Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

d

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In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Quite interesting given the recent Times report we've been discussing.

Slainte,

Jim

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Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Nice! on both LZ's and your part Shame not enough others have the
wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob
Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album.
IIRC from loudness war discussions, sadly many artists want's that
loudness out of fear of not selling like the competition.
Maybe artists simply suffer from label/producer induced FUD.
Recording/downmix engineers are simply forced, I guess.

A three-headed organization to enforce non-needed-loudness is needed:
For engineers, for artists, and for consumers - if the latter can be
made interested in significant numbers.

"Demand music with true dynamics. Join FOLO - the Fully Open Loudness
Organization - on folo.org"

Ooups.. folo.org is taken by scientology..

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Mogens V.

On Nov 21, 6:27 am, "Mogens V."
wrote:
Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Nice! on both LZ's and your part Shame not enough others have the
wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob
Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album.
IIRC from loudness war discussions, sadly many artists want's that
loudness out of fear of not selling like the competition.
Maybe artists simply suffer from label/producer induced FUD.
Recording/downmix engineers are simply forced, I guess.

A three-headed organization to enforce non-needed-loudness is needed:
For engineers, for artists, and for consumers - if the latter can be
made interested in significant numbers.

"Demand music with true dynamics. Join FOLO - the Fully Open Loudness
Organization - on folo.org"

Ooups.. folo.org is taken by scientology..

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Kind regards,
Mogens V.


a non-profit music industry organization campaigning to give artists
back the choice to release more dynamic records.

http://www.turnmeup.org/

Mogens V. wrote:

Shame not enough others have the
wisdom and power to enforce music with actual dynamics. IIRC, even Bob
Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album.

As famous as Bob Dylan is, he sells peanuts while LZ sells big, round
bales. He's written almost as many songs as he has sold units. (g

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ha
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In article ,
Mogens V. wrote:
IIRC, even Bob Dylan couldn't have his will with his latest album.

I got the idea he was fobbed off with some nonsense about it being down to
digital. Of course it could be he was selectively quoted in the article I
read. But it did go on about 'LP' sound. Which, of course, he'd never hear
in the recording studio anyway.

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To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

There are probably four CD versions of Stairway to Heaven:
The early CD of IV; Remasters; IV Remastered; Mothership.
It would be interesting to compare them all rather than just one.

I wonder if there is a version of III that doesn't sound as if it was
recorded on a portable cassette player in a bathroom.

--
Eiron.

Don Pearce wrote:

Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Interestin, thanks. The Rock around the clock CD box RATCCD001 ... 010 seems
just like transferred - on the average 2.5 dB headroom - but alas with
digital noise reduction overdone. Ah well, mp3'in or wma'ing will take care
of those upper treble oddities. At the retail price it is OK, DKK 149 for
the box.

d


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:22:57 +0000 (GMT), Jim Lesurf
wrote:

In article ,
Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

Quite interesting given the recent Times report we've been discussing.

Slainte,

Jim

That was what prompted me to have a look.

d

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On Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:23:07 -0500, Les Cargill
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
Not all is gloom in the dynamic range midden. I've just been pulling
to pieces a bit of Led Zeppelin to compare a recent CD of LZ IV with
my original vinyl copy. I'm happy to be able to report that the new CD
has hugely *increased* dynamics over the vinyl, and there is no sign
of any mastering engineer making it loud.

It is so nice when the artists have the muscle to stay in charge.

http://81.174.169.10/odds/dynamics

to see what I found.

d


My CD of "Hotel California" likewise has very reasonable dynamics.
It's not even normalized on some songs.

I'm just trying to remember what CD I played the other day which had
one song that didn't reach higher than about -11dB FS. It was meant to
be quiet, and it was.

d

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