"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Iain Churches wrote:
Presumably by a naive audience.

AES European convention. Amsterdam IIRC.
You can't get less naive than that.

The clarinet is pretty well the least
demanding instrument of all for this sort of test.

Get away!You don't say! Do you think
John Bowers didn't know that? :-)

So as I said the audience was naive if they gave him a round of applause
rather than a wry chuckle. Of course I forgot you only move in 'polite'
circles. ;-)

Yes. I take it you are not a member of the AES:-))

But this interesting personal interlude made a very
good introduction to an impressive demonstration
of some very good loudspeakers.

Not denying they make good speakers. But a demonstration using something
more taxing have been even more impressive.

You miss the point. Most manufacturers start their
demonstration off with an introductory talk about
design philosophy etc. John just came on the stage
with a clarinet. This was an innovative way to start
what turned out to be a very good demonstration
which many people still remember and talk about.

A much more severe test would be if he'd simply been talking. But then
that wouldn't have sold his product...

Yes a speech test with music studio monitors would have been
novel to say the least. There would probably have been a rush
for the canteen - for the last remaining slices of Dutch apple cake.

I take it by your reference to 'studio monitors' that you think speech
reproduction unimportant?

No of course not. But the speakers were there to demonstrate
large format orchestral recordings with large dynamic, and that
is what people wanted to hear.

And a solo clarinet hardly is a test of any of
the other parameters you'd need for those anyway.

As I said, you missed the point. This was John's way of
introducing himself and his company's products. He got a
very interestig demonstration off to a good start.

Since the 1980s. B+W monitors have been the loudspeaker
of choice of major classical labels. John Bowers certainly
knew what he was doing.

I think you're exaggerating again.

So you don't think he knew what he was doing?

He led a company which in a short space of time became
one of the most highly regarded speaker manufacturers.


Iain

Yeah, seen that one ages ago.

It was quite interesting. It was that long ago now, that
I can't remember whether they concluded that the expensive
speakers were best. ISTR they did.


Martin

"N_Cook" wrote in message


Interesting idea , acoustic guitar+singer recorded
professionally and then played back in front of a couple
of pairs of ears via 2 different pairs of speakers , in
turn, driven from the same amp and also the live
performer again, for 3 way comparison.
What did the human ears detect, so readily, to
distinguish the live performance?

http://gadgetshow.five.tv/jsp/5gsmai...6&pageid=1287&
show=s8e9&section=Features

This is one of those tests that is only interesting if a no differences
result is obtained using sensitive listeners. Any of a million likely
screw-ups, many obvious and some subtle, will give a positive result for
differences.

But there's no way that this particular test can have anything but positive
results, as what the listeners heard via the electronic path contained
doubled doses of room acoustics.

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on TV.

On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on TV.

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is below
average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

Cheers,
Pete.

"Pete Wilcox" wrote in message
news:Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire
On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an
IQ test, let alone advertising that you screwed up in
such an obvious way on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

I became acutely aware of that when I served in the U.S. Army. Many people
in the middle class are blithely unaware of the fact that almost everybody
they encounter has an IQ 100. I sure was.

In article Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire, Pete Wilcox
scribeth thus

On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on TV.

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is below
average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

As little as that eh?...
--
Tony Sayer

"Jamie" t
wrote in message
Pete Wilcox wrote:


On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking
an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way
on TV.
The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

Cheers,
Pete.

Yes, and most of those are from the US with the "Leave
no child behind act" that we must suffer with now.

I was just talking to a electrical instructor in a trade
school where they were called to a meeting to talk about
the 40+ sensors that had failing grades preventing them
from graduating. After the school's superintendent got
done, they all gave the failing students 60's to allow
graduation.
what kind of stupidity is that?

I remember a Properties of Structural Materials class I took, where I was
the top student of about 25. But I only received a semester grade of 3.6 on
a 4.3 scale. I talked to my advisor about this, and he said to remember that
sometimes the instructor is grading himself.

Pete Wilcox wrote:


On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:

Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking an IQ test, let
alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way on TV.

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is
below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

Cheers,
Pete.

Yes, and most of those are from the US with the "Leave no child behind
act" that we must suffer with now.

I was just talking to a electrical instructor in a trade school where
they were called to a meeting to talk about the 40+ sensors that had
failing grades preventing them from graduating.
After the school's superintendent got done, they all gave the failing
students 60's to allow graduation.

what kind of stupidity is that?

http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"

On Tue, 27 May 2008, tony sayer wrote:

In article Pine.GSO.4.60.0805272118540.27281@squire, Pete Wilcox
scribeth thus

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire human race is below
average intelligence...

As little as that eh?...

At least!!!

Cheers,
Pete.

Arny Krueger wrote:

"Jamie" t
wrote in message

Pete Wilcox wrote:


On Tue, 27 May 2008, Arny Krueger wrote:


Simply setting up a test this stupid is like flunking
an IQ test, let alone
advertising that you screwed up in such an obvious way
on TV.

The depressing fact is that 50 per cent of the entire
human race is below average intelligence...

ducks and runs...

Cheers,
Pete.


Yes, and most of those are from the US with the "Leave
no child behind act" that we must suffer with now.

I was just talking to a electrical instructor in a trade
school where they were called to a meeting to talk about
the 40+ sensors that had failing grades preventing them
from graduating. After the school's superintendent got
done, they all gave the failing students 60's to allow
graduation.
what kind of stupidity is that?


I remember a Properties of Structural Materials class I took, where I was
the top student of about 25. But I only received a semester grade of 3.6 on
a 4.3 scale. I talked to my advisor about this, and he said to remember that
sometimes the instructor is grading himself.


Hmm, I thought I canceled that message due a miss placed word "Sensor",
should be "Senior".
Oh well.
Well, I feel sorry for the students that really do work at it and
deserved what the work force should be accepting out there over what is
being pushed out on the public..

It may not be evident at the moment, but I see a major down fall in
our near future..

It may work out in the end sense they're those that still believe in
education (very few) how ever, they could be the models of our future
where we now have to many (Dumb)chiefs and not enough indians. More
indians are also favorable in a society of Mouse and Men.!

It seems that in some societies (no ranks stated here) feel that we
own them something with out offering any thing in return.

-----------------------------
These are the opinions of an old fart (or near it any ways) not to be
taken seriously for any reason other than improving humanity.


http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5"