Andre Jute wrote:

STOP RE-NAMING EXISTING THREADS

On Oct 26, 6:04 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:50 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:
[irrelevant stuff deleted]

Please keep this thread in rec.audio.opinion where it belongs. This sort
of material is not appropriate for rec.audio.pro. Thank you.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What is your problem, Scott? This is a thread throwing out an
amplifier design challenge. Don't the pros on RAP design amplifiers?

Andre Jute

A lot of really good designers used to hang here until bombarded with
too much behavior such as you are currently exhibiting. Now most of
them are on privately moderated forums.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

On Oct 27, 6:35 pm, wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:04 pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Oct 26, 6:50 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:
[irrelevant stuff deleted]

Please keep this thread in rec.audio.opinion where it belongs. This sort
of material is not appropriate for rec.audio.pro. Thank you.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What is your problem, Scott? This is a thread throwing out an
amplifier design challenge. Don't the pros on RAP design amplifiers?
Andre Jute

A lot of really good designers used to hang here until bombarded with
too much behavior such as you are currently exhibiting. Now most of
them are on privately moderated forums.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaoshttp://www.bsstudios.com

It is all in the history. Examine the RAT population, and then after/
during the war named after Andre the expansion of moderated forums.
Most have a distinct paranoia of anything resembling him...
cheers,
Douglas

On Oct 27, 8:35 am, wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:04 pm, Andre Jute wrote:

On Oct 26, 6:50 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:
[irrelevant stuff deleted]

Please keep this thread in rec.audio.opinion where it belongs. This sort
of material is not appropriate for rec.audio.pro. Thank you.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What is your problem, Scott? This is a thread throwing out an
amplifier design challenge. Don't the pros on RAP design amplifiers?
Andre Jute

A lot of really good designers used to hang here until bombarded with
too much behavior such as you are currently exhibiting.

You daily bitch-slapped "engineers" who lied about professional
matters? Good golly! Doesn't say much for the quality of contributors
you attracted, or it says a lot for the probity police on your
newsgroup.

That is all I did in the previous thread, lightly whack Poopie
Stevenson for lying about a professional matter for personal reasons,
and Slapdash Krueger and Bluster Pearce ditto for supporting him in
his lie for personal reasons ditto.

I suggest that an idiot like Poopie Stevenson shouting down competent
people is far more likely to drive away designers than me slapping
Poopie down for his crimes against fidelity. I expect most designers
would rather enjoy that.

I also suggest to you that your whining doesn't belong in a thread in
which I set up an amp design challenge. I'm trying to do something
positive, and all we get in the thread from the rest of you
farcatchers is bitching about me, which everyone with half a braincell
must surely know by now I don't even read after the second round in
which the fartcatcher contributes neither techical input nor
entertainment.

Now most of
them are on privately moderated forums.

Maybe they got tired of your fruitless bitching.

Do something useful. If that rude Dutch fellow doesn't take up the
challenge, why don't you? I give it again in full below the signature.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaoshttp://www.bsstudios.com

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

Here's the original challenge, lest it get lost in the noise floor:

On Oct 26, 8:27 am, Chel van Gennip wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
That is why we have this thread, to explain to the three self-styled
"engineers" Graham Stevenson, Arny Krueger and Don Pearce that a Class
A amplifier must have its signal limited or it is no longer a Class A
amplifier. How can any properly educated engineer not know that the
signal in an amplifier class is by necessity limited? Yet those three
signed their names repeatedly to a claim that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s) never cease
conducting under any signal condition."

You really should try to express yourself more clearly. There are
several modes of amplification. In Class A "the output device(s)never
cease conducting" Amplifiers are designed to use one (or more) modes of
amplification. When used outside the specified signal range, the
amplifier wont operate in the designed mode(s) of amplification. e.g. if
you don't supply mains power, none of the output devices will conduct.
Even switched off, and not operating at all, an amplifier designed to
operate in Class A will remain an amplifier desinged to operate in Class A,

Now you're down to pulling the plug to make an absurd misdefinition by
Graham Poopie Stevenson work. That is taking professional solidarity
among "engineers" too far.

But all right, Mijnheer van Gennip, you want to be a slim jannie --and
in English too! So show us how you would design an amplfier either
Class A or with substantial Class A output (i.e. Class AB) in which
"the output device(s)never cease conducting under any signal
condition". Note the important qualification "under any signal
condition". That means exactly what it says in plain English: you
design the amplifier, I choose the signal level to be vastly larger
than the specified bias, then you prove it still operates in Class A.

May you have Pinkerton's Luck. By all means call on the Three Stooges
for help.

Andre Jute
Visit Andre's books at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/THE%20WRITER'S%20HOUSE.html

Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

And

How does it feel to be utterly friendless but for your wet-nurse John,
your damaged acolyte Westiepoo and your array of sockpuppets being
"the commander" and Glassgrey?

One would think that at your stage in life you would be counting (and
spoiling) your grand children rather than fulminating from your dingy
little bed-sit in Ireland about subjects that you clearly do not
understand.

I acknowledge that one can be anything one wants to be when sitting in
front of a keyboard and presenting one's self to the world. But you do
over-reach a bit maybe?

And if one makes a habit as you do of ****ting in the common sandbox,
one gets exactly the respect and adulation one deserves, from exactly
the sorts of people best suited to it.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

In article .com,
wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:04 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
On Oct 26, 6:50 pm, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:
[irrelevant stuff deleted]

Please keep this thread in rec.audio.opinion where it belongs. This sort
of material is not appropriate for rec.audio.pro. Thank you.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

What is your problem, Scott? This is a thread throwing out an
amplifier design challenge. Don't the pros on RAP design amplifiers?

Andre Jute

A lot of really good designers used to hang here until bombarded with
too much behavior such as you are currently exhibiting. Now most of
them are on privately moderated forums.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com



The issue is that this is not a legitimate design discussion, this is a
mindless flame fest. Please keep this trash out of rec.audio.pro. Do
not put rec.audio.pro back in the newsgroups line. It does not belong
there.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Oct 26, 2:38 pm, John Byrns wrote:
In article . com,
Andre Jute wrote:



On Oct 26, 8:27 am, Chel van Gennip wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
That is why we have this thread, to explain to the three self-styled
"engineers" Graham Stevenson, Arny Krueger and Don Pearce that a Class
A amplifier must have its signal limited or it is no longer a Class A
amplifier. How can any properly educated engineer not know that the
signal in an amplifier class is by necessity limited? Yet those three
signed their names repeatedly to a claim that Class A is
an amplification Class in which "the output device(s) never cease
conducting under any signal condition."

You really should try to express yourself more clearly. There are
several modes of amplification. In Class A "the output device(s)never
cease conducting" Amplifiers are designed to use one (or more) modes of
amplification. When used outside the specified signal range, the
amplifier wont operate in the designed mode(s) of amplification. e.g. if
you don't supply mains power, none of the output devices will conduct.
Even switched off, and not operating at all, an amplifier designed to
operate in Class A will remain an amplifier desinged to operate in Class A,

Now you're down to pulling the plug to make an absurd misdefinition by
Graham Poopie Stevenson work. That is taking professional solidarity
among "engineers" too far.

But all right, Mijnheer van Gennip, you want to be a slim jannie --and
in English too! So show us how you would design an amplfier either
Class A or with substantial Class A output (i.e. Class AB) in which
"the output device(s)never cease conducting under any signal
condition". Note the important qualification "under any signal
condition". That means exactly what it says in plain English: you
design the amplifier, I choose the signal level to be vastly larger
than the specified bias, then you prove it still operates in Class A.

Andre, I'm surprised you would give Chel such a trivially easy challenge
to meet. So as not interfere I will save my solution for a later post,
assuming anyone is even interested.

You'd really assume that on a newsgroup called "rec.audio.pro" a dozen
solutions would by now have been volunteered. Instead they've wasted
everyone's time bitching that amp design challenges don't belong on
their newsgroup.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

I wouldn't be so fast in saying it is too easy a challenge. You might
get stuck again with having to tutor some diplomaed quarterwit, as you
did that time poor Pinkerton was dumb enough to announce he would
design a solid state amp that would sound just like a 300B I would
design at the same time. I nearly died of boredom waiting while you
and Patrick gave Pinkerton a crash course that stretched on and on
while yet more and more lacunae in his education became visible --
check in the ill-educated "engineers" thread for an estimate that
electronic engineers receive only 15 hours of education altogether on
amplifier design. (It's offered as an excuse for the incompetence of
Poopie, Slapdash and Bluster, so it might be an underestimate, but
even two or three times that much would still be a low number.)
Pinkostinko's incompetence is being explained before our very eyes --
about forty years too late for Pinko. I have high hopes that this
Dutch fellow might be much more competent; I hold Dutch education,
engineering and graphic arts in the very highest esteem.

Andre Jute
Impedance is futile, you will be simulated into the triode of the
Borg. -- Robert Casey

On Oct 27, 7:35 am, Eeyore
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:

STOP RE-NAMING EXISTING THREADS

Why are you shouting, Poopie? We're not deaf. You may be, but we can
hear you perfectly well.

In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:

blah, blah, blah, blah

Andre, please **** off. You've already ruined one newsgroup for me.

On Oct 27, 8:04 pm, Ralph Barone wrote:
In article .com,
Andre Jute wrote:

blah, blah, blah, blah

Andre, please **** off. You've already ruined one newsgroup for me.

Should I remember you, Ralphie? Did you do something memorable? Or
were you merely a footsoldier of the Magnequest Scum? Or just a
fellowtraveller?

You're the one creating a pointless exchange of flames. I merely
issued an amp design challenge.

Why are you lot on rec.audio.pro so extraordinarily sensitive about a
simple design exercise? There are now probably a dozen messages all
concerned with abusing me -- and none to address the design challenge.

Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

Andre Jute
When I stop smiling...