"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

The Boss is BACK!!!

Where have you been?

On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, Andre Jute wrote:
wrote:
Andre-

One, I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

Nah, anonymous "emmaco", you didn't get sucked in, you read the
headline, misunderstood it, and without discovering the facts dived
into the staked pit face-first, fully justifying the Time Magazine
rhetorical question, "Why are engineers the ugliest people in the
world?"

In my career I've managed a couple of hundred audio engineers ranging
from superb to poor. Each has had unique skills and abilities, and I
always thought it was my responsibility to provide an environment
appropriate to bring out their best. Collectively they have done very
specials things on billions of dollars of projects, including
specialty component designs. Every system reflects a bit of the
character of its designer.

So why don't you tell me your name so I can check your claims? This is
the third time of asking, and still no name, only anonymous bragging.

I once worked with a guy that couldn't get his EPSON printer to work
with his computer- he spent literally hundreds of hours perplexed over
the problem, including sending the printer back to Japan. Turned out
it was a bad cable he had hand made. What an idiot!

So you say. I might say he's a perfectionist. I once spent several
hundred hours rewriting 43 thick volumes of instructions for an early
computer that irritated me by their obscure prolixity into a single
slender volume; my obsessively fat-pared version was so much more
effective, the manufacturer gave it way with the computer.

His name was Dick Heyser,

It figures that a jumped-up, self-important bureaucrat like you would
call Dick Heyser "an idiot".

a name you should know if you have any
pretense of being in this business.

I'm not in your business except peripherally, thought it is true that
to those with terminal cases of inferiority complex, like you, I seem
to leave hairy footprints.

But in this instance I merely objected to people who call themselves
engineers lying about physics, and of course I object to blustering
fools like you trying to protect them by swingeing attacks on me.

Besides reprogramming America's
satellites in orbit, he spent this spare time inventing Time Delay
Spectrometry, the TEF analyzer, writing for Audio Magazine, and his
created own math transform. Smartest guy I've ever met.

Make up your mind, will you? Just now you called Heyser "an idiot".

There's a
reason the highest honor the Audio Engineering Society named their
award after him.

Indeed; those guys got that one right.

I can't help but think you've never experienced working on an
engineering and production team

You're wrong. But then your unfounded and unproven assumptions about
so much else are so invariably wrong, I've given up expecting sense
from you, anonymous "emmaco".

and likely never will with your
issues,

Do you know, anonymous "emmaco", in another of my professions they
will drum you out of the profession for snap diagnoses on zero
evidence such as you are so fond of.

clearly having nothing to do with providing the world with
better audio.

That's a matter of opinion. My netsitehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
comes rather well recommended by people who aren't afraid to sign
their own names:
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

Leading me to ask once more, who are you, anonymous "emmacocao"?

If you don't know of what you speak,

You have failed to prove a single element of which I spoke in
ignorance, whereas we see, again in this post, that you vomit out
opinions without foundation, without adducing argument, without
reason. Hey, sonny, an engineer might be no more than mechanical
appendix to science, a sort of jumped-up handyman, except not so
versatile as a real craftsman, but that doesn't relieve you of the
necessity of observing and respecting scientific method, in particular
the rules of proof. If you're looking for a digestible introduction to
scientific method, let me recommend to you the books of Karl Popper.

it may be best to shut your pie
hole.

What did you say your name was again, anonymous "emmaco"? Lysenko?
Will the jackboots come for me in the night for contradicting you? I
have news for you, sonny: sovereign governments, including the
apartheid government, eminently competent at violence, sent assassins
after me, and I returned one lot maimed for life as a message not to
**** with me, the next lot in boxes, and followed that up with a
threat to the government minister who sent them (I thought it amusing
to do it on Chrismas morning) that had him interrupting my mother's
holiday lunch to beg for the lives of his family. Squadrons of little
pompass engineers (holy ****, engineers, guys with protectors and
coloured pencils in their pockets!) don't cause the slightest shiver
up my backbone.

Or in your case, your keyboard.

My keyboard is definitely mightier than the sword, as I just
demonstrated.

Unless you plan on apologizing
to those you've insulted first.

Yes, I understand. If I grovel and crawl to the "engineers", among
whom I have now firmly placed you, I can spout any old crap, and you
guys will gather round and shout down anyone who contradicts me.

No thanks, I don't need that sort of pernicious "solidarity".

Unless you plan on apologizing
to those you've insulted first.

Furthermore, this is where we came in, where you lied that I offended
all engineers, whereas, as I have told you three times already, you
functional illiterate, I insulted only three particular "engineers",
whom I named and apostrophized to distinguish them from the many sound
engineers I know, and now you, of course, for obvious cause, because
you are thick and obdurate and offensive and stupid and illiterate.

I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

You don't have what it takes to enter rational discussion. You don't
even have the balls or the wit to conduct a minor flame war, anonymous
"emmacopout".

I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

Run, rabbit, run.

Flicked off my thumb like a piece of snot.

Unsigned out of contempt

PS Jesus Christ! Is this uncomprehending twit anonymous "emmaco" the
best champion you guys on rec.audio.pro can put forward for the
"honour" of engineers? What are you professionals at, then? Lying,
simpering and expecting unearned flattery?

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- TimeMagazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

wrote:

The Boss is BACK!!!

You mean the ****WIT.

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

wrote:

The Boss is BACK!!!

You mean the HORSE'S ASS.

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

On Nov 1, 1:57 am, wrote:
The Boss is BACK!!!

Where have you been?

Halloween and the tax accounting deadline coincide here for a good
reason: they are both inventions of the devil. Lawyers and accountants
are such a waste of creative time, or drinking time. Even picking your
nose is better use of time.

So I buggered off to dine at The Snug in Bantry, listed in John McK's
Bridgestone Guide as "best in Ireland"; he's another regular there. I
was wondering about making a little programme about eating in a
traditional Irish pub when my witty number one son said, "Hardly a
traditional Irish pub, Dad. You're eating duck a la orange. Shall I
ask in the kitchen if there is much call for duck with boiled
cabbage?" My family decided that even I couldn't make their menu sound
like traditional Irish pub food. These kids today don't understand
about getting a week of free meals in defiance of the cholesterol
police. I used to eat there about twenty or thirty times a year until
a couple of years ago and when the music festival was on had a
permanent table. When Sir John Tavener, the composer, ate with me a
few years ago he impressed my other guests by eating the same duck in
orange sauce entirely without aid of cutlery, much to the distress of
the very nice Savile Row suit and white poplin Turnbull and Asser
shirt he wore. (A slightly deaf elderly lawyer who has for half a
century paid for concerts in the art gallery in Cork asked loudly
right next to his keeper's ear, "Does he eat soup too with his
fingers?" John paid him no nevermind except to grab a huge bowl of
boiled potatoes from in front of the lawyer and scoff the lot.)
Afterwards we went across the square to the premiere of his latest
composition (maybe it was Wake up and Die) in St Brendan's; when John
tried to embrace the cellist, Alban Berg, I think, the cellist,
probably thinking of his dry-cleaning bill, reared away. The
impresario tried to blame me for delivering an inebriated composer but
i whispered that my wife done it, and the impresario came to his
senses and muttered no more about it.

Andre Jute
"I was at a board meeting for the LA Chapter of the Audio Engineering
Society last night on XM Satellite radio audio and data transmission.
Sadly, we missed you there, and at the SMPTE and Acoustical Society
recent meetings as well. Everyone was asking, 'Where is that wonderful
Andre Jute? The world just doesn't rotate without him...'" -- John
Mayberry, Emmaco

On Oct 31, 11:53 pm, Andre Jute wrote:

wrote:
Andre-

One, I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

Nah, anonymous "emmaco", you didn't get sucked in, you read the
headline, misunderstood it, and without discovering the facts dived
into the staked pit face-first, fully justifying the Time Magazine
rhetorical question, "Why are engineers the ugliest people in the
world?"

In my career I've managed a couple of hundred audio engineers ranging
from superb to poor. Each has had unique skills and abilities, and I
always thought it was my responsibility to provide an environment
appropriate to bring out their best. Collectively they have done very
specials things on billions of dollars of projects, including
specialty component designs. Every system reflects a bit of the
character of its designer.

So why don't you tell me your name so I can check your claims? This is
the third time of asking, and still no name, only anonymous bragging.

I once worked with a guy that couldn't get his EPSON printer to work
with his computer- he spent literally hundreds of hours perplexed over
the problem, including sending the printer back to Japan. Turned out
it was a bad cable he had hand made. What an idiot!

So you say. I might say he's a perfectionist. I once spent several
hundred hours rewriting 43 thick volumes of instructions for an early
computer that irritated me by their obscure prolixity into a single
slender volume; my obsessively fat-pared version was so much more
effective, the manufacturer gave it way with the computer.

His name was Dick Heyser,

It figures that a jumped-up, self-important bureaucrat like you would
call Dick Heyser "an idiot".

a name you should know if you have any
pretense of being in this business.

I'm not in your business except peripherally, thought it is true that
to those with terminal cases of inferiority complex, like you, I seem
to leave hairy footprints.

But in this instance I merely objected to people who call themselves
engineers lying about physics, and of course I object to blustering
fools like you trying to protect them by swingeing attacks on me.

Besides reprogramming America's
satellites in orbit, he spent this spare time inventing Time Delay
Spectrometry, the TEF analyzer, writing for Audio Magazine, and his
created own math transform. Smartest guy I've ever met.

Make up your mind, will you? Just now you called Heyser "an idiot".

There's a
reason the highest honor the Audio Engineering Society named their
award after him.

Indeed; those guys got that one right.

I can't help but think you've never experienced working on an
engineering and production team

You're wrong. But then your unfounded and unproven assumptions about
so much else are so invariably wrong, I've given up expecting sense
from you, anonymous "emmaco".

and likely never will with your
issues,

Do you know, anonymous "emmaco", in another of my professions they
will drum you out of the profession for snap diagnoses on zero
evidence such as you are so fond of.

clearly having nothing to do with providing the world with
better audio.

That's a matter of opinion. My netsitehttp://members.lycos.co.uk/fiultra/
comes rather well recommended by people who aren't afraid to sign
their own names:
"wonderfully well written and reasoned information
for the tube audio constructor"
John Broskie TubeCAD & GlassWare
"an unbelievably comprehensive web site
containing vital gems of wisdom"
Stuart Perry Hi-Fi News & Record Review

Leading me to ask once more, who are you, anonymous "emmacocao"?

If you don't know of what you speak,

You have failed to prove a single element of which I spoke in
ignorance, whereas we see, again in this post, that you vomit out
opinions without foundation, without adducing argument, without
reason. Hey, sonny, an engineer might be no more than mechanical
appendix to science, a sort of jumped-up handyman, except not so
versatile as a real craftsman, but that doesn't relieve you of the
necessity of observing and respecting scientific method, in particular
the rules of proof. If you're looking for a digestible introduction to
scientific method, let me recommend to you the books of Karl Popper.

it may be best to shut your pie
hole.

What did you say your name was again, anonymous "emmaco"? Lysenko?
Will the jackboots come for me in the night for contradicting you? I
have news for you, sonny: sovereign governments, including the
apartheid government, eminently competent at violence, sent assassins
after me, and I returned one lot maimed for life as a message not to
**** with me, the next lot in boxes, and followed that up with a
threat to the government minister who sent them (I thought it amusing
to do it on Chrismas morning) that had him interrupting my mother's
holiday lunch to beg for the lives of his family. Squadrons of little
pompass engineers (holy ****, engineers, guys with protectors and
coloured pencils in their pockets!) don't cause the slightest shiver
up my backbone.

Or in your case, your keyboard.

My keyboard is definitely mightier than the sword, as I just
demonstrated.

Unless you plan on apologizing
to those you've insulted first.

Yes, I understand. If I grovel and crawl to the "engineers", among
whom I have now firmly placed you, I can spout any old crap, and you
guys will gather round and shout down anyone who contradicts me.

No thanks, I don't need that sort of pernicious "solidarity".

Unless you plan on apologizing
to those you've insulted first.

Furthermore, this is where we came in, where you lied that I offended
all engineers, whereas, as I have told you three times already, you
functional illiterate, I insulted only three particular "engineers",
whom I named and apostrophized to distinguish them from the many sound
engineers I know, and now you, of course, for obvious cause, because
you are thick and obdurate and offensive and stupid and illiterate.

I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

You don't have what it takes to enter rational discussion. You don't
even have the balls or the wit to conduct a minor flame war, anonymous
"emmacopout".

I'm sorry I got sucked into this thread, so this will be my last
entry into it.

Run, rabbit, run.

Flicked off my thumb like a piece of snot.

Unsigned out of contempt

PS Jesus Christ! Is this uncomprehending twit anonymous "emmaco" the
best champion you guys on rec.audio.pro can put forward for the
"honour" of engineers? What are you professionals at, then? Lying,
simpering and expecting unearned flattery?

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article . com,
Andre Jute wrote:
On Nov 1, 1:57 am, wrote:
The Boss is BACK!!!

Where have you been?

Halloween and the tax accounting deadline coincide here for a good
reason: they are both inventions of the devil. Lawyers and accountants
are such a waste of creative time, or drinking time. Even picking your
nose is better use of time.

Please keep this trash out of rec.audio.pro. Thank you.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

On Oct 31, 9:57 pm, barked:

The Boss is BACK!!!

And so are his trained seals!

Gassy, you are a welcome sight... you mean that Andre is well-and-
truly desperate.

Imagine how unhappy a person he must be that he has to create his
support from whole cloth - as it does not occur naturally.

In all seriousness, Andre should start his own NG: rec.audio.andre-as-
god

He would be free to opine to his heart's content without the slightest
interference from the real world. And his wet nurse, 1.3 sycophants &
sockpuppets and various other castings may worship at his feet without
criticism.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article om,
Peter Wieck wrote:

On Oct 31, 9:57 pm, barked:

The Boss is BACK!!!

And so are his trained seals!

Gassy, you are a welcome sight... you mean that Andre is well-and-
truly desperate.

Imagine how unhappy a person he must be that he has to create his
support from whole cloth - as it does not occur naturally.

In all seriousness, Andre should start his own NG: rec.audio.andre-as-
god

He would be free to opine to his heart's content without the slightest
interference from the real world. And his wet nurse, 1.3 sycophants &
sockpuppets and various other castings may worship at his feet without
criticism.

Why should Andre trouble himself with starting his own newsgroup when he
is free to post here on rec.audio.tubes, he also seems well able to deal
with the constant interference from the "ugly engineers"?


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

On Nov 1, 10:03 am, John Byrns wrote:

Why should Andre trouble himself with starting his own newsgroup when he
is free to post here on rec.audio.tubes, he also seems well able to deal
with the constant interference from the "ugly engineers"?

John, John, John... ever the literalist!

Andre would be infinitely happier if his godhead went unchallenged.

Of course he is free to post here. But I expect even as ironbound an
ego as Andre gets tired of having his face rubbed in his errors,
omissions and general random babblings. Starting his own NG would be a
piece of cake as compared to the efforts he makes in trying to keep up
with his lies and poses in what, five NGs at this moment?

You are his wet-nurse after all, don't you think that your charge
would be happy in a venue where his opinions are valued and his
pontifications are taken as gospel?

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

In article . com,
Peter Wieck wrote:

On Nov 1, 10:03 am, John Byrns wrote:

Why should Andre trouble himself with starting his own newsgroup when he
is free to post here on rec.audio.tubes, he also seems well able to deal
with the constant interference from the "ugly engineers"?

John, John, John... ever the literalist!

Andre would be infinitely happier if his godhead went unchallenged.

Of course he is free to post here. But I expect even as ironbound an
ego as Andre gets tired of having his face rubbed in his errors,
omissions and general random babblings. Starting his own NG would be a
piece of cake as compared to the efforts he makes in trying to keep up
with his lies and poses in what, five NGs at this moment?

You are his wet-nurse after all, don't you think that your charge
would be happy in a venue where his opinions are valued and his
pontifications are taken as gospel?

No, I don't think that, I suspect Andre enjoys the challenge of setting
the "ugly engineers" straight, but that is only my suspicion about how
he feels, hopefully he will chime in with with his actual feelings so
that you don't have think.


Regards,

John Byrns

--
Surf my web pages at, http://fmamradios.com/

"Why are engineers the ugliest people in the world?" --- Time Magazine, was Why are "engineers" so poorly educated?
 

John Byrns wrote:
In article . com,
Peter Wieck wrote:

You are his wet-nurse after all, don't you think that your charge
would be happy in a venue where his opinions are valued and his
pontifications are taken as gospel?

No, I don't think that, I suspect Andre enjoys the challenge of setting
the "ugly engineers" straight, but that is only my suspicion about how
he feels, hopefully he will chime in with with his actual feelings so
that you don't have think.

Just as long as he chimes in someplace OTHER than rec.audio.pro, please.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."