Roger Thorpe wrote:
Eiron wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:

concerts) Downloading a high definition "studio master" recording of
the late Mozart symphonies and burning them to DVD-A was an
interesting, if uneconomic experience. Why would you sell a download
at a higher price than the SACD?



Details? Where can you download them and how do you write DVD-A?

My broadband's bandwidth is less than the Amazon/postman solution.

the downloads are from Linn
http://www.linnrecords.com/
they are by the Scottish Chamber Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras.
The files are available as 24/88.2 FLAC and WMA , CD resolution and MP3.
There's a very short sample available for free to test your software and
hardware.
Although it's a modern orchestra (they use modern instruments) the
performance is what I think is called "historically Informed", so not
too much vibrato and a very brisk, exciting approach.
There's a "Messiah" up there that got rave reviews too.

I didn't find the download straightforward because, to download all the
tracks at one click you need to use a download manager. I used
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
but it took me a while to realize that it won't work with Netscape!

To write the DVD-As I used DVD-Audio Solo as an evaluation from
http://www.cirlinca.com/
This part was blissfully easy, there's some freeware around, but I think
that it might be a more difficult operation. I will buy the license,
even if I do no more HD downloads I'll be able to assemble long pieces
at CD resolution.

Thanks.
At least that site showed me where to get a decent surround-sound version
of Tallis's Spem in Alium. My 'Music for Pleasure' version gives me a
headache.
I don't know if the download version is multi-channel but I think I'll
just buy the SACD instead.

--
Eiron.

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:01:39 +0000, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:54:56 +0000, Roger Thorpe
wrote:


Don Pearce wrote:


As far as I can see the sample clips are all MP3 - how do you get to
them in hi-res format? The page I am on is this:

http://www.linnrecords.com/recording...ymphonies.aspx

d

When I look at the page there's a lavender coloured panel with the
different sample rates and the pushbuttons marked "buy now" towards the top.
Roger Thorpe


Yes, I have that - but I don't want to buy, just listen to a sample in
Hi Res. How do I do that?

d

Go to
http://www.linnrecords.com/linn-down...testfiles.aspx
The test files are very short!

Roger

No - absolutely no audible difference between the 16/44.1 and the
24/88.

d
--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:05:15 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Roger Thorpe wrote:
Eiron wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:

concerts) Downloading a high definition "studio master" recording of
the late Mozart symphonies and burning them to DVD-A was an
interesting, if uneconomic experience. Why would you sell a download
at a higher price than the SACD?



Details? Where can you download them and how do you write DVD-A?

My broadband's bandwidth is less than the Amazon/postman solution.

the downloads are from Linn
http://www.linnrecords.com/
they are by the Scottish Chamber Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras.
The files are available as 24/88.2 FLAC and WMA , CD resolution and MP3.
There's a very short sample available for free to test your software and
hardware.
Although it's a modern orchestra (they use modern instruments) the
performance is what I think is called "historically Informed", so not
too much vibrato and a very brisk, exciting approach.
There's a "Messiah" up there that got rave reviews too.

I didn't find the download straightforward because, to download all the
tracks at one click you need to use a download manager. I used
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
but it took me a while to realize that it won't work with Netscape!

To write the DVD-As I used DVD-Audio Solo as an evaluation from
http://www.cirlinca.com/
This part was blissfully easy, there's some freeware around, but I think
that it might be a more difficult operation. I will buy the license,
even if I do no more HD downloads I'll be able to assemble long pieces
at CD resolution.

Thanks.
At least that site showed me where to get a decent surround-sound version
of Tallis's Spem in Alium. My 'Music for Pleasure' version gives me a
headache.
I don't know if the download version is multi-channel but I think I'll
just buy the SACD instead.

Did you hear the R4 edition of "Soul Music" that featured Spem in
Alium? They talked about the ultimate surround sound system. The
singers were miked individually, and there was one loudspeaker per
singer in the listening room. I believe the piece calls for four
groups of four singers - so 16 total. This was done for an exhibition
somewhere. The listener would stand in the room with the 16 "singers"
positioned all the way round. I'd have liked to try that.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:


No - absolutely no audible difference between the 16/44.1 and the
24/88.

d

You might be right, I can convince myself that I can hear a difference,
but until I get round to doing a proper blind test I won't know. That
10 second sample's a bit too short though.
I think that I can hear a difference in the high strings - but that's
exactly where I expect the difference to be. I did compare the SACD of
Dark Side of the Moon with the CD layer, and found that the cymbals
swoosh in a more realistic way, but again that is what I had expected,
and I knew which layer I was hearing.
Perhaps I'm not using a good enough mains cable......
Roger Thorpe

Don Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:05:15 +0000, Eiron wrote:

Roger Thorpe wrote:
Eiron wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:

concerts) Downloading a high definition "studio master" recording of
the late Mozart symphonies and burning them to DVD-A was an
interesting, if uneconomic experience. Why would you sell a download
at a higher price than the SACD?


Details? Where can you download them and how do you write DVD-A?

My broadband's bandwidth is less than the Amazon/postman solution.

the downloads are from Linn
http://www.linnrecords.com/
they are by the Scottish Chamber Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras.
The files are available as 24/88.2 FLAC and WMA , CD resolution and MP3.
There's a very short sample available for free to test your software and
hardware.
Although it's a modern orchestra (they use modern instruments) the
performance is what I think is called "historically Informed", so not
too much vibrato and a very brisk, exciting approach.
There's a "Messiah" up there that got rave reviews too.

I didn't find the download straightforward because, to download all the
tracks at one click you need to use a download manager. I used
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
but it took me a while to realize that it won't work with Netscape!

To write the DVD-As I used DVD-Audio Solo as an evaluation from
http://www.cirlinca.com/
This part was blissfully easy, there's some freeware around, but I think
that it might be a more difficult operation. I will buy the license,
even if I do no more HD downloads I'll be able to assemble long pieces
at CD resolution.
Thanks.
At least that site showed me where to get a decent surround-sound version
of Tallis's Spem in Alium. My 'Music for Pleasure' version gives me a
headache.
I don't know if the download version is multi-channel but I think I'll
just buy the SACD instead.

Did you hear the R4 edition of "Soul Music" that featured Spem in
Alium? They talked about the ultimate surround sound system. The
singers were miked individually, and there was one loudspeaker per
singer in the listening room. I believe the piece calls for four
groups of four singers - so 16 total. This was done for an exhibition
somewhere. The listener would stand in the room with the 16 "singers"
positioned all the way round. I'd have liked to try that.

Yes. That was what prompted me to waste £3 on the EMI 'Classics for
Masochists' version.
One of those cases where you do get what you pay for.

It's eight groups of five singers and originally performed
in surround-sound in 1571.

--
Eiron.

On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:26:52 +0000, Roger Thorpe
wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:


No - absolutely no audible difference between the 16/44.1 and the
24/88.

d

You might be right, I can convince myself that I can hear a difference,
but until I get round to doing a proper blind test I won't know. That
10 second sample's a bit too short though.
I think that I can hear a difference in the high strings - but that's
exactly where I expect the difference to be. I did compare the SACD of
Dark Side of the Moon with the CD layer, and found that the cymbals
swoosh in a more realistic way, but again that is what I had expected,
and I knew which layer I was hearing.
Perhaps I'm not using a good enough mains cable......
Roger Thorpe

There is no reason why any sound in the audible range (and that
includes the high strings) would sound any different under 24/88 than
16/44.1 They will both be reproduced identically provided they haven't
been manipulated in some way.

As for DSOTM, I haven't heard the SACD version, but anecdotally I
believe it is remastered, if not actually remixed from the CD version,
so it would be no surprise that it would sound different.

Go for the mains cable though - definitely better, particularly if you
choose the plug colour to suit the music...

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Roger Thorpe wrote:

I think that I can hear a difference in the high strings - but that's
exactly where I expect the difference to be. I did compare the SACD of
Dark Side of the Moon with the CD layer, and found that the cymbals
swoosh in a more realistic way, but again that is what I had expected,
and I knew which layer I was hearing.

If you take the analogue SACD output from DSotM and digitize it in 16/44.1,
then write it to a CD, it sounds just like the SACD layer, not the CD layer.

--
Eiron.

On Mar 4, 10:21*am, (Don Pearce) wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:05:15 +0000, Eiron wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:
Eiron wrote:
Roger Thorpe wrote:

concerts) Downloading a high definition "studio master" recording of
the late Mozart symphonies and burning them to DVD-A was an
interesting, if uneconomic experience. Why would you sell a download
at a higher price than the SACD?

Details? Where can you download them and how do you write DVD-A?

My broadband's bandwidth is less than the Amazon/postman solution.

the downloads are from Linn
http://www.linnrecords.com/
they are by the Scottish Chamber Orchestra conducted by Charles Mackerras.
The files are available as 24/88.2 FLAC and WMA , CD resolution and MP3..
There's a very short sample available for free to test your software and
hardware.
Although it's a modern orchestra (they use modern instruments) the
performance is what I think is called "historically Informed", so not
too much vibrato and a very brisk, exciting approach.
There's a "Messiah" up there that got rave reviews too.

I didn't find the download straightforward because, to download all the
tracks at one click you need to use a download manager. I used
http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
but it took me a while to realize that it won't work with Netscape!

To write the DVD-As I used DVD-Audio Solo as an evaluation from
http://www.cirlinca.com/
This part was blissfully easy, there's some freeware around, but I think
that it might be a more difficult operation. I will buy the license,
even if I do no more HD downloads I'll be able to assemble long pieces
at CD resolution.

Thanks.
At least that site showed me where to get a decent surround-sound version
of Tallis's Spem in Alium. My 'Music for Pleasure' version gives me a
headache.
I don't know if the download version is multi-channel but I think I'll
just buy the SACD instead.

Did you hear the R4 edition of "Soul Music" that featured Spem in
Alium? They talked about the ultimate surround sound system. The
singers were miked individually, and there was one loudspeaker per
singer in the listening room. I believe the piece calls for four
groups of four singers - so 16 total.

it's in 40 parts in fact; eight choirs each with 5 parts.

Robert

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 02:52:38 -0800 (PST), RobertL
wrote:


Did you hear the R4 edition of "Soul Music" that featured Spem in
Alium? They talked about the ultimate surround sound system. The
singers were miked individually, and there was one loudspeaker per
singer in the listening room. I believe the piece calls for four
groups of four singers - so 16 total.

it's in 40 parts in fact; eight choirs each with 5 parts.

Thanks. So either I mis-remember the programme, or they cut it back a
bit to make it easier to do.

d

--
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

Don Pearce wrote:


There is no reason why any sound in the audible range (and that
includes the high strings) would sound any different under 24/88 than
16/44.1 They will both be reproduced identically provided they haven't
been manipulated in some way.

You say that but...
To my mech eng mind 44.1 kHz doesn't seem enough to sample a 20kHz
signal properly. Now I haven't read it up completely, but my
understanding is that the brick wall filter reconstructs the original
signal from the sum and difference that I would expect to result from a
sampling rate close to double the signal (is that right?). I'm not
confident that there is such an ideal filter, and systems such as legato
link seem to have none. I haven't managed to find out how upsampling
DACs do the interpolation yet, but they might seem to be a Good Thing.
Of course this is all a bit abstract really since I don't think that my
hearing goes much beyond 16kHz.
At the very worst I can console myself that I did need a new CD machine
(the old one became too choosy about it's discs) so I haven't wasted all
my money on self delusion!
Roger