of my kit may have masked
differences that other kit might have shown up but I seriously doubt
it....



Nope, no illusion. All CD players costing more than £1.75 now sound
perfect. There is no such thing as a high end CD player any more.


If there are any links to any costing £1.75, I'd be grateful to know :-)
I'd seriously like to find a cheap replacement for my original philips (as
the display is knackered)
For a mains operated machine, it's cheaper to by a cheap DVD player,
though it seems rather a waste.

Some people still think theres some difference:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=280157210823

Standing at £2,125 at the moment with 29 eager bidders! Amazing!



And it is essential to have an Audio Desk system CD sound improver for only
£320 to go with it. From Russ Andrews, of course, at
http://www.russandrews.com/product.a...YW ZBWGSUGMEH
--

JohnT


Max Demian October 3rd 07 05:14 PM

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"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232

I've had one for over a year now, and I think it's the bees knees.

I haven't noticed any hiss in normal use, but that might depend on what you
listen to with it and the characteristics of the speakers.

One slight niggle is that if you switch the power off immediately after
adjusting the volume, the last volume change isn't remembered - so it could
blare out at you in the morning.

--
Max Demian



Dave Plowman (News) October 3rd 07 05:48 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?


OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html


That is a fix for a different problem. Still necessary, though.


Since you've moved off the thread could you snip the irrelevant stuff in
future? ;-)

--
*It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Don Pearce October 3rd 07 06:09 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 03 Oct 2007 18:48:42 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Yes I noticed that don't know why, my posts are usually ok.. The
quotes it this are correct aren't they?

OE Quotefix would probaly be useful to you.
http://www.snapfiles.com/get/oequotefix.html


That is a fix for a different problem. Still necessary, though.


Since you've moved off the thread could you snip the irrelevant stuff in
future? ;-)


There really wasn't enough of it to bother ;-)

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Paul Heslop October 3rd 07 06:30 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
Max Demian wrote:

"Paul Heslop" wrote in message
...
Malcolm H wrote:

Acoustic Solutions SP101 stereo amplifier £59.99 from Argos - questions:

1. Comments and experiences?
2. Does it have a headphone output?

All comments will be read gratefully.


I've seen a couple of reviews when i was looking for a new amp that
mentioned hiss. This lad's review gives you a rundown of what to
expect, mentioning the headphone socket (full size) and has some
positives aswell as negatives.

http://www.ciao.co.uk/Acoustic_Solut...Review_5617232

I've had one for over a year now, and I think it's the bees knees.

I haven't noticed any hiss in normal use, but that might depend on what you
listen to with it and the characteristics of the speakers.

One slight niggle is that if you switch the power off immediately after
adjusting the volume, the last volume change isn't remembered - so it could
blare out at you in the morning.

--
Max Demian


where were you when I needed you? :O)

--
Paul (We won't die of devotion)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/

Keith G October 3rd 07 07:32 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Don Pearce" wrote


There really wasn't enough of it to bother ;-)



Yes there was - stop arguing!

Now kindly play these clips (about 50 seconds each) pick a 'best' (or
least worst) and comment on them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B.mp3


They are quite different from the usual!!






Don Pearce October 3rd 07 08:04 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:32:15 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


There really wasn't enough of it to bother ;-)



Yes there was - stop arguing!

Now kindly play these clips (about 50 seconds each) pick a 'best' (or
least worst) and comment on them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B.mp3


They are quite different from the usual!!



B sounds like it was recorded through a toilet roll. Definitely the
worst.

A has much more top end, and sounds a little more natural.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G October 3rd 07 08:13 PM

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"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:32:15 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote


There really wasn't enough of it to bother ;-)



Yes there was - stop arguing!

Now kindly play these clips (about 50 seconds each) pick a 'best' (or
least worst) and comment on them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B.mp3


They are quite different from the usual!!



B sounds like it was recorded through a toilet roll. Definitely the
worst.

A has much more top end, and sounds a little more natural.



OK, I'm setting up a (hopefully) better track to record *exactly the
same way* whilst being distracted by the telly with a programme about...

......

dare I say it...??

......

No, I daren't say it...!!

Back soon! :-)




Keith G October 3rd 07 08:49 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:32:15 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:



Now kindly play these clips (about 50 seconds each) pick a 'best' (or
least worst) and comment on them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B.mp3


They are quite different from the usual!!



B sounds like it was recorded through a toilet roll. Definitely the
worst.

A has much more top end, and sounds a little more natural.



OK, same again but longer, 'dual mono' tracks this time with hopefully
more information content and some applause at the end. A and B are still
the same; the recording method is exactly as before but with no
'normalisation' this time, having got the levels better matched this
time:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A2.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B2.mp3


I'll put you fully in the picture after hearing your comments on this
set.




Don Pearce October 3rd 07 09:35 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:49:00 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:


"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 20:32:15 +0100, "Keith G"
wrote:



Now kindly play these clips (about 50 seconds each) pick a 'best' (or
least worst) and comment on them:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B.mp3


They are quite different from the usual!!



B sounds like it was recorded through a toilet roll. Definitely the
worst.

A has much more top end, and sounds a little more natural.



OK, same again but longer, 'dual mono' tracks this time with hopefully
more information content and some applause at the end. A and B are still
the same; the recording method is exactly as before but with no
'normalisation' this time, having got the levels better matched this
time:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A2.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B2.mp3


I'll put you fully in the picture after hearing your comments on this
set.



That's better. B is much better now. It has some sort of interference
buzzing in the background, though. Much nicer bass response, and the
top end is smoother.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Keith G October 3rd 07 10:16 PM

Audio Amp from Argos - questions
 

"Don Pearce" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 3 Oct 2007 21:49:00 +0100, "Keith G"



They are quite different from the usual!!



B sounds like it was recorded through a toilet roll. Definitely the
worst.

A has much more top end, and sounds a little more natural.



OK, same again but longer, 'dual mono' tracks this time with hopefully
more information content and some applause at the end. A and B are
still
the same; the recording method is exactly as before but with no
'normalisation' this time, having got the levels better matched this
time:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20A2.mp3

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/Version%20B2.mp3


I'll put you fully in the picture after hearing your comments on this
set.



That's better. B is much better now. It has some sort of interference
buzzing in the background, though. Much nicer bass response, and the
top end is smoother.



OK Don, you're gonna love this one - there's no vinyl and not a single
valve in it!! :-)

Prompted by summat Arny said, I have hooked up my Fidelios to the
Technics MOSFET amp to 'revisit' them now that there's a lot more bass
coming from them - previously they have sounded crap on any SS amp I
tried! (Far too *quacky*!!).

The setup (which never changed) is as you can see in this pic:

http://www.apah69.dsl.pipex.com/show/RibbonSetup.JPG


The ribbon mic is set back a couple of feet from the speakers in a
'catch-all' position and wasn't moved at all; swapping speakers is no
harder than pressing button A or button B on the power amp!

The Fidelios are (somewhat obvious, I would have thought) A and A2; the
IMFs are B and B2.

The first tracks (A and B) were a *modern* CD which, I think fairly
demonstrates the *slurry* I can get from the IMFs on 'digital' (but not
too 'toiletty' - got to allow for the mic/room here); the A2/B2 tracks
are from a much better (French) 'Test CD'!!

The fact that you reversed your choice reinforces my belief/experience
that the music/medium has a lot do do with choice of amplification and
speakers. Whilst I can and do prefer the sound of the fidelios for a lot
of stuff, they are not as good as the IMFs for the radio when there are
voices - which can still sound 'quacky'!!

All very interesting! (No idea what the buzzing was, btw!)








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