Andre Jute wrote:
Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

You certainly don't. It's just annoying. Your choise of language too.
Others are so right; threads like this is what kills usenet.

Seems you're incabable of seeing it yourself, so here's the cardboard
cutout:

It starts with what looks like a serious discussion, then arguments
fail, but the discussion is kept going because people like you won't
give in and stand corrected. Pride or stupidity.. it's a Bit blurred..

The problem is that we check out the discussion, decide to leave it, but
it keeps popping up, so we check again to see if there's useful info.
So, it becomes a time waster.

Your choise of language makes people resent you, but instead of
adjusting and writing only where you (may) have knowledge, people like
you keeps on and on and on... Where's the good contacts? Gone..

I write from RAP, where quite a nof discussions keeps going because
people don't agree - but they have knowledge, and at some point agree on
parts and leave be the rest, reflect, study, test/measure et al.., and
maybe come back to renew the discussion. It's called Mature Behaviour.

It's already been suggested taking this discussion to some pure opinion
group, so please do.

--
Kind regards,
Mogens V.


"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former"
-- Albert Einstein.

"Peter Wieck" wrote in message
oups.com...
And

How does it feel to be utterly friendless but for your wet-nurse John,
your damaged acolyte Westiepoo and your array of sockpuppets being
"the commander" and Glassgrey?

One would think that at your stage in life you would be counting (and
spoiling) your grand children rather than fulminating from your dingy
little bed-sit in Ireland about subjects that you clearly do not
understand.

I'm unsure that a person with Jute's err preferences would ever have
descendents...

"Mogens V." wrote:

Andre Jute wrote:
Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

You certainly don't. It's just annoying. Your choise of language too.
Others are so right; threads like this is what kills usenet.

Seems you're incabable of seeing it yourself, so here's the cardboard
cutout:

It starts with what looks like a serious discussion, then arguments
fail, but the discussion is kept going because people like you won't
give in and stand corrected. Pride or stupidity.. it's a Bit blurred..

The problem is that we check out the discussion, decide to leave it, but
it keeps popping up, so we check again to see if there's useful info.
So, it becomes a time waster.

Your choise of language makes people resent you, but instead of
adjusting and writing only where you (may) have knowledge, people like
you keeps on and on and on... Where's the good contacts? Gone..

I write from RAP, where quite a nof discussions keeps going because
people don't agree - but they have knowledge, and at some point agree on
parts and leave be the rest, reflect, study, test/measure et al.., and
maybe come back to renew the discussion. It's called Mature Behaviour.

It's already been suggested taking this discussion to some pure opinion
group, so please do.

I have trimmed rec.audio.pro from my other responses but 'Andre Jute' keeps
adding it back.

I'd suggest a complaint to his ISP/news provider but the oily slime uses Google
(who don't care) via an anonymising service to hide his real provider.

On the subject of which, I'm increasingly of the mind that Google posts should
be barred from Usenet. At least 95% of them are invariably garbage.

Graham

Eeyore wrote:


On the subject of which, I'm increasingly of the mind that Google posts should
be barred from Usenet. At least 95% of them are invariably garbage.

That'll confuse a lot of people who think Google Groups *is* usenet :-)
(but it still looks like a good idea)


--
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On Oct 28, 6:19 am, "Arny Krueger" wrote:

I'm unsure that a person with Jute's err preferences would ever have
descendents...


He has claimed both wife and son. I would expect or at least hope that
even as spavined a specimen as Andre would not lie about such core
issues.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

Poor, poor, Poopie. Now he cuts of my home newsgroup, RAT, in the hope
that I won't see what he says about me and kick his butt for it some
more. And in this instance he deserves to have his butt kicked over
the houses and back again: Poopie's "final solution" to losing so many
arguments with me is to have my net access withdrawn; it is his
admission that he is a permanent loser. That was also the "solution"
of the Magnequest Scum, and see what happened to them.

Yo, Poopie, you were caught holding yourself up an expert on a subject
you knew nothing about, you got your butt kicked for it, so stop
whining.

Poopie's assault on freedom of speech, and his admission that he is a
permanent loser (because he is ignorant and clumsy), are both below.
I'll deal with Mogens Five separately.

Andre Jute
Zero tolerance for the enemies of fidelity

On Oct 28, 12:50 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
"Mogens V." wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

You certainly don't. It's just annoying. Your choise of language too.
Others are so right; threads like this is what kills usenet.

Seems you're incabable of seeing it yourself, so here's the cardboard
cutout:

It starts with what looks like a serious discussion, then arguments
fail, but the discussion is kept going because people like you won't
give in and stand corrected. Pride or stupidity.. it's a Bit blurred..

The problem is that we check out the discussion, decide to leave it, but
it keeps popping up, so we check again to see if there's useful info.
So, it becomes a time waster.

Your choise of language makes people resent you, but instead of
adjusting and writing only where you (may) have knowledge, people like
you keeps on and on and on... Where's the good contacts? Gone..

I write from RAP, where quite a nof discussions keeps going because
people don't agree - but they have knowledge, and at some point agree on
parts and leave be the rest, reflect, study, test/measure et al.., and
maybe come back to renew the discussion. It's called Mature Behaviour.

It's already been suggested taking this discussion to some pure opinion
group, so please do.

I have trimmed rec.audio.pro from my other responses but 'Andre Jute' keeps
adding it back.

I'd suggest a complaint to his ISP/news provider but the oily slime uses Google
(who don't care) via an anonymising service to hide his real provider.

On the subject of which, I'm increasingly of the mind that Google posts should
be barred from Usenet. At least 95% of them are invariably garbage.

Graham

In article . com,
Andre Jute wrote:
Poor, poor, Poopie. Now he cuts of my home newsgroup, RAT, in the hope
that I won't see what he says about me and kick his butt for it some
more. And in this instance he deserves to have his butt kicked over
the houses and back again: Poopie's "final solution" to losing so many
arguments with me is to have my net access withdrawn; it is his
admission that he is a permanent loser. That was also the "solution"
of the Magnequest Scum, and see what happened to them.

Yo, Poopie, you were caught holding yourself up an expert on a subject
you knew nothing about, you got your butt kicked for it, so stop
whining.

Poopie's assault on freedom of speech, and his admission that he is a
permanent loser (because he is ignorant and clumsy), are both below.
I'll deal with Mogens Five separately.

Andre Jute
Zero tolerance for the enemies of fidelity

On Oct 28, 12:50 pm, Eeyore
wrote:
"Mogens V." wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

You certainly don't. It's just annoying. Your choise of language too.
Others are so right; threads like this is what kills usenet.

Seems you're incabable of seeing it yourself, so here's the cardboard
cutout:

It starts with what looks like a serious discussion, then arguments
fail, but the discussion is kept going because people like you won't
give in and stand corrected. Pride or stupidity.. it's a Bit blurred..

The problem is that we check out the discussion, decide to leave it, but
it keeps popping up, so we check again to see if there's useful info.
So, it becomes a time waster.

Your choise of language makes people resent you, but instead of
adjusting and writing only where you (may) have knowledge, people like
you keeps on and on and on... Where's the good contacts? Gone..

I write from RAP, where quite a nof discussions keeps going because
people don't agree - but they have knowledge, and at some point agree on
parts and leave be the rest, reflect, study, test/measure et al.., and
maybe come back to renew the discussion. It's called Mature Behaviour.

It's already been suggested taking this discussion to some pure opinion
group, so please do.

I have trimmed rec.audio.pro from my other responses but 'Andre Jute' keeps
adding it back.

I'd suggest a complaint to his ISP/news provider but the oily slime uses Google
(who don't care) via an anonymising service to hide his real provider.

On the subject of which, I'm increasingly of the mind that Google posts should
be barred from Usenet. At least 95% of them are invariably garbage.

Graham




Guys, please. ALL of you keep this trash out of rec.audio.pro. None of
it belongs here. You are ALL perpetuating this mindless thread.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

On Oct 28, 11:01 am, "Mogens V."
wrote:
Andre Jute wrote:
Why do I frighten you guys on rec.audio.pro so badly?

You certainly don't. It's just annoying. Your choise of language too.
Others are so right; threads like this is what kills usenet.

Not at all. When correctly handled, threads like this *challenge to an
amp design contest* build newsgroups by strengthening readers' faith
in the professional abilities of participants.

Clowns like you wreck newsgroups by wittering on about personalities
rather than principles.

I made a design challenge. The only post about the design challenge in
this thread, now two dozen messages strong, came from John Byrns of
RAT, smacking his chops at the prospect of a juicy technical thread,
wondering if I hadn't made it too easy for you guys.

All the rest, over twenty messages including yours, simply abuse me.

Seems you're incabable of seeing it yourself, so here's the cardboard
cutout:

Sure. Neddy explanations are always welcome and I'm not too proud to
accept them from an expert. So let's see if you know what you're
talking about:

It starts with what looks like a serious discussion, then arguments
fail, but the discussion is kept going because people like you won't
give in and stand corrected. Pride or stupidity.. it's a Bit blurred..

First of all, the arguments that failed in the recent threads belonged
to Poopie Stevenson, Slapdash Krueger, and Bluster Pearce. My
arguments forced Poopie Stevenson to make public retraction again and
again. So how can you say "people like you won't give in and stand
corrected". I won the argument long since, I do not "stand corrected",
there is nothing for me to "give in" about. Instead, Poopie Stevenson
(and now you) whine on and on about it.

Then some rude Dutch fellow claims that I lost the argument because
the plug can be pulled on the amp and then all bets are off. Gee,
****, that's a kindergarten sophistry, not a "professional" argument.

So, keeping it professional, I challenged him to show me a circuit in
which a Class A amp keeps conducting "under any signal condition".

The Dutch clown hasn't been heard from since. None of you so-called
professionals have stepped up to take up the challenge in his place.
Instead you abuse me for showing up your champion as a fool and a
jerk.

The problem is that we check out the discussion, decide to leave it, but
it keeps popping up, so we check again to see if there's useful info.
So, it becomes a time waster.

Learn to use a killfile. Surely, if you claim to be an engineering
professional, a menu choice of whose posts to ignore should not be
beyond you.

Your choise of language makes people resent you, but instead of
adjusting and writing only where you (may) have knowledge, people like
you keeps on and on and on... Where's the good contacts? Gone..

First of all, a professional engineer would spell "choice" with a "c",
not "choise" as you have it.

Secondly, why should I care **** if inferior people like Poopie,
Slapdash and Bluster, and now you Mogens Five, resent me? On this
evidence you clearly don't know anything I want to know and you're
more interested in fighting a flame war in which, equally clearly, I
shall wipe you, than in disccussing technical matters of interest to
me.

Sorry for my mistake in thinking that recreational audio professionals
(rec.audio.pro) are interested in noise reduction!

Thirdly, I do actually "have knowledge" on this subject. That is why
the entire tier of stars on my own homebase, RAT, supported me on
this, and why Poopie Stevenson was forced to retract his erroneous
statement.

Finally -- just how many stupidities can even you get into one short
paragraph? -- I don't "keep on an on"; you have written to and about
me and I answer you. What you want is for me to back away and let your
grossly inaccurate and offensive witterings stand without challenge. I
don't think so.

I write from RAP, where quite a nof discussions keeps going because
people don't agree - but they have knowledge, and at some point agree on
parts and leave be the rest, reflect, study, test/measure et al.., and
maybe come back to renew the discussion. It's called Mature Behaviour.

Then why don't you practice Mature Behaviour instead of provoking me
with a personal attack: "people like you" when I've never been on your
quite clearly wretched newsgroup before? If you blame me for all the
ills of a sick newsgroup, don't I have a right to respond? You should
have thought of that before you hit the keyboard, shouldn't you,
Five?

It's already been suggested taking this discussion to some pure opinion
group, so please do.

How is a principle of physics a matter of "pure opinion"? Perhaps you
should read the threads you object to, or just the orignal text of the
challenge, before you start whining about it.

--
Kind regards,

Nothing kind about a personal attack.

Mogens V.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity,
and I'm not sure about the former"
-- Albert Einstein.

What stands is that I challenged a member of RAP to prove a statement
he made repeatedly by designing an amp that would operate as specified
under the parameters he claims are valid. In return we have seen zero
technical points and about twenty abusive messages.

Hardly "professional".

Andre Jute
Visit Jute on Amps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

On 28 Oct, 10:42, Andre Jute wrote:


Clowns like you wreck newsgroups by wittering on about personalities
rather than principles.


Poopie Stevenson, Slapdash Krueger, and Bluster Pearce.
Poopie Stevenson , Poopie Stevenson
rude Dutch fellow
The Dutch clown
Poopie,
Slapdash and Bluster
Poopie Stevenson

not that there is anything wrong with personal attacks.

But all right, Mijnheer van Gennip, you want to be a slim jannie --and
in English too! So show us how you would design an amplfier either
Class A or with substantial Class A output (i.e. Class AB) in which
"the output device(s)never cease conducting under any signal
condition". Note the important qualification "under any signal
condition". That means exactly what it says in plain English: you
design the amplifier, I choose the signal level to be vastly larger
than the specified bias, then you prove it still operates in Class A.

So, drive the amplifier outside its design parameters? It sounds like you
are parsing semantics here. In a formal debate, one might lose points for
failing to say "the output device(s)never cease conducting under any signal
condition /within its rated parameters/". But in a newsgroup, it isn't often
clear when the formal rules are switched on or off. It seems people
arbitrarily like to switch them on and off for their own benefit.